On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 6:14 AM, Nikola Smolenski wrote:
> wiki-li...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote:
> > wjhon...@aol.com wrote:
> >> The image is in the public domain. That's the point.
> >> Public means all public, not limited to the whims of what the boundary
> of a certain
> >> country might be tod
wiki-li...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote:
> This entire discussion is concerned not with the work per se but with
> particular digital encodings of the work. Where some seem to think that
> just because the work is PD there is a right to all encodings of that
> work. If that isn't what is being claime
wiki-li...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote:
> wjhon...@aol.com wrote:
>> The image is in the public domain. That's the point.
>> Public means all public, not limited to the whims of what the boundary of a
>> certain
>> country might be today.
>
> Suppose someone goes into the Louvre not with a camera bu
On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 19:22, wrote:
> Where some seem to think that
> just because the work is PD there is a right to all encodings of that
> work.
>
To use an extreme hypothetical example: The novel "Pride and Prejudice" is
in the public domain. It will take me a long time to retype the enti
I think everyone is probably a bit tired of this topic so this will be my last
response.
You keep positing that someone is espousing that the museums have to actively
participate in providing copies of something to someone.? Has somebody claimed
that?? If they did, it wasn't me.? I have never c
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> The image is in
wjhon...@aol.com wrote:
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> The image is in the public domain. That's the point.
> Public means all public, not limited to the whims of what the boundary of a
> certain
> country might be today.
>
Suppose someone goes into the Louvre not with a camera but with a laser
scanner. they digitize t
Teofilo wrote:
> I should have said it in my previous message : the first and foremost
> priority for France, is that Government-owned museums allow visitors
> who paid their entrance ticket to carry a camera and take pictures of
> paintings and sculptures when the painters and sculptors died more
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Marco Chiesa wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 4:55 PM, Teofilo wrote:
>
>> I should have said it in my previous message : the first and foremost
>> priority for France, is that Government-owned museums allow visitors
>> who paid their entrance ticket to carry a camera and take pictures of
>> pai
On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 4:55 PM, Teofilo wrote:
> I should have said it in my previous message : the first and foremost
> priority for France, is that Government-owned museums allow visitors
> who paid their entrance ticket to carry a camera and take pictures of
> paintings and sculptures when the
That was not the right link. Good link :
http://web.archive.org/web/20050208203749/http://www.museeguimet.fr/pages/page_id18315_u1l2.htm
2009/9/30, Teofilo :
> (1)
> http://web.archive.org/web/20050305062057/www.museeguimet.fr/homes/home_id20392_u1l2.htm
I should have said it in my previous message : the first and foremost
priority for France, is that Government-owned museums allow visitors
who paid their entrance ticket to carry a camera and take pictures of
paintings and sculptures when the painters and sculptors died more
than 70 years ago.
In
2009/9/30 :
> David Gerard wrote:
>> But getting back to the case in question - we're talking about the
>> sort of museum that's actually a government sub-department. Thus,
>> public domain images that the taxpayer has *already paid for*. I see
>> nothing whatsoever unreasonable about the idea of
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David Gerard wrote:
> 2009/9/28 :
>
>>
David Gerard wrote:
> 2009/9/28 :
>
>> From the earlier poster Teofilo:
>>I disagree. I think the priority is to have the full
>>resolution pictures of Public Domain works.
>> That seems to be a demand to have the highest resolution copies possible.
>
>
> That sets it out as a goal, no
But they have not changed the license to the pictures. What they have
only done is changed the rights to part of the documentation: the
basic info needed to say what it is is CC-BY-SA, which is very good,
the long explanation and provenance information is NC, which is
acceptable. I fail to see how
On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 9:35 PM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen wrote:
> David Gerard wrote:
> > 2009/9/28 :
> >
> >
> >> From the earlier poster Teofilo:
> >>I disagree. I think the priority is to have the full
> >>resolution pictures of Public Domain works.
> >> That seems to be a demand to ha
Hoi,
The question is if they get it. As it is published for the first time they
could claim copyright.
Thanks,
GerardM
2009/9/28 Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
> David Gerard wrote:
> > 2009/9/28 :
> >
> >
> >> From the earlier poster Teofilo:
> >>I disagree. I think the priority is to have th
David Gerard wrote:
> 2009/9/28 :
>
>
>> From the earlier poster Teofilo:
>>I disagree. I think the priority is to have the full
>>resolution pictures of Public Domain works.
>> That seems to be a demand to have the highest resolution copies possible.
>>
>
>
> That sets it out as
2009/9/28 :
> From the earlier poster Teofilo:
> I disagree. I think the priority is to have the full
> resolution pictures of Public Domain works.
