Re: [Foundation-l] Cultural awareness and sensitivity

2010-06-20 Thread Delphine Ménard
On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 9:56 AM, Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote: > >>> reaction to what to me was actually a rather funny comment. However, >>> Mariano's following reaction as well as Yaroslav's came across to me >>> as unecessarily aggressive and actually shocked me in what I perceived >>> as a lack o

Re: [Foundation-l] Cultural awareness and sensitivity

2010-06-11 Thread Yaroslav M. Blanter
>> reaction to what to me was actually a rather funny comment. However, >> Mariano's following reaction as well as Yaroslav's came across to me >> as unecessarily aggressive and actually shocked me in what I perceived >> as a lack of consideration and altogether rather nasty answers. >> Strange. >

Re: [Foundation-l] Cultural awareness and sensitivity

2010-06-10 Thread Pavlo Shevelo
Hello Delphine, Talking about 'cultural awareness and sensitivity' would you let me propose some minor case study? > reaction to what to me was actually a rather funny comment. However, > Mariano's following reaction as well as Yaroslav's came across to me > as unecessarily aggressive and actuall

Re: [Foundation-l] Cultural awareness and sensitivity

2010-06-08 Thread Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
Ray Saintonge wrote: > > Caution in avoiding offence with one's words must be coupled with a > willingness to avoid seeing offence in the words of others. One needs to > begin from the assumption that a word is being used in its most ordinary > sense. Just like "gay" is not restricted by moder

Re: [Foundation-l] Cultural awareness and sensitivity

2010-06-08 Thread Mariano Cecowski
--- El mar 8-jun-10, Delphine Ménard escribió: > The problem I see here, is that Mariano's reaction, while > probably understandable, failed, in my opinion, to tackle the real > problem Michael was (at least the way I understood it) trying to > point out ie. "we at Wikimedia often lack cultural

Re: [Foundation-l] Cultural awareness and sensitivity

2010-06-08 Thread Delphine Ménard
On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 9:30 AM, Lodewijk wrote: > Dear Michael, > > on one side, thank you for bringing this up - I had for example no idea of > this interpretation, and couldn't even have imagined it probably. > > On a more general note, how do you think this problem could be approached? I > assu

Re: [Foundation-l] Cultural awareness and sensitivity

2010-06-08 Thread Lodewijk
Dear Michael, on one side, thank you for bringing this up - I had for example no idea of this interpretation, and couldn't even have imagined it probably. On a more general note, how do you think this problem could be approached? I assume that you can understand that someone uses a word in a diff

Re: [Foundation-l] Cultural awareness and sensitivity

2010-06-07 Thread Ray Saintonge
Michael Snow wrote: > To avoid further disrupting discussion of interlanguage links and > usability, I'll address the cultural problems separately now. I must > admit, though, that in a discussion where we seemed to have agreed > (rightfully so) that a 1% click rate was significant enough to war

Re: [Foundation-l] Cultural awareness and sensitivity

2010-06-07 Thread Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
Michael Snow wrote: > To avoid further disrupting discussion of interlanguage links and > usability, I'll address the cultural problems separately now. I must > admit, though, that in a discussion where we seemed to have agreed > (rightfully so) that a 1% click rate was significant enough to war

Re: [Foundation-l] Cultural awareness and sensitivity

2010-06-07 Thread Michael Snow
On 6/7/2010 5:25 PM, Aphaia wrote: > True, but it reminded me on the time English Wikipedia sanctioned > non-latin script usernames and blocked them indefinitely and forced > them to rename for months. At that time many English Wikipedia sysops > supported this idea and much more of them were indif

Re: [Foundation-l] Cultural awareness and sensitivity

2010-06-07 Thread Fred Bauder
Native Americans used to compare European Americans to spiders. http://www.native-languages.org/cheyenne-legends.htm That referred to our quick adaptive nature that was not rooted in tradition. We seem to be very clever and good at things, but not committed to anything. I think the problem has pr

Re: [Foundation-l] Cultural awareness and sensitivity

2010-06-07 Thread Aphaia
True, but it reminded me on the time English Wikipedia sanctioned non-latin script usernames and blocked them indefinitely and forced them to rename for months. At that time many English Wikipedia sysops supported this idea and much more of them were indifferent. If I recall correctly, no board mem

[Foundation-l] Cultural awareness and sensitivity

2010-06-07 Thread Michael Snow
To avoid further disrupting discussion of interlanguage links and usability, I'll address the cultural problems separately now. I must admit, though, that in a discussion where we seemed to have agreed (rightfully so) that a 1% click rate was significant enough to warrant serious consideration,