Hello,
I wanted to point out that there're way more directions where
usability efforts can go to benefit not only small-slow-projects, but
also the major ones.
Better tools for communication (talk pages!), in-place/paragraph
editing, etc - community building isn't just "write an article", it
2008/12/3 Marcus Buck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Mark Wagner hett schreven:
>> You're still missing the point: *HOW* did they fail? What step in the
>> process of creating an article did not happen? Once this is known, it
>> becomes possible to devise a solution; conversely, as long as it it
>> unkno
Yes, indeed. If I recall right, the group started after Delphine posted
her thread "Can anyone really edit Wikipedia?" at Sep. 25.
Delphine, who is surely a veteran wikipedian, failed to edit the article
"Facebook" because she could not find the right place for her edit
through all the template
Hoi,
THANK YOU, yes indeed.
Thanks.
GerardM
2008/12/3 Marcus Buck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Mark Wagner hett schreven:
> > On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 08:10, Gerard Meijssen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Hoi,
> >> They were requested to start a new article.. Nothing fancy.. an article
> with
>
Indeed -- and the [[usability group]] is still the first link on that
page to people working on the topic. But I see only four interested
members there and the page is stale.
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Usability_group
SJ
On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 4:26 PM, Ting Chen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
Mark Wagner hett schreven:
> On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 08:10, Gerard Meijssen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Hoi,
>> They were requested to start a new article.. Nothing fancy.. an article with
>> a few lines of text. The car did not crash, it never got moving.
>>
>
> You're still missing the
On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 08:10, Gerard Meijssen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hoi,
> They were requested to start a new article.. Nothing fancy.. an article with
> a few lines of text. The car did not crash, it never got moving.
You're still missing the point: *HOW* did they fail? What step in the
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phoebe ayers wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 9:46 AM, Brion Vibber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>> We're already aware of the UNICEF study & extensions and will be
>> reviewing them alongside other ongoing usability testing and
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> We're already aware of the UNICEF study & extensions and will be
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We're already aware of the UNICEF study & extensions and will be
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On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 10:12 AM, Gerard Meijssen
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> Hoi,
> There are indeed issues with the core MediaWiki software. There is existing
> software that is build as an extension. The basic CreatePage extension can
> easily be implemented, it does require no templates or butt
Hoi,
They were requested to start a new article.. Nothing fancy.. an article with
a few lines of text. The car did not crash, it never got moving.
Thanks,
GerardM
2008/12/2 Michael Peel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Gerard,
>
> You seem to have completely missed my point. At which stage in the
> pr
> Van: Magnus Manske <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Beantwoorden - Aan: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List
>
> Datum: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 15:16:54 +
> Aan: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List
> Onderwerp: Re: [Foundation-l] Moving towards a more usable MediaWiki
>
> On Tue,
Gerard,
You seem to have completely missed my point. At which stage in the
process did they fail?
It's like answering the question "why do cars crash?" with "they
failed to not crash."...
No, I don't have experience with small projects. That comment was
based on my experience with en.wp, w
Hoi,
There are indeed issues with the core MediaWiki software. There is existing
software that is build as an extension. The basic CreatePage extension can
easily be implemented, it does require no templates or buttons. These are
separate opportunities. Opportunities that take a bit more considerat
Hoi,
There are many people who have been struggling with poor usability of
MediaWiki inside and outside of the Wikimedia Foundation. When the people
from this university are interested in working on usability, they will find
many people who have half ready solutions. They will find that improving
u
On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 3:00 PM, Gerard Meijssen
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hoi,
> They failed their task. Their task was to create a new article. There are
> many people who fail at this.
>From our internal lab/project wiki, I can confirm that people
(including PhDs and professors) keep looking
Hoi,
They failed their task. Their task was to create a new article. There are
many people who fail at this.
When you state that "those seem to be getting increasingly rare", I wonder
if you have experience with small and starting projects. It is a recurring
theme and it is a major reason for the
On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 8:40 AM, Michael Peel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Where did they fail? Did they fail to find a red link to create an
> article? (those seem to be getting increasingly rare) Could they not
> find a subject to start a new article on? Were they unable to type
> text into the a
On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 2:23 PM, Gerard Meijssen
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hoi,
> You do not create a new article by finding the "edit" button. The task all
> these people failed at was creating a whole new article.
> Thanks,
> GerardM
>
Ok, it's a real problem... but we know that any wiki
Michael Peel wrote:
> Where did they fail? Did they fail to find a red link to create an
> article? (those seem to be getting increasingly rare) Could they not
> find a subject to start a new article on? Were they unable to type
> text into the appropriate box and submit it? Were they unable
Gerard Meijssen wrote:
> It is hardly relevant what the demographics of the test group is. 100%
> failure in Tanzania, well educated people in Austria failing to get to grips
> with Wikipedia, we get people informing us about our perceived security
> problem. The reason why it is hardly relevant is
Where did they fail? Did they fail to find a red link to create an
article? (those seem to be getting increasingly rare) Could they not
find a subject to start a new article on? Were they unable to type
text into the appropriate box and submit it? Were they unable to
structure the article w
Hello,
I was recently at a conference for Swedish information specialists (yes, I
had a talk there). There I met a woman who taught at a university. The
subject: information architecture. They had groups of students improving the
websites of several well known Swedish companies and organisations.
Ilario Valdelli schrieb:
> On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 12:51 PM, Gerard Meijssen
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Hoi,
>> Over the last weeks I have been rather active in promoting improved
>> usability for the MediaWiki software. What really got me going was learning
>> from a Wikimania presentatio
Hoi,
You do not create a new article by finding the "edit" button. The task all
these people failed at was creating a whole new article.
Thanks,
GerardM
2008/12/2 Ilario Valdelli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 12:51 PM, Gerard Meijssen
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hoi,
> >
On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 12:51 PM, Gerard Meijssen
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hoi,
> Over the last weeks I have been rather active in promoting improved
> usability for the MediaWiki software. What really got me going was learning
> from a Wikimania presentation that a UNICEF usability study done i
Hoi,
It is hardly relevant what the demographics of the test group is. 100%
failure in Tanzania, well educated people in Austria failing to get to grips
with Wikipedia, we get people informing us about our perceived security
problem. The reason why it is hardly relevant is because the same studies
On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 12:51 PM, Gerard Meijssen
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> Hoi,
> Over the last weeks I have been rather active in promoting improved
> usability for the MediaWiki software. What really got me going was learning
> from a Wikimania presentation that a UNICEF usability study done i
Hoi,
Over the last weeks I have been rather active in promoting improved
usability for the MediaWiki software. What really got me going was learning
from a Wikimania presentation that a UNICEF usability study done in Tanzania
showed that 100% of the test subjects were unable to create a new article
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