Re: [Foundation-l] Jimbo Wales acting outside his remit

2010-05-08 Thread Anthony
> On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 9:24 AM, Fred Bauder > wrote: > > Note however, "We were about to be smeared in all media as hosting > > hardcore pornography with zero educational value and doing nothing about > > it." > > > > Fred Bauder > On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 12:39 PM, David Goodman wrote: > And w

Re: [Foundation-l] Jimbo Wales acting outside his remit

2010-05-08 Thread David Goodman
And we are about to be presented in all responsible free culture media as having acted as if such false accusations were true. David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 9:24 AM, Fred Bauder wrote: > Note however, "We were about to be smeared

Re: [Foundation-l] Jimbo Wales acting outside his remit

2010-05-08 Thread Mike.lifeguard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 37-01--10 03:59 PM, Jimmy Wales wrote: > To the contrary, I have been very active in discussions both on the > wiki, in email, and in irc. Pretending that I'm not a reasonable person > open to discussion and debate is not going to be very persuasiv

Re: [Foundation-l] Jimbo Wales acting outside his remit

2010-05-08 Thread Kim Bruning
On Sat, May 08, 2010 at 01:47:52PM +0100, Jimmy Wales wrote: > On 5/8/10 12:12 PM, Adam Cuerden wrote: > > and has made a statement that he refuses to discuss his deletions until > > after he has finished deleting them all, which would only compound the > > problem. > > To the contrary, I have bee

Re: [Foundation-l] Jimbo Wales acting outside his remit

2010-05-08 Thread Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
Svip wrote: > On 8 May 2010 14:43, Fred Bauder wrote: > > >> Well, do you need a picture to explain a dildo? >> > > Well, do you need a picture to explain a cloud? > > Do you need a picture to explain a wall? A door? A mobile phone? An > aeroplane? And I could go on, until I would have

Re: [Foundation-l] Jimbo Wales acting outside his remit

2010-05-08 Thread Svip
On 8 May 2010 14:43, Fred Bauder wrote: > Well, do you need a picture to explain a dildo? Well, do you need a picture to explain a cloud? Do you need a picture to explain a wall? A door? A mobile phone? An aeroplane? And I could go on, until I would have totally disproved the usage of Commo

Re: [Foundation-l] Jimbo Wales acting outside his remit

2010-05-08 Thread Aphaia
On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 9:43 PM, Fred Bauder wrote: > Well, do you need a picture to explain a dildo? Well, at least it is helpful for foreign readers to some extent to have an illustration, File:Franz von Bayros > 016.jpg is more or less art, but File:Félicien Rops - Sainte-Thérèse.png > which

Re: [Foundation-l] Jimbo Wales acting outside his remit

2010-05-08 Thread Fred Bauder
Note however, "We were about to be smeared in all media as hosting hardcore pornography with zero educational value and doing nothing about it." Fred Bauder > Further, Mr. Wales: > > http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AJimbo_Wales&action=historysubmit&diff=38935852&oldid=38

Re: [Foundation-l] Jimbo Wales acting outside his remit

2010-05-08 Thread Adam Cuerden
You hadn't commented on this list when I wrote that. It's a reply to Zazo. >On 5/8/10 1:43 PM, Adam Cuerden wrote: >> I see you have ignored all the content of my messages, focusing on a single >> pair of words, in which I express my frustration at Jimbo, who had, just >> previously, told me on IR

Re: [Foundation-l] Jimbo Wales acting outside his remit

2010-05-08 Thread Adam Cuerden
Let me expand on that: Immediately after or before Wales saying that he's always willing to discuss things, he deleted four pages of discussion which had sprung up about his behaviour overnight. So, he's claiming he's always willing to discuss things - at the *exact same time* as he's very public

Re: [Foundation-l] Jimbo Wales acting outside his remit

2010-05-08 Thread Chad
On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 9:00 AM, Adam Cuerden wrote: > I, of course, agree that the Félicien Rops image is offensive, and we > have no reason to needlessly offend by putting it in articles where > less-offensive images are equally encyclopedic. However, it's also by > a notable artist, and, as such

[Foundation-l] Jimbo Wales acting outside his remit

2010-05-08 Thread Adam Cuerden
Further, Mr. Wales: http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AJimbo_Wales&action=historysubmit&diff=38935852&oldid=38935659 Here, you remove about four pages of requests that you stop your behaviour without commenting on them, saying you know better than the community. You're a

[Foundation-l] Jimbo Wales acting outside his remit

2010-05-08 Thread Adam Cuerden
Really, Mr. Wales? Let's review what you actually wrote. http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AJimbo_Wales&action=historysubmit&diff=38891861&oldid=38891748 "I have redeleted the image for the duration of the cleanup project. We will have a solid discussion about whether Comm

Re: [Foundation-l] Jimbo Wales acting outside his remit

2010-05-08 Thread Fred Bauder
How child friendly should we be? Fred Bauder ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

[Foundation-l] Jimbo Wales acting outside his remit

2010-05-08 Thread Adam Cuerden
I, of course, agree that the Félicien Rops image is offensive, and we have no reason to needlessly offend by putting it in articles where less-offensive images are equally encyclopedic. However, it's also by a notable artist, and, as such, can be used to illustrate his work, the subjects you mentio

Re: [Foundation-l] Jimbo Wales acting outside his remit

2010-05-08 Thread Jimmy Wales
On 5/8/10 1:43 PM, Adam Cuerden wrote: > I see you have ignored all the content of my messages, focusing on a single > pair of words, in which I express my frustration at Jimbo, who had, just > previously, told me on IRC that artworks would not be spared, that he > refused to limit such deletions,

Re: [Foundation-l] Jimbo Wales acting outside his remit

2010-05-08 Thread Jimmy Wales
On 5/8/10 12:12 PM, Adam Cuerden wrote: > and has made a statement that he refuses to discuss his deletions until > after he has finished deleting them all, which would only compound the > problem. To the contrary, I have been very active in discussions both on the wiki, in email, and in irc. Pr

[Foundation-l] Jimbo Wales acting outside his remit

2010-05-08 Thread Adam Cuerden
Zazo: I see you have ignored all the content of my messages, focusing on a single pair of words, in which I express my frustration at Jimbo, who had, just previously, told me on IRC that artworks would not be spared, that he refused to limit such deletions, and that any such opinions to the contr

Re: [Foundation-l] Jimbo Wales acting outside his remit

2010-05-08 Thread Fred Bauder
Well, do you need a picture to explain a dildo? File:Franz von Bayros 016.jpg is more or less art, but File:Félicien Rops - Sainte-Thérèse.png which is used on three Wikipedias to illustrate the use of a dildo has some real problems with being offensive to Catholics (Of course Japanese or Chinese C

Re: [Foundation-l] Jimbo Wales acting outside his remit

2010-05-08 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Adam, As long as you do comments like this [1] ("Fuck you") I would like you to abstain from discussing until your mood has changed. Ziko [1] http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons_talk:Sexual_content&diff=next&oldid=38893870 2010/5/8 Adam Cuerden : > The foundation appears t

[Foundation-l] Jimbo Wales acting outside his remit

2010-05-08 Thread Adam Cuerden
The foundation appears to be of the impression that Jimbo is merely attempting to encourage scrutiny, and removing clear cases. This is not true. Jimbo has speedy deleted, without discussion, historical artworks and diagrams, often edit warring with admins to keep them deleted, and has made a stat