Re: [Foundation-l] Discussion duration and the SOPA shutdown

2012-01-19 Thread David Gerard
On 19 January 2012 17:26, FT2 wrote: > Point of information: - are proposals mooted for an alternative DNS root? > Presumably, since satellite proposals exist and those are even more radical. There are many existing alternate roots. I suspect it would break into national or continental roots wh

Re: [Foundation-l] Discussion duration and the SOPA shutdown

2012-01-19 Thread FT2
Point of information: - are proposals mooted for an alternative DNS root? Presumably, since satellite proposals exist and those are even more radical. FT2 On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 5:20 PM, David Gerard wrote: > > Come the SOPAcalypse, the DNS root will fragment. I wonder if Google > will break

Re: [Foundation-l] Discussion duration and the SOPA shutdown

2012-01-19 Thread David Gerard
On 19 January 2012 17:15, FT2 wrote: > The question is, do you plan to migrate the major search engines and DNS > servers? If so, then migration might help. Come the SOPAcalypse, the DNS root will fragment. I wonder if Google will break itself up for the purpose. - d. ___

Re: [Foundation-l] Discussion duration and the SOPA shutdown

2012-01-19 Thread FT2
The question is, do you plan to migrate the major search engines and DNS servers? If so, then migration might help. FT2 On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 2:53 PM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen wrote: > Next time we should just migrate and fork to a jurisdiction > outside the US control. If that is needed. > > _

Re: [Foundation-l] Discussion duration and the SOPA shutdown

2012-01-19 Thread Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 4:34 AM, Erik Moeller wrote: > On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 6:30 PM, Mono wrote: >> I do agree that this kind of action must be severely limited. We cannot go >> on like this; we've used up our shutdown for about five years. The shutdown >> makes waves, but its effect will dimi

Re: [Foundation-l] Discussion duration and the SOPA shutdown

2012-01-19 Thread David Gerard
On 19 January 2012 02:27, George Herbert wrote: > On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 6:02 PM, phoebe ayers wrote: >> The community en.wp decision is separate, but it was also nuanced, and >> so I don't think it's true that all these issues were bulldozed, >> within Wikipedia or the WMF. (I don't know about

Re: [Foundation-l] Discussion duration and the SOPA shutdown

2012-01-19 Thread David Gerard
On 19 January 2012 02:27, George Herbert wrote: > It sounds like the Foundation was more organized about it than the > community, and didn't reach out to push early enough.  I understand > the desire not to be seen to be leading the community around, but it > seems to have led to a counterproduct

Re: [Foundation-l] Discussion duration and the SOPA shutdown

2012-01-18 Thread FT2
I wasn't involved but I can guess one key issue. On this of all things, the foundation's hands were tied,. it could not pre-empt the community or do things in a way that would let it be seen as foundation pushing, or hinting, or anything. And the community well it just yapped and yapped, as

Re: [Foundation-l] Discussion duration and the SOPA shutdown

2012-01-18 Thread Erik Moeller
On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 6:30 PM, Mono wrote: > I do agree that this kind of action must be severely limited. We cannot go > on like this; we've used up our shutdown for about five years. The shutdown > makes waves, but its effect will diminish with overuse. This is the kind of > thing we should no

Re: [Foundation-l] Discussion duration and the SOPA shutdown

2012-01-18 Thread Mono
I do agree that this kind of action must be severely limited. We cannot go on like this; we've used up our shutdown for about five years. The shutdown makes waves, but its effect will diminish with overuse. This is the kind of thing we should not repeat for a long while. On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 5:

Re: [Foundation-l] Discussion duration and the SOPA shutdown

2012-01-18 Thread George Herbert
On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 6:02 PM, phoebe ayers wrote: > On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 4:24 PM, George Herbert > wrote: >> On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 3:39 PM, FT2 wrote: >>> It's worth pointing out the discussion was open from 15 December to 16 >>> January before any close. >> >> No, there was informal dis

Re: [Foundation-l] Discussion duration and the SOPA shutdown

2012-01-18 Thread phoebe ayers
On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 4:24 PM, George Herbert wrote: > On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 3:39 PM, FT2 wrote: >> It's worth pointing out the discussion was open from 15 December to 16 >> January before any close. > > No, there was informal discussion going back into December.  "The > discussion" - the con

Re: [Foundation-l] Discussion duration and the SOPA shutdown

2012-01-18 Thread George Herbert
On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 3:39 PM, FT2 wrote: > It's worth pointing out the discussion was open from 15 December to 16 > January before any close. No, there was informal discussion going back into December. "The discussion" - the concrete, date-attached specific policy and implementation proposals

Re: [Foundation-l] Discussion duration and the SOPA shutdown

2012-01-18 Thread FT2
It's worth pointing out the discussion was open from 15 December to 16 January before any close. (Note: 15 December is not when it actually started, it's when it was formally opened as a community discussion - earlier suggestions were also discussed less formally from 10 December on various pages).

Re: [Foundation-l] Discussion duration and the SOPA shutdown

2012-01-18 Thread George Herbert
On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 5:18 PM, John Vandenberg wrote: > Hi George, > > The push came about after the IRC office hours. > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_office_hours/Office_hours_2012-01-12 After ongoing review of the IRC thread, on-wiki threads, mailing lists etc... I think the key fail

Re: [Foundation-l] Discussion duration and the SOPA shutdown

2012-01-18 Thread David Gerard
On 18 January 2012 05:04, Chris Lee wrote: > The "Learn More" link at en.wp is blocked too. Works fine for me (and I can read about SOPA and PIPA too), but I've seen a couple of reports of it not working. - d. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundati

Re: [Foundation-l] Discussion duration and the SOPA shutdown

2012-01-17 Thread Chris Lee
The "Learn More" link at en.wp is blocked too. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

Re: [Foundation-l] Discussion duration and the SOPA shutdown

2012-01-17 Thread John Vandenberg
Hi George, The push came about after the IRC office hours. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_office_hours/Office_hours_2012-01-12 -- John Vandenberg ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.

[Foundation-l] Discussion duration and the SOPA shutdown

2012-01-17 Thread George Herbert
I would normally start by floating this on wikien-L or on-wiki at the usual places, but the time for that has passed and thus I am going to drop this on the Foundation, who I believe are responsible for the particular problem here. On the English language Wikipedia, there has been a longstanding d