> That seems to be a demand to have the highest resolution copies possible.
That sets it out as a goal, not a demand.
But getting back to t
In a message dated 9/27/2009 5:51:07 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
wiki-li...@phizz.demon.co.uk writes:
> I disagree. I think the priority is to have the full
> resolution pictures of Public Domain works.
>
> That seems to be a demand to have the highest resolution copies possible.>>
>
>
wjhon...@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 9/27/2009 1:29:03 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> wiki-li...@phizz.demon.co.uk writes:
>
>
>> I have a reproduction of Rembrandt's "Toby and Anna" whilst that
>> doesn't give the producer of the reproduction the right to stop me
>> making copies from i
In a message dated 9/27/2009 1:29:03 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
wiki-li...@phizz.demon.co.uk writes:
> I have a reproduction of Rembrandt's "Toby and Anna" whilst that
> doesn't give the producer of the reproduction the right to stop me
> making copies from it, it also doesn't give me or you s
wjhon...@aol.com wrote:
> I thought that the recent U.S. Supreme Court decision basically was that a
> reproduction like this enjoys no new copyright ?
>
I have a reproduction of Rembrandt's "Toby and Anna" whilst that
doesn't give the producer of the reproduction the right to stop me
making
I thought that the recent U.S. Supreme Court decision basically was that a
reproduction like this enjoys no new copyright ?
W.J.
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Teofilo wrote:
> David Monniaux said : "release lower resolution pictures under free
> license, keep high resolution pictures (those suitable for art books,
> posters and so on) proprietary."
>
> I disagree. I think the priority is to have the full resolution
> pictures of Public Domain works. Bec
My reaction to this report is tears, because it is terrible : they use
the keyword "public domain" only once, talking about a set of 4500
American Library of Congress pictures on Flickr (1), only to
contradict it a few lines below when they talk about "rights holder"
for the works by Ingres (2), a
I think our prioritory focus should the Public Domain, not least
because the new (undisclosed yet) "digital clause" to be used on
French governement GLAM websites will be experimentally tested on the
website of the Claude Monet exhibition at Grand Palais in Paris from
October 2010 to January 2011.
Hello GerardM,
I follow you on the multilingual issue. Some of the manyfold copyright
symbols I quoted in my previous message might apply to the annotating
text, and let alive creative text writers have the possibility to sell
their text for money. But that should not allow them to add a
copyright
David Monniaux said: "only in 2006 it was established for sure that
rights to works
done by civil servants as part of their duties belonged to their employer;"
No, it is the opposite. The new French Intellectual Property Code says
that the civil servant author remains the copyright owner of his wo
Hoi,
The world is not so simple. When we accept material from a GLAM in a low
resolution, we should be happy with what we get. When a GLAM considers this
an acceptance that this material is copyrightable they are wrong. When we
accept material we get it with annotations, we get it with all the aspe
2009/9/25 Teofilo :
> I disagree. I think the priority is to have the full resolution
> pictures of Public Domain works. Because this is what the French
> copyright law is saying. There is no need to negociate anything. There
> is no need to change a single word from the current French copyright
>
David Monniaux said : "release lower resolution pictures under free
license, keep high resolution pictures (those suitable for art books,
posters and so on) proprietary."
I disagree. I think the priority is to have the full resolution
pictures of Public Domain works. Because this is what the Frenc
Well done!
That sounds like the most constructive engagement any part of the
overall project has had on opening up large swaths of external
content, that I can recall.
Congratulations to everyone involved in France.
--
-george william herbert
george.herb...@gmail.com
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I have, and it's linked to
http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Quality#Content_Partnerships
which is the page on content partnerships. :-)
Philippe
On Sep 22, 2009, at 3:06 PM, Sue Gardner wrote:
> Yann, thanks for this -- it's useful. Can I ask, have you or David
> put yourselves forward f
Yann, thanks for this -- it's useful. Can I ask, have you or David
put yourselves forward for the strategy project? I don't know who the
best person for it would be, but it looks like the strategy project
will have a task force dedicated to exactly this topic (cultural
partnerships) and the experi
Hello, I think this is worth a larger audience. Yann
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Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 18:51:12 +0200
From: David Monniaux
To: common...@lists.wikimedia.org
Since its fou
Hoi,
The most important part of the multi lingual problem is not in the
description but is in finding a picture of a subject. It means that we have
to have a functional and searchable termbase. The key to enabling the use of
Commons is help in finding pictures on a subject. This does not need much
Hoi,
Annotating material is important at the same level as providing citations in
our text. Annotation provides provenance and why should we believe the
"truth" in a picture on Commons. Even the Commons picture of the year has
been heavily photoshopped. It is only a credible picture because of the
2009/7/16 Robert Rohde :
> Making many languages available is a good thing, but formatting the
> page to highlight a user declared preference would usually also be a
> good thing.
