Re: [Foundation-l] Call for a moratorium on all new software developments

2010-09-09 Thread Ryan Kaldari
Sorry, I meant every audio recording of an article, not every sound file :) Ryan Kaldari On 9/9/10 10:23 AM, Ryan Kaldari wrote: > So you're saying that the community is complicit in the agenda against > itself? I guess we should just go back to the days when you had to > record a half-hour recit

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for a moratorium on all new software developments

2010-09-09 Thread Ryan Kaldari
So you're saying that the community is complicit in the agenda against itself? I guess we should just go back to the days when you had to record a half-hour recitation of the GFDL license text in every sound file hosted on Commons. For the record, I was one of the community members on the Licen

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for a moratorium on all new software developments

2010-09-09 Thread Lodewijk
OK, let me just ask you a few simple questions: * You complain that the accreditation with the no (visible?) history tab is not correct. Did you consult a lawyer or legal specialist (for example Creative Commons in your country) for their opinion about this? * The same question for the url when re

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for a moratorium on all new software developments

2010-09-09 Thread Huib Laurens
2010/9/9 Teofilo > 2010/9/7, Teofilo : > > 2010/9/7, Tim Starling : > > > >> Presumably this conspiracy would have to extend beyond the WMF to > >> PediaPress and Purodha Blissenbach, the developers of Collection and > >> mobile.wikipedia.org respectively. > > > > The absence of a history tab in

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for a moratorium on all new software developments

2010-09-08 Thread Teofilo
2010/9/7, Teofilo : > 2010/9/7, Tim Starling : > >> Presumably this conspiracy would have to extend beyond the WMF to >> PediaPress and Purodha Blissenbach, the developers of Collection and >> mobile.wikipedia.org respectively. > > The absence of a history tab in the mobile format is in my view an

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for a moratorium on all new software developments

2010-09-07 Thread Andrew Gray
On 7 September 2010 11:01, Teofilo wrote: > No and there won't be (at least from me). Because I don't know if it > is a bug or a feature. Show me the specification of the pdf tool > first. I will see if the specification says that pictures' > photographers should be credited. If the specification

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for a moratorium on all new software developments

2010-09-07 Thread George Herbert
On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 5:03 AM, Teofilo wrote: > 2010/9/7, Tim Starling : > >> Presumably this conspiracy would have to extend beyond the WMF to >> PediaPress and Purodha Blissenbach, the developers of Collection and >> mobile.wikipedia.org respectively. > > The absence of a history tab in the mob

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for a moratorium on all new software developments

2010-09-07 Thread Bod Notbod
On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 1:03 PM, Teofilo wrote: > (1) [His] theory seeks to show that social agents develop strategies > which are adapted to the needs of the social worlds that they inhabit. Strikes me that having a strategy that is adapted to your world is probably quite useful. For example, Wi

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for a moratorium on all new software developments

2010-09-07 Thread David Gerard
On 7 September 2010 13:03, Teofilo wrote: > Let's not call this a conspiracy. You already did: "I think it is partly thoughtlessness, partly an agenda to remove contributor's names from wherever is possible, so that the WMF can dominate the contents and do whatever it wants with them without t

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for a moratorium on all new software developments

2010-09-07 Thread Teofilo
2010/9/7, Tim Starling : > Presumably this conspiracy would have to extend beyond the WMF to > PediaPress and Purodha Blissenbach, the developers of Collection and > mobile.wikipedia.org respectively. The absence of a history tab in the mobile format is in my view an exact measurement of the temp

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for a moratorium on all new software developments

2010-09-07 Thread Chad
On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 7:25 AM, Teofilo wrote: > 2010/9/7, Kropotkine_113 : >> There is absolutely nothing wrong with it on french Wikipedia. > > My interpretation : French admins are happy to see their powers > increased, and to mimic oversighters with it. You don't seem to understand how the fe

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for a moratorium on all new software developments

2010-09-07 Thread Teofilo
2010/9/7, Kropotkine_113 : > There is absolutely nothing wrong with it on french Wikipedia. My interpretation : French admins are happy to see their powers increased, and to mimic oversighters with it. Non-admins, especially newly-registered ones might be too shy or not aware that they are allowed

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for a moratorium on all new software developments

2010-09-07 Thread Tim Starling
On 07/09/10 20:01, Teofilo wrote: > 2010/9/7, Tim Starling : >> >> If you don't like it, you can request that it be switched off, using >> Bugzilla. You will need to demonstrate that the community is in favour >> of such an action. > > This is not proactive. Giving more power to the admins is a >

