Re: [Foundation-l] Board letter about fundraising and chapters

On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 9:31 AM, David Gerard wrote: > On 6 August 2011 00:26, John Vandenberg wrote: > >> And in doing so, the WMF wont have the benefit of the donations that >> are made because the donor responds well to the fact they know in >> advance that the money goes to a local organisatio

Re: [Foundation-l] Board letter about fundraising and chapters

On 8/6/2011 4:00 PM, Florence Devouard wrote: > On 8/6/11 1:36 AM, Michael Snow wrote: >> On 8/5/2011 4:26 PM, John Vandenberg wrote: >>> On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 8:06 AM, Michael Snow >>> wrote: .. Honestly, I must say that it is a colossal disappointment to find that with all the post

Re: [Foundation-l] Board letter about fundraising and chapters

On 8/6/11 1:36 AM, Michael Snow wrote: > On 8/5/2011 4:26 PM, John Vandenberg wrote: >> On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 8:06 AM, Michael Snow wrote: >>> .. Honestly, I must say that it >>> is a colossal disappointment to find that with all the posts I've seen >>> both here and on internal-l, nobody has ye

Re: [Foundation-l] Board letter about fundraising and chapters

On Aug 6, 2011, at 3:14 AM, Samuel Klein wrote: > Hello MZM, thanks for taking a start at new pages to illustrate the > discussion on Meta. > > MZMcBride writes: > . > > >> Anyone who thinks that this particular issue >> is outside of this list's scope is insane. Using internal-l as a sub

Re: [Foundation-l] Board letter about fundraising and chapters

On Aug 6, 2011, at 2:41 AM, Samuel Klein wrote: > Hello Birgitte, > > Thank you for these comments and edits/suggestions. [all: please also > post suggestions on Meta. most people are not subscribed to this > list.] > > This Board letter was published on short notice. Once it was clear >

Re: [Foundation-l] Board letter about fundraising and chapters

Hi, I've got an awkward feeling toward this whole thread. I'll try to explain why. For years, every single discussion has been WMF versus the chapters. few years ago it kinda made sense as we had so different issues and we were trying to codify the relationship between our organizations through a

Re: [Foundation-l] Board letter about fundraising and chapters

The more I read the Board's letter the more difficult I find it to interpret. There's one reading on which it says only a few (albeit important) things that aren't already in the 2011 Fundraising Agreements. There is another reading in which it says that actually no chapters will be participating i

Re: [Foundation-l] Board letter about fundraising and chapters

Hello MZM, thanks for taking a start at new pages to illustrate the discussion on Meta. MZMcBride writes: > I fail to see how violating the community's principles of transparency and > accountability by keeping everything on a non-public list is any better. I > just hope nobody's discussing anyt

Re: [Foundation-l] Board letter about fundraising and chapters

Hello Birgitte, Thank you for these comments and edits/suggestions. [all: please also post suggestions on Meta. most people are not subscribed to this list.] This Board letter was published on short notice. Once it was clear that the issue should be raised and discussed this year, we wanted to

Re: [Foundation-l] Board letter about fundraising and chapters

On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 3:55 PM, phoebe ayers wrote: > ... > > We are quite concerned that some chapters who have signed fundraising > agreements (now and in the past) have actually been unable to live up their > requirements of reporting on time and meeting other needs; however, we > expect all pa

Re: [Foundation-l] Board letter about fundraising and chapters

On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 6:42 AM, Michael Snow wrote: > On 8/5/2011 7:17 PM, Nathan wrote: > > John's e-mail reads like a suggestion that the Foundation negotiated > > in bad faith. I hope this isn't the case, although the references made > > to consulting with outside auditors and meetings of the

Re: [Foundation-l] Board letter about fundraising and chapters

On 8/5/2011 7:17 PM, Nathan wrote: > John's e-mail reads like a suggestion that the Foundation negotiated > in bad faith. I hope this isn't the case, although the references made > to consulting with outside auditors and meetings of the Audit > Committee suggest this decision may have been conceive

Re: [Foundation-l] Board letter about fundraising and chapters

Just to follow on from what John Vandenberg said, WMAU's fundraising report, including all the facts and figures, was posted way way back at the beginning of February. While there were some minor differences of opinion between WMF and WMAU about some of the recommendations made, there was no conce

