Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 10:39 AM, Milos Rancic wrote: > I really don't think > that Google, Facebook or Amazon are so stupid to sue WMF or anything > strongly connected with WMF because their business is strongly > connected to the perception of their behavior (by Internet users). They think it

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 7:22 PM, Ray Saintonge wrote: > Milos Rancic wrote: >> BTW, I am really skeptical about the idea that one large Internet >> company sues Wikimedia or MediaWiki developers for their patents. It >> would be a really bad PR for them. > > The history of lawsuits often shows that

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

Milos Rancic wrote: > On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 9:44 PM, Lars Aronsson wrote: > >> It says that as long as we follow Google's protocol standard, they >> won't sue us for infringing on their patents ("patents necessarily >> infringed by implementation of this specification"). Oh, how very >> gener

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

Hello, > So let us be realistic.. Even in Wikipedia you will not have > thousands of > people editing *at the same time* in a document. But documents have tens of thousands of revisions, still. > In your reply you mention javascript, is that based on reading > about the "embed" API ?? um, di

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

Hoi, I am glad that there is still some work to do.. God forbid that Wave would be the all singing, all dancing replacement for all other software under the sun. Now, I am an optimist and I am happy that the first code to bring MediaWiki content in a Wave, I am glad that my optimism is tempered wit

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

Hi, > On a different note, the first code to bring MediaWiki content in a > Wave We should have fun-l@ for conversations like this. First of all, if any of you who are interested in wave-ization of teh internet, go join the wave community and push the standard towards lazy on-demand loadi

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

Hoi, The good news in this blogentry is that people outside of Google have access to it. When you read the text at readwriteweb, you will not see the word wiki once. You read the question what use the history tool will have ... exactly one of the things that would make a big difference for us. All

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

FYI everyone, I let Frederic at ReadWriteWeb know that there was some interest from Wikimedians about Wave integration, and he kindly linkedto a sample of the thread in his post about his impressions after a demo.

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

Hoi, There are two things to consider; - when you develop using the Wave protocol the license covers your work - Wave is based on the Google Web Toolkit The Google Web Toolkit has a different license, it is licensed under the Apache license. So again I do not share your opinion that we can

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

Robert Rohde wrote: > Assuming Google is intending to be "not evil" about this, I would > guess the point of the intellectual property (e.g. patents and > trademarks) is to prevent people from creating things that are called > and/or identify themselves as Wave servers and yet don't conform to > th

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 12:44 PM, Lars Aronsson wrote: > Gerard Meijssen wrote: > >> Lars PLEASE read the license before you comment. > > Of course I have read the short license text at > http://www.waveprotocol.org/patent-license > > It says that as long as we follow Google's protocol standard, th

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 9:44 PM, Lars Aronsson wrote: > It says that as long as we follow Google's protocol standard, they > won't sue us for infringing on their patents ("patents necessarily > infringed by implementation of this specification").  Oh, how very > generous.  But what if we want to im

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

Gerard Meijssen wrote: > Lars PLEASE read the license before you comment. Of course I have read the short license text at http://www.waveprotocol.org/patent-license It says that as long as we follow Google's protocol standard, they won't sue us for infringing on their patents ("patents necessa

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 5:34 PM, Judson Dunn wrote: > The revocation happens if you sue someone else for patent > infringement, it's really pretty positive, actually. "(including a cross-claim or counterclaim in a lawsuit)"... Interesting... What if you have a patent under the same license? La

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

Hoi, If you want to extend the specification, you can .. BUT you have to provide working code that integrates with the reference implementation AND you have to provide this with the same license. This means that all extensions to the protocol will allow you to use them safely because you will have

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

> "Google and its affiliates hereby grant to you a perpetual, worldwide, > non-exclusive, no-charge, royalty-free, irrevocable (except as stated > in this License) patent license for patents necessarily infringed by > implementation of this specification." so, if you want to extend the specificati