Agreed. I have recently prepared a simple JS script to hide other
languages in the {{Picture of the day}} template. (Y
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 6:15 AM, Gregory Maxwell wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 9:02 AM, Magnus
> Manske wrote:
>> On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 10:13 PM, Gerard
>> Meijssen wrote:
>>> Hoi,
>>> OK, there are *many* pictures of a marc'h on Commons... Now pretend that you
>>> cannot find what this is in
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 9:02 AM, Magnus
Manske wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 10:13 PM, Gerard
> Meijssen wrote:
>> Hoi,
>> OK, there are *many* pictures of a marc'h on Commons... Now pretend that you
>> cannot find what this is in English. Try to find it on Commons.
>
> Noone disputes that this
On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 10:13 PM, Gerard
Meijssen wrote:
> Hoi,
> OK, there are *many* pictures of a marc'h on Commons... Now pretend that you
> cannot find what this is in English. Try to find it on Commons.
Noone disputes that this is a problem. And if we had an unlimited
number of volunteers fl
If I understand you correctly this is a term base with fixed terms used
to describe the images. Such term bases are very common in archives, and
often they are standardized.
Often it is possible to translate between two sets of terms, that is
some terms will match with our categories, but if this
On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 4:21 PM, Geoffrey Plourde wrote:
> This is pictures right? I fail to see how pictures aren't useable to
> everyone, as they are universal.
files*
It's not about *using* the files, it's about *using* Wikimedia
Commons. It's great that we can use pictures because they
"uni
I wrote:
>> [...]
>> I got another, loosely idea: Could we use the language templates in
>> the descriptions to build a "missing matrix" of translations, for
>> translators? I speak English and German; I would like to see images
>> that only have a German description, and translate it to English.
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> Hoi,
> The current practice is to upload large collections with a category that is
> specific to the material it came from. New categories are matched to
> existing
This is pictures right? I fail to see how pictures aren't useable to everyone,
as they are universal.
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Hoi
Magnus Manske wrote:
> [...]
> I got another, loosely idea: Could we use the language templates in
> the descriptions to build a "missing matrix" of translations, for
> translators? I speak English and German; I would like to see images
> that only have a German description, and translate it to E
Hoi,
The current practice is to upload large collections with a category that is
specific to the material it came from. New categories are matched to
existing categories and they are merged. So uploading them as they are IS
nothing new. The problem is that when material is included that is not
Engl
Hi,
I think the questions to ask are:
* How many Indonesians speak Dutch, compared to those that speak English?
* When you try to translate to Indonesian (a laudable goal), will you
have more chances to find translators with Dutch and English, rather
than with just Dutch?
The (obvious) answers
On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 3:04 PM, Gerard
Meijssen wrote:
> Hoi,
> How does it help to find material in Commons when you do not know English ??
> Practically it is nice that we spend money on improving the upload facility
> of MediaWiki. In the end it makes no difference when you cannot find the
> im
Hoi,
How does it help to find material in Commons when you do not know English ??
Practically it is nice that we spend money on improving the upload facility
of MediaWiki. In the end it makes no difference when you cannot find the
images. Functionally Commons is useless as a consequence to all the
On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 2:34 PM, Gerard
Meijssen wrote:
> Hoi,
> Why should the term base be translated ? Is it not more important to be
> gained by getting all this material in the public domain ??
>
> I do however agree with you. All the material that is about Indonesia should
> be translated to
On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 2:34 PM, Gerard
Meijssen wrote:
> Hoi,
> Why should the term base be translated ? Is it not more important to be
> gained by getting all this material in the public domain ??
>
> I do however agree with you. All the material that is about Indonesia should
> be translated to
Hoi,
Why should the term base be translated ? Is it not more important to be
gained by getting all this material in the public domain ??
I do however agree with you. All the material that is about Indonesia should
be translated to Indonesian. For them it is very much the opening up of
material tha
At least the term base should be translated.
John
Gerard Meijssen wrote:
> Hoi,
> I have been in discussion with the Tropenmuseum in Amsterdam about making
> their material available on Commons. The Tropenmuseum has an important
> collection on the colonial past of the Netherlands and contains a r
Hoi,
I have been in discussion with the Tropenmuseum in Amsterdam about making
their material available on Commons. The Tropenmuseum has an important
collection on the colonial past of the Netherlands and contains a rich
collection on Suriname and Indonesia. The initial talks are about 100.000
imag
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