Re: [Foundation-l] Board letter about fundraising and chapters

John's e-mail reads like a suggestion that the Foundation negotiated in bad faith. I hope this isn't the case, although the references made to consulting with outside auditors and meetings of the Audit Committee suggest this decision may have been conceived prior to the Fundraising Summit. Perhaps

Re: [Foundation-l] Board letter about fundraising and chapters

On Aug 5, 2011, at 3:32 AM, phoebe ayers wrote: > > ==Design principles==* > > Our design principles for improving the fundraising model are: > > * We are deeply committed to decentralized pursuit of our mission and to > supporting the long-term sustainability of chapters and other movemen

[Foundation-l] Board letter about fundraising and chapters

Sorry if this a duplicate but I didn't receive it even though my later email came through Begin forwarded message: > From: birgitte...@yahoo.com > Date: August 5, 2011 7:07:02 PM CDT > To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List > Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Board letter abou

Re: [Foundation-l] Board letter about fundraising and chapters

On Aug 5, 2011, at 6:45 PM, MZMcBride wrote: . > > People bring up the forum because this (foundation-l) is the central list > for the Wikimedia Foundation. Anyone who thinks that this particular issue > is outside of this list's scope is insane. Using internal-l as a substitute > for an open

Re: [Foundation-l] Board letter about fundraising and chapters

On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 9:39 AM, MZMcBride wrote: > Michael Snow wrote: >> .. Doesn't anybody here know >> how to use a wiki? > > I do! > > Not having been able to find a chart so far, I created my own: > . > > The list of chapters is derive

Re: [Foundation-l] Board letter about fundraising and chapters

Michael Snow wrote: > On 8/5/2011 4:26 PM, John Vandenberg wrote: >> On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 8:06 AM, Michael Snow wrote: >>> .. Honestly, I must say that it >>> is a colossal disappointment to find that with all the posts I've seen >>> both here and on internal-l, nobody has yet made a single edit

Re: [Foundation-l] Board letter about fundraising and chapters

David Gerard wrote: > On 6 August 2011 00:26, John Vandenberg wrote: >> Perhaps I should post those private conversations to the wiki so we can use >> the wiki to discuss the real problem: how the WMF is implementing the >> improvement. > > Violating confidentiality? Tch. I fail to see how viola

Re: [Foundation-l] Board letter about fundraising and chapters

Michael Snow wrote: > That being said, when it comes to discussing the guiding principles for > things like fundraising, or the relationships between the foundation and > chapters collectively, I do think it would be better to have more of > that discussion open to the entire community. In terms of

Re: [Foundation-l] Board letter about fundraising and chapters

On 8/5/2011 4:26 PM, John Vandenberg wrote: > On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 8:06 AM, Michael Snow wrote: >> .. Honestly, I must say that it >> is a colossal disappointment to find that with all the posts I've seen >> both here and on internal-l, nobody has yet made a single edit to the >> talk page on Me

Re: [Foundation-l] Board letter about fundraising and chapters

On 6 August 2011 00:26, John Vandenberg wrote: > And in doing so, the WMF wont have the benefit of the donations that > are made because the donor responds well to the fact they know in > advance that the money goes to a local organisation - an organisation > which is accountable to the local reg

Re: [Foundation-l] Board letter about fundraising and chapters

On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 8:06 AM, Michael Snow wrote: > .. Honestly, I must say that it > is a colossal disappointment to find that with all the posts I've seen > both here and on internal-l, nobody has yet made a single edit to the > talk page on Meta where the letter was posted. Doesn't anybody he

Re: [Foundation-l] Board letter about fundraising and chapters

Many chapters are shocked at this announcement, and there is a likely conversation on internal-l, which has followed after a blog conversation which was reported in the Signpost (see first item in "News in brief"). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2011-08-01/News_and_notes

Re: [Foundation-l] Board letter about fundraising and chapters

] Board letter about fundraising and chapters On 8/5/2011 2:22 PM, Nathan wrote: > Beria, I don't think your views on transparency as stated mesh all > that well with the character of this list. I'd suspect the same is > true of the wider community of editors and donors;

Re: [Foundation-l] Board letter about fundraising and chapters

On 8/5/2011 2:22 PM, Nathan wrote: > Beria, I don't think your views on transparency as stated mesh all > that well with the character of this list. I'd suspect the same is > true of the wider community of editors and donors; the assertion that > details be discussed in private is both improper and