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 10:37 AM, Lars Aronsson wrote: > The mention of a "patent license" should make us worried.  Does > Google, for example, have a patent on the animated playback? > Should we need a patent for "flagged revisions" to counter that? > > Their patent license is basically just sayi

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

Hoi, Lars PLEASE read the license before you comment. Thanks, GerardM 2009/6/1 Lars Aronsson > Thomas Dalton wrote: > > > 2009/5/31 Lars Aronsson : > > > The idea of showing diffs since the user last viewed the same > > > wave, is very similar to Flagged revisions. > > > > How is it in any

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

2009/6/1 Lars Aronsson : > Thomas Dalton wrote: > >> 2009/5/31 Lars Aronsson : >> > The idea of showing diffs since the user last viewed the same >> > wave, is very similar to Flagged revisions. >> >> How is it in any way like Flagged revisions? > > From the video, the user interface color marked t

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

Thomas Dalton wrote: > 2009/5/31 Lars Aronsson : > > The idea of showing diffs since the user last viewed the same > > wave, is very similar to Flagged revisions. > > How is it in any way like Flagged revisions? >From the video, the user interface color marked the differences in the wave since

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

2009/5/31 Gerard Meijssen : > Hoi, > Thinking of Google Wave as an application is not doing it justice. In my > opinion the most important part of Wave is its protocol. You're absolutely right, but I still think it is the fact that all these things are in one app that is important, but it is equal

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

Hoi, Thinking of Google Wave as an application is not doing it justice. In my opinion the most important part of Wave is its protocol. This is best appreciated in that Google expects production quality code to go with the "reference implementation". This reference implementation in turn will be ava

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

2009/5/31 Jussi-Ville Heiskanen : > For sure. I was just burying the point that telegrams > are not the best comparison. Courier mail did the > thing much slower, but it got the thing done. > Telegrams were for when you needed the > immediacy that E-mail now gives for free.(spam notwithstanding) I

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

Hoi, When you want to consider Wave in combination with Wikipedia, there are a few "easy" answers to this. The first is that Wave is massively easier to use. When you combine the existing Wave technology with MediaWiki, you will improve usability for MediaWiki. When you bring MediaWiki content to W

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

Thomas Dalton wrote: > 2009/5/30 Jussi-Ville Heiskanen : > >> Thomas Dalton wrote: >> >>> E-mail, once >>> it let the military/academia, was a completely new thing, there wasn't >>> anything like it before (the closest thing was telegrams, which >>> charged by the word, could take a few ho

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 6:40 PM, Lars Aronsson wrote: > Judson Dunn wrote: > >> I can't sell my luddite co-workers on the idea of a blog, or a >> wiki, but this is more obviously approachable. For more normal >> web users, there are obviously a lot of advanced uses as well. > > Google Wave combine

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

How does Google Wave help the WMF achieve its goals? Wikipedia has already become a dominant information source for the 1.5 billion people with Internet access thanks to Google. We need to focus on getting Wikipedia to the 5.2 billion people who can't access it. On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 1:31 PM, C

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

2009/5/31 Lars Aronsson : > The idea of showing diffs since the user last viewed the same > wave, is very similar to Flagged revisions. How is it in any way like Flagged revisions? ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscri

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

Judson Dunn wrote: > I can't sell my luddite co-workers on the idea of a blog, or a > wiki, but this is more obviously approachable. For more normal > web users, there are obviously a lot of advanced uses as well. Google Wave combines many concepts, such as mail discussion threads, Twitter-lik

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 4:52 PM, Peter Coombe wrote: > The best description I've seen so far was "FriendFeed... with benefits" :-) > Right, it's not entirely new, which is I think why some people are saying it isn't a big deal. The problem is, it's only not new for people like us. We obviously s

