Re: [Foundation-l] Stopping the presses: Britannica to stop printing books

2012-03-14 Thread Nikola Smolenski
On 14/03/12 13:17, Milos Rancic wrote: There is ~20 volumes Serbian Encyclopedia in progress, likely to be finished around 2050. I have no idea what would be the purpose of that Milos, please. It will likely be finished around 2025. paper encyclopedia at that time, but I know that it is getti

Re: [Foundation-l] News from Germany: White Bags and thinking about a fork

2011-10-23 Thread Nikola Smolenski
On Sun, 2011-10-23 at 10:31 +0200, Tobias Oelgarte wrote: > Am 23.10.2011 08:49, schrieb Nikola Smolenski: > > On Sat, 2011-10-22 at 23:35 +0200, Tobias Oelgarte wrote: > >> Why? Because it is against the basic rules of the project. It is > >> intended to discriminate

Re: [Foundation-l] News from Germany: White Bags and thinking about a fork

2011-10-22 Thread Nikola Smolenski
On Sat, 2011-10-22 at 23:35 +0200, Tobias Oelgarte wrote: > Am 22.10.2011 23:23, schrieb Nikola Smolenski: > > On Sat, 2011-10-22 at 21:16 +0100, David Gerard wrote: > >> "Both the opinion poll itself and its proposal were accepted. In > >> contrary to the decision

Re: [Foundation-l] News from Germany: White Bags and thinking about a fork

2011-10-22 Thread Nikola Smolenski
On Sat, 2011-10-22 at 22:56 +0100, David Gerard wrote: > And, in detail, why is a hide/show all solution inadequate? What is > the use case this does not serve? Are you even trying to pretend to be serious? Use case: me reading an article. It is my impression that you are pushing for this hide/sh

Re: [Foundation-l] News from Germany: White Bags and thinking about a fork

2011-10-22 Thread Nikola Smolenski
On Sat, 2011-10-22 at 22:27 +0100, David Gerard wrote: > On 22 October 2011 22:23, Nikola Smolenski wrote: > > I wanted to say this for a long time, and now seems like a good > > opportunity. I see this as a tyranny of the majority. I understand that > > a large majorit

Re: [Foundation-l] News from Germany: White Bags and thinking about a fork

2011-10-22 Thread Nikola Smolenski
On Sat, 2011-10-22 at 21:16 +0100, David Gerard wrote: > "Both the opinion poll itself and its proposal were accepted. In > contrary to the decision of the Board of Trustees of the Wikimedia > Foundation, personal image filters should not be introduced in > German-speaking wikipedia and categories

Re: [Foundation-l] Dead Sea Scrolls

2011-09-29 Thread Nikola Smolenski
On 29/09/11 04:12, Anthony wrote: > On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 8:34 AM, Nikola Smolenski wrote: >> On 28/09/11 13:44, Anthony wrote: >>> On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 11:52 PM, Nikola Smolenski >>> wrote: >>>> The photograph does not constitute an origin or beg

Re: [Foundation-l] Dead Sea Scrolls

2011-09-28 Thread Nikola Smolenski
On 28/09/11 13:44, Anthony wrote: > On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 11:52 PM, Nikola Smolenski wrote: >> The photograph does not constitute an origin or beginning. > > Sure it does. Is there any such thing as an "original photograph"? Yes there is, and this isn't it. >

Re: [Foundation-l] Dead Sea Scrolls

2011-09-27 Thread Nikola Smolenski
On Tue, 2011-09-27 at 20:07 -0400, Anthony wrote: > UK requires originality. But it's not at all clear that a photograph > of something out of copyright is unoriginal (even if that something is > "two dimensional"). > > By the common meaning of the word "original", I'd say the photograph > *is* o

Re: [Foundation-l] Image filter

2011-09-23 Thread Nikola Smolenski
On 23/09/11 16:08, David Gerard wrote: > On 23 September 2011 14:57, Stephen Bain wrote: >> The dewiki poll had 300 participants, the one on meta over 23,000. > > There was a poll on meta which asked "do you want the filter"? I'd > love a link to it. Surely, if a significant percentage of the 23,

