I started this thread to discuss Wikimedia's CSR. Unfortunately, people are now
debating salaries for the major part of this thread...
~Abbas.
> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 17:53:32 -0500
> From: nawr...@gmail.com
> To: foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l]
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 5:42 PM, wrote:
> In a message dated 11/22/2010 2:10:05 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> wikipe...@frontier.com writes:
>
>
> > They aren't - as a
> > member of the audit committee, I have full confidence that the Wikimedia
> > Foundation's tax reports are using the appropriate
In a message dated 11/22/2010 2:10:05 PM Pacific Standard Time,
wikipe...@frontier.com writes:
> They aren't - as a
> member of the audit committee, I have full confidence that the Wikimedia
> Foundation's tax reports are using the appropriate categories for
> expenses.
So auditing is now
On 11/22/2010 1:08 PM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 11/22/2010 11:31:50 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> wikipe...@frontier.com writes:
>> On 11/22/2010 10:47 AM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote:
>>> In a message dated 11/22/2010 10:33:53 AM Pacific Standard Time,
>>> rkald...@wikimedia.org write
In a message dated 11/22/2010 11:31:50 AM Pacific Standard Time,
wikipe...@frontier.com writes:
> On 11/22/2010 10:47 AM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote:
> > In a message dated 11/22/2010 10:33:53 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> > rkald...@wikimedia.org writes:
> >> * I believe "Salary and other compensatio
On 11/22/2010 10:47 AM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 11/22/2010 10:33:53 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> rkald...@wikimedia.org writes:
>> * I believe "Salary and other compensation" includes payment to
>> contractors, of which we currently have about 20-30 (which aren't
>> counted as e
In a message dated 11/22/2010 10:33:53 AM Pacific Standard Time,
rkald...@wikimedia.org writes:
> * I believe "Salary and other compensation" includes payment to
> contractors, of which we currently have about 20-30 (which aren't
> counted as employees). >>
>
Why so many, and contractors gen
A couple quick points:
* Average rent for an apartment in San Francisco is $2,282/month. If you
exclude the neighborhoods where you're likely to get shot, it's more
like $2500-$3000.
* I believe "Salary and other compensation" includes payment to
contractors, of which we currently have about 20-
On 21 November 2010 04:21, Noein wrote:
> I was used to more respectful manners from you, David.
I'm afraid I have little respect for the ideas you're expressing here
because they seem silly, and more silly the more you explain of them.
I could of course be wrong, but you're not helping your i
On 21 November 2010 01:27, Noein wrote:
> You think that nobody amidst the hundred of thousands of motivated
> volunteers would have the skills while accepting to work for a decent
> and humble salary. I'd like to prove you wrong, if there were a
> authentic will from the Foundation to have a try.
On 21/11/2010 02:00, Noein wrote:
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> On 20/11/2010 09:37, Craig Franklin wrote:
>> I don't know any of these people personally, but $128k a year for a legal
>> expert of Mike Godwin's stature and experience sounds like a bargain, not an
>> unreason
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> On 20/11/2010 23:26, David Gerard wrote:
>> On 21 November 2010 01:27, Noein wrote:
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>>> I hope that you don't feel threatened by novelty. Please don't close
>>> your mind to my ideas just because you've never heard of them. The
>>> Wikipedia
Noein, you keep saying that the community does or does not believe a certain
way. To my knowledge there have been no studies of socioeconomic perspectives
and policies of community members to support your argument. If there are and
I'm mistaken, I'd love to know as that would be very interesting
On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 6:42 PM, Dan Rosenthal wrote:
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> On Nov 20, 2010, at 6:00 PM, Noein wrote:
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>> Thank you everybody for explaining your views.
>> Most of the US inhabitants who answered me seem to be living and
>> believing in a hierarchical and competitive world where the highest
>> rank
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On 20/11/2010 23:26, David Gerard wrote:
> On 21 November 2010 01:27, Noein wrote:
>
>> I hope that you don't feel threatened by novelty. Please don't close
>> your mind to my ideas just because you've never heard of them. The
>> Wikipedia idea begin
On Nov 20, 2010, at 6:00 PM, Noein wrote:
> Thank you everybody for explaining your views.
> Most of the US inhabitants who answered me seem to be living and
> believing in a hierarchical and competitive world where the highest
> ranked ones- who are praised as gods - take from the lowest ones -
On 21 November 2010 01:27, Noein wrote:
> I hope that you don't feel threatened by novelty. Please don't close
> your mind to my ideas just because you've never heard of them. The
> Wikipedia idea begins by "Imagine".
You seem to have been presenting your disagreements as if you believed
yourse
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On 20/11/2010 09:37, Craig Franklin wrote:
> I don't know any of these people personally, but $128k a year for a legal
> expert of Mike Godwin's stature and experience sounds like a bargain, not an
> unreasonable expense. Given that WMF needs competen
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On 20/11/2010 02:40, Nathan wrote:
> I've never heard of a major charity in the world without at least some paid
> employees.
Hello Nathan.