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

2009/5/30 Judson Dunn : > On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 6:58 PM, David Gerard wrote: >> >> 2009/5/30 Thomas Dalton : >> >> > I don't get it... this is just MSN Messenger on steroids. It's a great >> > idea and if it works it should be really useful, but it isn't >> > world-changing and certainly isn't g

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

Having just watched the talk/show/discussion/dancing, I agree completely with Steve's comments on wikien-l: On 29 May 2009, at 04:52, Steve Bennett wrote: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_UyVmITiYQ&eurl=http%3A%2F% > 2Fwave.google.com%2F&feature=player_embedded > > (See from about 31:00 onwar

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 9:26 PM, Erik Moeller wrote: > 2009/5/29 Milos Rancic : >> Probably, some of you already saw that Google made something for which >> I think that it will be the new form of the mainstream Internet >> perception. You may read Slashdot article [1], a good description at >> th

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 6:42 PM, Anthony wrote: > That would be great, but wouldn't it also mean the death of Google and > pretty much any company which relies on web advertising to make money?  How > do you make money off of P2P?  Software and data license fees, I guess, but > is Google really pr

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 6:58 PM, David Gerard wrote: > > 2009/5/30 Thomas Dalton : > > > I don't get it... this is just MSN Messenger on steroids. It's a great > > idea and if it works it should be really useful, but it isn't > > world-changing and certainly isn't going to restructure the internet

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

Hoi, One of the things that I really appreciate is the decision by Google to create a reference implementation and the way they expect contributions to the protocol to be accompanied by working code implemented as a patch for the reference implementation. The reference implementation will as a prod

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

Hoi, The license has been published here... http://www.waveprotocol.org/patent-license Thanks, GerardM 2009/5/30 Tim Starling > Milos Rancic wrote: > > On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 7:13 AM, Tim Starling > wrote: > >> It's not free software. The blog post says they "intend to open source > >> th

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

2009/5/30 Tim Starling : > Milos Rancic wrote: >> On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 7:13 AM, Tim Starling >> wrote: >>> It's not free software. The blog post says they "intend to open source >>> the code". That generally means the code quality is so bad that they'd >>> be embarrassed to make it public, and

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

Milos Rancic wrote: > On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 7:13 AM, Tim Starling wrote: >> It's not free software. The blog post says they "intend to open source >> the code". That generally means the code quality is so bad that they'd >> be embarrassed to make it public, and would like to clean it up to the >

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

2009/5/30 Anthony : > A: "What's your favorite color?" > B: "I like red" > C: "I like green" > D: "Red and green?  Are you nuts?  Blue is the best color of all?" > A: I agree with B, red is definitely the nicest color. > C: But isn't the wavelength of green so much more asthetically pleasing? > > H

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 9:14 AM, Thomas Dalton wrote: > 2009/5/30 Anthony : > > On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 8:26 AM, Thomas Dalton >wrote: > > > >> I hated the way it didn't seem to > >> indicate what message you were replying to. For the most part, the > >> conversation had a linear structure, not a

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

> It's a great app, look at it the other way! finally someone implemented LiquidThreads! Cheers, Domas ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

2009/5/30 Anthony : > On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 8:26 AM, Thomas Dalton wrote: > >> I hated the way it didn't seem to >> indicate what message you were replying to. For the most part, the >> conversation had a linear structure, not a tree one. They would reply >> to the last message in the conversatio

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 8:26 AM, Thomas Dalton wrote: > I hated the way it didn't seem to > indicate what message you were replying to. For the most part, the > conversation had a linear structure, not a tree one. They would reply > to the last message in the conversation and the reply would have

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 8:06 AM, Milos Rancic wrote: > On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 1:55 PM, Anthony wrote: > > Like replying in the middle of a message, not by quoting the original, > but > > by just editing the person's message to add your question in the middle > of > > it. How pissed would you b

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

2009/5/30 Anthony : > On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 7:24 AM, Anthony wrote: > >> I'm not sure if it'll catch on, because Google seems to have added so much >> extraneous crap into the mix >> > > Like replying in the middle of a message, not by quoting the original, but > by just editing the person's mes