Re: [Foundation-l] Board letter about fundraising and chapters

You don't need to defend me Theo. Nathan and MZM: If you want to know how much each chapter has earned and spent, there are reports (nathan himself pointed to the page). If you have any questions about Internal-l adress it to internal-l-ow...@list.wikimedia.org (I'm sure they will answer you) If

Re: [Foundation-l] Board letter about fundraising and chapters

Other than that Beria is the person to whom I was replying, I suppose. On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 5:27 PM, Theo10011 wrote: > Nathan, there is no reason to single out Beria. She at least responded to > the questions. There are a lot of people reading this who didn't and have > far more authority to c

Re: [Foundation-l] Board letter about fundraising and chapters

Nathan, there is no reason to single out Beria. She at least responded to the questions. There are a lot of people reading this who didn't and have far more authority to comment on the matter than her. Theo On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 2:52 AM, Nathan wrote: > Beria, I don't think your views on trans

Re: [Foundation-l] Board letter about fundraising and chapters

Also, the spreadsheet Beria linked (https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Av5TeXEyGuvpdGRyNDJHS19RZmRqbWlqeHp5ak5uWnc&authkey=CKb59_wD&hl=pt_PT#gid=0) shows how much money was received by from each region, but not how much was distributed to the chapters (or so I'm guessing, since th

Re: [Foundation-l] Board letter about fundraising and chapters

Beria, I don't think your views on transparency as stated mesh all that well with the character of this list. I'd suspect the same is true of the wider community of editors and donors; the assertion that details be discussed in private is both improper and at distinct odds with the history of the W

Re: [Foundation-l] Board letter about fundraising and chapters

On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 12:12 AM, Béria Lima wrote: > If they do revoke (which they can, because do report are part of Chapter > Agreement), will be also a private discussion. I do understand your people > curiosity to know what they discusses, but all the relevant info are public. > Only particula

Re: [Foundation-l] Board letter about fundraising and chapters

If they do revoke (which they can, because do report are part of Chapter Agreement), will be also a private discussion. I do understand your people curiosity to know what they discusses, but all the relevant info are public. Only particular details are handle in private _ *Béria Lima*

Re: [Foundation-l] Board letter about fundraising and chapters

On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 11:54 PM, Béria Lima wrote: > I sugguest you to go tough chapters report and ask what they are doing with > the money they receive in Fundraising. They need to be transparent about > what they are doing, but WMF does not have a "policy" status over that. Well, right now man

Re: [Foundation-l] Board letter about fundraising and chapters

> > *Where did the money come from? I think it unambiguously concerns people > who are part of the Wikimedia community (broadly defined), seeing as they > were the ones to donate the money. > * 1. People who donate money are mostly NOT on fundation-l and 2. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Reports

Re: [Foundation-l] Board letter about fundraising and chapters

Béria Lima wrote: > The discussion in Internal-l is case-to-case and don't concern people who > are not involved in the chapter in discussion or WMF. Where did the money come from? I think it unambiguously concerns people who are part of the Wikimedia community (broadly defined), seeing as they we

Re: [Foundation-l] Board letter about fundraising and chapters

The discussion in Internal-l is case-to-case and don't concern people who are not involved in the chapter in discussion or WMF. And - again - WMF don't "give money to chapters" in fundraising. The chapter earn it alone. And the only thing to be in the way is the fundraising agreement. Who - again

Re: [Foundation-l] Board letter about fundraising and chapters

Béria Lima wrote: > WMF *can't *ask money back from Chapters. By the agreement, Chapters who > participate in last year Fundraising need to give 50% of everything they > raised to WMF, but they are not forced to do anything more. And WMF can't > ask for more than that because there are 2 different

Re: [Foundation-l] Board letter about fundraising and chapters

MZM, WMF *can't *ask money back from Chapters. By the agreement, Chapters who participate in last year Fundraising need to give 50% of everything they raised to WMF, but they are not forced to do anything more. And WMF can't ask for more than that because there are 2 different organizations. _

Re: [Foundation-l] Board letter about fundraising and chapters

phoebe ayers wrote: > The Board of Trustees has recently reviewed our fundraising model and issues > related to the way donor funds are received. This review followed detailed > discussions among the Board's Audit Committee and with our outside auditors, > which highlighted issues about the level o

[Foundation-l] Board letter about fundraising and chapters

All, At the recent Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees meeting at Wikimania, the Board approved sending the following letter regarding concerns with our shared fundraising practice, and outlining principles for future fundraising practices. This will also be posted at http://meta.wikimedia.org