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for a moratorium on all new software developments

2010-09-07 Thread Rodan Bury
2010/9/7 K. Peachey > > RevDel replaced Oversight (a extension), and little changed overall > between then, it features two deletion levels, one that hides it from > standard users (admins and higher still have access to it) and one > that hides it from everyone except oversight which leaves no vi

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for a moratorium on all new software developments

2010-09-07 Thread Kropotkine_113
Le mardi 07 septembre 2010 à 20:18 +1000, K. Peachey a écrit : > On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Teofilo wrote: > Is there something wrong with this on the french wikipedia? then you > should submit a bug request so people actually know and can work on > getting it set correctly There is absolut

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for a moratorium on all new software developments

2010-09-07 Thread K. Peachey
On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Teofilo wrote: > This is not proactive. Giving more power to the admins is a > constitutional change. Usually a constitutional change requires a > referendum beforehand (An amendment to the United States Constitution > must be ratified by 3/4 of the state legislatur

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for a moratorium on all new software developments

2010-09-07 Thread Teofilo
2010/9/7, Tim Starling : > > If you don't like it, you can request that it be switched off, using > Bugzilla. You will need to demonstrate that the community is in favour > of such an action. This is not proactive. Giving more power to the admins is a constitutional change. Usually a constitutiona

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for a moratorium on all new software developments

2010-09-06 Thread MZMcBride
Liam Wyatt wrote: > In order to rid ourselves of all this harmful software I propose that we > extend this moratorium and dispose with the need for software at all. Instead, > we should build the world's first carrier pigeon-based encyclopedia. I think this would be funnier if the Wikimedia Founda

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for a moratorium on all new software developments

2010-09-06 Thread Tim Starling
On 06/09/10 20:33, Teofilo wrote: > During the past few years, the new softwares of the Wikimedia > Foundations have been developped in a too much anarchic way. > > * They are sometimes implemented as a whim of a few WMF big wheels, > without consulting the user communities. https://bugzilla.wik

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for a moratorium on all new software developments

2010-09-06 Thread Victor Vasiliev
On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 2:33 PM, Teofilo wrote: > Conclusion : Because more software means more harm, I call for a > moratorium (1 year? 6 months ?) on all new software developpements. > During that time the developpers should be allowed to repair only > obvious and urgent bugs. A brief examinatio

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for a moratorium on all new software developments

2010-09-06 Thread Liam Wyatt
On 06/09/2010, at 11:23, Bod Notbod wrote: > On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 11:33 AM, Teofilo wrote: > >> Conclusion : Because more software means more harm... > > Your premises don't seem to support quite such a sweeping conclusion. > In order to rid ourselves of all this harmful software I propose

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for a moratorium on all new software developments

2010-09-06 Thread Peter Coombe
On 6 September 2010 11:33, Teofilo wrote: > > * We are never shown specifications defining the goals of the planned > softwares, which makes me doubt such specifications are ever written. > With specifications being written and published, problems could be > talked in a proactive way. > Also, I d

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for a moratorium on all new software developments

2010-09-06 Thread Peter Coombe
On 6 September 2010 11:33, Teofilo wrote: > * The developpers have enabled for every Admin of the French > Wikipedia, the possibility to mask (and exert acts of censorship) > without needing to be an oversighter (1) Which means that the policy > page at [[:fr:Wikipédia:Masqueur d'adresses IP]] (mo

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for a moratorium on all new software developments

2010-09-06 Thread Bod Notbod
On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 11:33 AM, Teofilo wrote: > Conclusion : Because more software means more harm... Your premises don't seem to support quite such a sweeping conclusion. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: h

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for a moratorium on all new software developments

2010-09-06 Thread K. Peachey
On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 8:33 PM, Teofilo wrote: > During the past few years, the new softwares of the Wikimedia > Foundations have been developped in a too much anarchic way. > > * They are sometimes implemented as a whim of a few WMF big wheels, > without consulting the user communities. > > * We

[Foundation-l] Call for a moratorium on all new software developments

2010-09-06 Thread Teofilo
During the past few years, the new softwares of the Wikimedia Foundations have been developped in a too much anarchic way. * They are sometimes implemented as a whim of a few WMF big wheels, without consulting the user communities. * We are never shown specifications defining the goals of the pl