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

2009/5/30 Jussi-Ville Heiskanen : > Thomas Dalton wrote: >> >>  E-mail, once >> it let the military/academia, was a completely new thing, there wasn't >> anything like it before (the closest thing was telegrams, which >> charged by the word, could take a few hours to reach their destination >> and

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

Hoi, When you paid attention, you would know that it were developers. You are thinking along the lines of traditional e-mail and YES, you want to know who did what. You do know that it was explained that they deal with this. When you forget about the e-mail paradigm and start thinking in terms of t

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 2:03 PM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: > There was also Safari ... the message was "modern" browsers.. but this is > for the reference implementation Google will build. It was also demonstrated > that you can go as low as a command line tool for this.. Actually, not a command lin

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 1:55 PM, Anthony wrote: > Like replying in the middle of a message, not by quoting the original, but > by just editing the person's message to add your question in the middle of > it.  How pissed would you be if someone did that on your User talk page? > But yet it got appl

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

Hoi, There was also Safari ... the message was "modern" browsers.. but this is for the reference implementation Google will build. It was also demonstrated that you can go as low as a command line tool for this.. Thanks, GerardM 2009/5/30 Anthony > On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 6:49 AM, Milos Ran

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 7:24 AM, Anthony wrote: > I'm not sure if it'll catch on, because Google seems to have added so much > extraneous crap into the mix > Like replying in the middle of a message, not by quoting the original, but by just editing the person's message to add your question in th

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 1:24 PM, Anthony wrote: > I thought that's all it was was a web interface...  IIRC the preview was run > in Chrome and Firefox, wasn't it? It seems so. And there was one native console client :) (I thought that at least one of their clients is a native one, but, it seems t

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 6:49 AM, Milos Rancic wrote: > On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 7:13 AM, Tim Starling > wrote: > > Yeah, sure. Like the way Jabber killed proprietary protocols like MSN > > and AIM, right? It's been 9 years since the first release now. > > This is a completely other path. As I sai

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 7:13 AM, Tim Starling wrote: > It's not free software. The blog post says they "intend to open source > the code". That generally means the code quality is so bad that they'd > be embarrassed to make it public, and would like to clean it up to the > point where humans can u

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

Thomas Dalton wrote: > > E-mail, once > it let the military/academia, was a completely new thing, there wasn't > anything like it before (the closest thing was telegrams, which > charged by the word, could take a few hours to reach their destination > and couldn't have attachments). > > Not ev

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

Hoi, I have seen the presentation.. I have noticed that there were plenty of moments where it was stated that this is an early version of the software and that it needs more polishing. At this same presentation all the developers that were in this room received an invite to start developing extensi

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

Milos Rancic wrote: > Probably, some of you already saw that Google made something for which > I think that it will be the new form of the mainstream Internet > perception. You may read Slashdot article [1], a good description at > the blog "Google Operating System" [2] (not officially connected wi

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

Hoi, Did you see the presentation on Wave ? If so, you would know that it is not a given that your wave server would have adverts. It would also be clear that this content would not necessarily as in not at all be open to Google to data mine. Thanks, GerardM http://wave.google.com 2009/5/30

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 10:26 PM, Erik Moeller wrote: > 2009/5/29 Milos Rancic : > > Probably, some of you already saw that Google made something for which > > I think that it will be the new form of the mainstream Internet > > perception. You may read Slashdot article [1], a good description at

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

2009/5/29 Milos Rancic : > Probably, some of you already saw that Google made something for which > I think that it will be the new form of the mainstream Internet > perception. You may read Slashdot article [1], a good description at > the blog "Google Operating System" [2] (not officially connect

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 8:19 PM, Milos Rancic wrote: > It would be on steroids as a proprietary software model or > free-client-proprietary-server model. However, this model have the > same potential as email had a couple of decades ago. Probably more comparable to the web than email. But wha

