Re: [Foundation-l] Call for referendum

2011-08-21 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Kim Bruning, 21/08/2011 20:29: > == Next steps == > > I suggest that we now concentrate on constructively discussing the > meta-data ecology; including viability, security, and practicality. I personally concluded that wasting a huge lot of time discussing whether this filter will make us waste a

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for referendum

2011-08-21 Thread Kim Bruning
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 01:35:00PM -0700, Philippe Beaudette wrote: > *Please distribute widely* > * > * > * > * > *Call for referendum*: The Wikimedia Foundation, at the direction of the > Board of Trustees, will be holding a vote to determine whether members of > the community support the creati

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for referendum

2011-08-21 Thread Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 12:25 PM, Philippe Beaudette wrote: > It's really truly not going to be a matter of weeks, I can assure you of > that. > > It may be, at best, a couple of extra days, but we've all been vote checking > as we go.  I don't anticipate much delay if any. > A vote by vote check

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for referendum

2011-08-21 Thread Philippe Beaudette
It's really truly not going to be a matter of weeks, I can assure you of that. It may be, at best, a couple of extra days, but we've all been vote checking as we go. I don't anticipate much delay if any. ___ Philippe Beaudette Head of Reader Relations Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for referendum

2011-08-21 Thread Huib Laurens
At the time of the License Commitee with the vote we had te results also very fast... Dude... Its all possible when they check all the votes made on day 1 on day 2 etc etc... And the system is very simple to work with. Best, Huib 2011/8/21, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen : > On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 3:0

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for referendum

2011-08-20 Thread Risker
On 20 August 2011 22:48, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen wrote: > On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 3:08 AM, Philippe Beaudette > wrote: > > On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 12:12 PM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen < > > cimonav...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> > >> So why announce ridiculously unrealistic timeframe between the vote >

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for referendum

2011-08-20 Thread Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 3:08 AM, Philippe Beaudette wrote: > On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 12:12 PM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen < > cimonav...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> So why announce ridiculously unrealistic timeframe between the vote >> concluding and the results being announced? >> >> > First, I disagree

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for referendum

2011-08-20 Thread Philippe Beaudette
On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 12:12 PM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen < cimonav...@gmail.com> wrote: > > So why announce ridiculously unrealistic timeframe between the vote > concluding and the results being announced? > > First, I disagree that it's "ridiculously unrealistic". Vote checking has already starte

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for referendum

2011-08-20 Thread Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 9:52 PM, Risker wrote: > On 20 August 2011 14:31, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen wrote: > >> I would like to make tiny procedural point before things go any >> further, if I may, please don't let this stop the philosphical >> distractions going in any way (though perhaps better sui

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for referendum

2011-08-20 Thread Risker
On 20 August 2011 14:31, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen wrote: > I would like to make tiny procedural point before things go any > further, if I may, please don't let this stop the philosphical > distractions going in any way (though perhaps better suited in their > own thread). > > Since there is going t

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for referendum

2011-08-20 Thread Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
I would like to make tiny procedural point before things go any further, if I may, please don't let this stop the philosphical distractions going in any way (though perhaps better suited in their own thread). Since there is going to be such a short interval between the vote concluding, and the res

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for referendum

2011-08-19 Thread Kim Bruning
On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 09:00:57AM -0700, Alec Conroy wrote: > > One *big* problem we have now is: Wikipedia has won. Wikipedia is the > > encyclopedia anyone actually consults, ever. Wikipedia now defines > > what an "encyclopedia" is in popular conception. > > > > So we don't have any tail-lights

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for referendum

2011-06-30 Thread Alec Conroy
> One *big* problem we have now is: Wikipedia has won. Wikipedia is the > encyclopedia anyone actually consults, ever. Wikipedia now defines > what an "encyclopedia" is in popular conception. > > So we don't have any tail-lights to chase. What sets our direction? Well, this is now completely and u

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for referendum

2011-06-30 Thread Fred Bauder
> On 30 June 2011 12:31, Alec Conroy wrote: > >> The further we can get away from the model of elementary schools and >> towards the model of the global universities, the better. > > > +1 > > (This entire post is gold.) > > One *big* problem we have now is: Wikipedia has won. Wikipedia is the > en

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for referendum

2011-06-30 Thread David Gerard
On 30 June 2011 12:31, Alec Conroy wrote: > The further we can get away from the model of elementary schools and > towards the model of the global universities, the better. +1 (This entire post is gold.) One *big* problem we have now is: Wikipedia has won. Wikipedia is the encyclopedia anyone

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for referendum

2011-06-30 Thread Alec Conroy
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 1:35 PM, Philippe Beaudette wrote: > *Call for referendum*:  The Wikimedia Foundation, at the direction of the > Board of Trustees, will be holding a vote to determine whether members of > the community support the creation and usage of an opt-in personal image > filter, wh

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for referendum

2011-06-30 Thread David Gerard
On 30 June 2011 10:55, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: > Tom Morris, 30/06/2011 11:28: >> I'd have a problem if people started making overwrought >> comparison to Nazi book burnings too. > Wow, a reductio ad reductionem ad Hitlerum argument. Trained professional philosophers can get away with that

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for referendum

2011-06-30 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Tom Morris, 30/06/2011 11:28: > I'd have a problem if people started making overwrought > comparison to Nazi book burnings too. Wow, a reductio ad reductionem ad Hitlerum argument. Nemo ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Uns

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for referendum

2011-06-30 Thread Tom Morris
On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 02:02, Fajro wrote: > On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 9:28 PM,   wrote: > >> What am I misunderstanding? Surely there is a difference between the "filter >> bubble" that decides what content to show me on it's own, and an "opt-in" >> filter where I can decide for myself what cont

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for referendum

2011-06-29 Thread Fajro
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 9:28 PM, wrote: > What am I misunderstanding? Surely there is a difference between the "filter > bubble" that decides what content to show me on it's own, and an "opt-in" > filter where I can decide for myself what content I may or may not want to > see? yes, but you

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for referendum

2011-06-29 Thread onthebrinkandfalling
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 17:01, Fajro wrote: This remind me of this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gbi2i_Y7gSE and http://www.thefilterbubble.com/ I don't like filter bubbles. "And what's in your filter bubble depends on who you are, and it depends on what you do - but the thing is t

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for referendum

2011-06-29 Thread Fajro
This remind me of this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gbi2i_Y7gSE and http://www.thefilterbubble.com/ I don't like filter bubbles. -- Fajro ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for referendum

2011-06-29 Thread Keegan Peterzell
Precisely. On Jun 29, 2011 3:38 PM, "Wjhonson" wrote: > > One type of image being "Image of Muhammad" ? > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > From: Philippe Beaudette > To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List > Sent: Wed, Jun 29,

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for referendum

2011-06-29 Thread Wjhonson
One type of image being "Image of Muhammad" ? -Original Message- From: Philippe Beaudette To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List Sent: Wed, Jun 29, 2011 1:35 pm Subject: [Foundation-l] Call for referendum *Please distribute widely* Call for referendum*: The

[Foundation-l] Call for referendum

2011-06-29 Thread Philippe Beaudette
*Please distribute widely* * * * * *Call for referendum*: The Wikimedia Foundation, at the direction of the Board of Trustees, will be holding a vote to determine whether members of the community support the creation and usage of an opt-in personal image filter, which would allow readers to volunt