I hope that you don't feel threatened by novelty. Please don't close
your mind to my ideas just because you've
>
> Also, at page 7, three major compensations are described:
> Sue Gardner was compensated 175050$ (equivalent to a monthly 14587$ income)
> Veronique Kessler was compensated 121859$ (equivalent to a monthly
> 10155$ income)
> Mike Godwin was compensated 128139$ (equivalent to a monthly 10678$
> i
I don't know any of these people personally, but $128k a year for a legal
expert of Mike Godwin's stature and experience sounds like a bargain, not an
unreasonable expense. Given that WMF needs competent legal representation,
and given that the WMF is not exactly flush with cash, we should be than
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> On 19/11/2010 21:31, Risker wrote:
>> The last one is for the fiscal year ending June 2009, and was filed on
>> 29
>> April 2010. Link:
>> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/foundation/5/54/WMF_2008_2009_Form_990.pdf
>>
>> The section on sala
Slightly different reply from Nathan here.
The project and foundation exist to produce and distribute free knowledge.
Every dime that is raised goes to cause "someone to profit". The bandwidth
that's bought, the servers purchased, the desktops and other matters, they
are almost all provided at com
On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 12:27 AM, Noein wrote:
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> On 19/11/2010 21:31, Risker wrote:
> > The last one is for the fiscal year ending June 2009, and was filed on 29
> > April 2010. Link:
> >
> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/foundation/5/54/W
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On 19/11/2010 21:31, Risker wrote:
> The last one is for the fiscal year ending June 2009, and was filed on 29
> April 2010. Link:
> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/foundation/5/54/WMF_2008_2009_Form_990.pdf
>
> The section on salaries begins on
On 19 November 2010 19:24, wrote:
> In a message dated 11/19/2010 4:17:16 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> swatjes...@gmail.com writes:
>
>
> > http://www.wikimediafoundation.org
>
> Form 990 for the past fiscal year is not posted there.
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In a message dated 11/19/2010 4:17:16 PM Pacific Standard Time,
swatjes...@gmail.com writes:
> http://www.wikimediafoundation.org
Form 990 for the past fiscal year is not posted there.
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On Nov 19, 2010, at 4:05 PM, Risker wrote:
> On 19 November 2010 18:39, Noein wrote:
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>> > of employees past and present of the WMF>
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> Noein, I believe you will find the answers you seek in the latest 503(c)
> filing that the WMF h
Salaries and wages accounted for 3.5 million in the last fiscal year
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/foundation/c/cc/FINAL_09_10From_KPMG.p
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On 19 November 2010 18:39, Noein wrote:
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> of employees past and present of the WMF>
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Noein, I believe you will find the answers you seek in the latest 503(c)
filing that the WMF has published. The WMF met the legislated requirements
for repo
I don't think many people would want to work for the Foundation if their
salary, severance, raises, etc were regularly published to the outside
world. Maybe this is only true in the US, but employee salaries are
generally considered to be private information. Asking people to give up
basic expe
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On 19/11/2010 19:22, Dan Rosenthal wrote:
> Noein, personally, I would think that a "duty of transparency about money"
> and publicizing information about a private employee's salary, benefits, or
> severance packages are two wildly different things
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On 19/11/2010 18:48, Fred Bauder wrote:
> I suspect it is more to avoid embarrassing him by disclosing he worked
> for so little than to hide Wikimedia business.
By "I suspect" do you mean that you are speculating? I think we should
stick to facts, sin
On Nov 19, 2010, at 1:30 PM, Noein wrote:
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> On 19/11/2010 11:42, Fred Bauder wrote:
>>> On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 14:46, David Gerard wrote:
On 19 November 2010 13:41, Abbas Mahmoud wrote:
> Does Wikimedia Foundation engage in Co
>
> I would add policies for the WMF like a duty of transparency about
> money. I still don't understand how the WMF can state for example:
>
> "The Wikimedia Foundation and Mike have figured out severance that
> we all hope will protect Mike and give him time to think about what he
> wants to do
>
> I would add policies for the WMF like a duty of transparency about
> money. I still don't understand how the WMF can state for example:
>
> "The Wikimedia Foundation and Mike have figured out severance that
> we all hope will protect Mike and give him time to think about what he
> wants to do
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On 19/11/2010 11:42, Fred Bauder wrote:
>> On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 14:46, David Gerard wrote:
>>> On 19 November 2010 13:41, Abbas Mahmoud wrote:
>>>
Does Wikimedia Foundation engage in Corporate Social Responsibility?
>>>
>>>
>>> http://en.wiki
> On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 14:46, David Gerard wrote:
>> On 19 November 2010 13:41, Abbas Mahmoud wrote:
>>
>>> Does Wikimedia Foundation engage in Corporate Social Responsibility?
>>
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_social_responsibility
>>
>> It appears to be something for for-profit
> On 19 November 2010 13:41, Abbas Mahmoud wrote:
>
>> Does Wikimedia Foundation engage in Corporate Social Responsibility?
>
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_social_responsibility
>
> It appears to be something for for-profit corporations to do to appear
> less rapacious.
>
> It's not c
> Does Wikimedia Foundation engage in Corporate Social Responsibility?
>
> ~Abbas.
Absolutely, but our main area of effort is disseminating cheap easily
accessible knowledge on a global basis. What else do you have in mind?
Fred Bauder
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On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 14:46, David Gerard wrote:
> On 19 November 2010 13:41, Abbas Mahmoud wrote:
>
>> Does Wikimedia Foundation engage in Corporate Social Responsibility?
>
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_social_responsibility
>
> It appears to be something for for-profit corporati
On 19 November 2010 13:41, Abbas Mahmoud wrote:
> Does Wikimedia Foundation engage in Corporate Social Responsibility?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_social_responsibility
It appears to be something for for-profit corporations to do to appear
less rapacious.
It's not clear what its ap
Does Wikimedia Foundation engage in Corporate Social Responsibility?
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