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

I am not so sure about that after watching the video. Their implementation will be open source. I think that their main business will be selling storage on servers or something similar. We'll see... On 2009-05-30, Thomas Dalton wrote: > 2009/5/30 Milos Rancic : >> On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 1:42 AM

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

2009/5/30 Milos Rancic : > It would be on steroids as a proprietary software model or > free-client-proprietary-server model. However, this model have the > same potential as email had a couple of decades ago. Not really. This isn't that different to existing technology, it's just bringing togeth

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

It would be on steroids as a proprietary software model or free-client-proprietary-server model. However, this model have the same potential as email had a couple of decades ago. On 2009-05-30, David Gerard wrote: > 2009/5/30 Thomas Dalton : > >> I don't get it... this is just MSN Messenger on s

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

2009/5/30 Milos Rancic : > On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 1:42 AM, Anthony wrote: >> That would be great, but wouldn't it also mean the death of Google and >> pretty much any company which relies on web advertising to make money?  How >> do you make money off of P2P?  Software and data license fees, I gu

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 1:42 AM, Anthony wrote: > That would be great, but wouldn't it also mean the death of Google and > pretty much any company which relies on web advertising to make money? How > do you make money off of P2P? Software and data license fees, I guess, but > is Google really pr

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

2009/5/30 Thomas Dalton : > I don't get it... this is just MSN Messenger on steroids. It's a great > idea and if it works it should be really useful, but it isn't > world-changing and certainly isn't going to restructure the internet. No, no - it's Google Chat on steroids! With email and groups

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

2009/5/30 Milos Rancic : > On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 10:02 PM, Anthony wrote: >> Adding people to a conversation already in progress is cool.  The rest of >> it...I dunno...what's the point? > > Basically, moving the Internet usage from the client-server model to > the peer-to-peer model with auxili

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 7:37 PM, Chad wrote: > On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 7:33 PM, Milos Rancic wrote: > > On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 10:02 PM, Anthony wrote: > >> Adding people to a conversation already in progress is cool. The rest > of > >> it...I dunno...what's the point? > > > > Basically, movi

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 7:33 PM, Milos Rancic wrote: > On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 10:02 PM, Anthony wrote: > > Adding people to a conversation already in progress is cool. The rest of > > it...I dunno...what's the point? > > Basically, moving the Internet usage from the client-server model to > th

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 7:33 PM, Milos Rancic wrote: > On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 10:02 PM, Anthony wrote: >> Adding people to a conversation already in progress is cool.  The rest of >> it...I dunno...what's the point? > > Basically, moving the Internet usage from the client-server model to > the p

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 10:02 PM, Anthony wrote: > Adding people to a conversation already in progress is cool.  The rest of > it...I dunno...what's the point? Basically, moving the Internet usage from the client-server model to the peer-to-peer model with auxiliary role of servers. In other word

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: > Who can help out ? Erik? ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 3:31 PM, Chad wrote: > Very cool. Not sure if I buy into the "this is the future of the > internet," but very very cool indeed. Adding people to a conversation already in progress is cool. The rest of it...I dunno...what's the point?

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

Hoi, A programmer friend of mine has had a look at the documentation that is already available and wants to integrate MediaWiki and Wave. The one thing that he wants at this time is access to Wave as a developer and realise this dream... The question is how do I get access for him. Wave's demoes a

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 3:10 PM, Milos Rancic wrote: > Probably, some of you already saw that Google made something for which > I think that it will be the new form of the mainstream Internet > perception. You may read Slashdot article [1], a good description at > the blog "Google Operating System

[Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

Probably, some of you already saw that Google made something for which I think that it will be the new form of the mainstream Internet perception. You may read Slashdot article [1], a good description at the blog "Google Operating System" [2] (not officially connected with Google) and, of course, y