Re: [Foundation-l] A Wikimedia project has forked

2011-09-22 Thread Nikola Smolenski
On 22/09/11 14:53, Michael Peel wrote: > >> From: Nikola Smolenski >> On 22/09/11 10:12, Andrea Zanni wrote: >>> when Sue presented us the Strategic Plan and Wikipedia was all over the >>> pages, >>> but none of the sister projects. >> >> I ha

Re: [Foundation-l] A Wikimedia project has forked

2011-09-22 Thread Nikola Smolenski
On 22/09/11 10:12, Andrea Zanni wrote: > when Sue presented us the Strategic Plan and Wikipedia was all over the > pages, > but none of the sister projects. I have to say, whenever I make a presentation of Wikimedia and mention sister projects, all I get is blank stares. It really makes sense to

Re: [Foundation-l] On Wikinews

2011-09-18 Thread Nikola Smolenski
On 16/09/11 20:59, Ray Saintonge wrote: > Wikinews needs to redefine its role. Scooping the big news stories of > the day isn't it ... not as long as Wikipedia can begin developing a I was thinking along the same lines. Science news that aren't dumbed down? ___

Re: [Foundation-l] On curiosity, cats and scapegoats

2011-09-14 Thread Nikola Smolenski
On 14/09/11 19:56, Kim Bruning wrote: > Why else would you need to hide things from yourself, if not because > somewhere in your past, you learned that it was "wrong" or > "uncomfortable" to look at? Because somewhere in your past, you found out that it was wrong or uncomfortable to look at. You

Re: [Foundation-l] The systematic and codified bias against non-Western articles on Wikinews

2011-09-07 Thread Nikola Smolenski
On 07/09/11 09:33, pi zero wrote: >> I'm proud of Wikinews. We're so damn good at teaching how to write, a > university journalism professor is assigning us to his students as homework. This is being done on Wikipedia regularly without any extra bureaucratic overhead. __

Re: [Foundation-l] The systematic and codified bias against non-Western articles on Wikinews

2011-09-06 Thread Nikola Smolenski
On 06/09/11 13:32, Thomas Dalton wrote: > On 6 September 2011 05:53, Shii wrote: >> I am an American Wikipedia administrator living in Japan. Recently, as >> you may have seen on the news (but not Wikinews), Japan got a new >> prime minister. I watched his press conference and decided to grace >>

Re: [Foundation-l] Sue Gardener, Wikipedia's leading editor - wikileaks

2011-09-06 Thread Nikola Smolenski
On 06/09/11 10:49, Marcin Cieslak wrote: >>> Jimmy Wales wrote: >> I was mentioned in a leaked US diplomatic cable - with my name spelled >> wrong! >> >> http://wikileaks.ch/cable/2008/11/08SANTIAGO1015.html Apparently you got confused with Johnnie Walker, but I'm not sure if that is a bad or a

Re: [Foundation-l] Personal Image Filter results announced

2011-09-04 Thread Nikola Smolenski
On 04/09/11 21:28, Kim Bruning wrote: > On Sun, Sep 04, 2011 at 09:16:42PM +0100, Thomas Dalton wrote: >>> The trouble is that at its edges, education is fundamentally >>> disconcerting, upsetting and subversive. And that this is a matter >>> only of degree, not of kind. >> >> I agree, and I would

Re: [Foundation-l] We need to make it easy to fork and leave

2011-08-15 Thread Nikola Smolenski
On 15/08/11 08:16, David Richfield wrote: > It's not just financial collapse. When Sun was acquired by Oracle and > they started messing about with OpenOffice, it was not hard to fork > the project - take the codebase and run with it. It's not that easy > for Wikipedia, and we want to make sure t

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia as seen through 1964 acoustic, 300 baud modem

2011-07-15 Thread Nikola Smolenski
On 07/15/2011 03:11 AM, Liam Wyatt wrote: > Saw this today: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9dpXHnJXaE > It's a video of a guy demonstrating his 1964 Livermore Data Systems "Model > A" Acoustic Coupler Modem that still works > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acoustic_coupler > and in order to demons

Re: [Foundation-l] No tail-lights. What do we do now? (was Call for referendum)

2011-07-01 Thread Nikola Smolenski
On 07/01/2011 04:42 PM, geni wrote: > On 1 July 2011 07:58, Nikola Smolenski wrote: >> * Ability to surf through multiple wikis. For example, you could be >> reading article on a specialist wiki such as >> http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Darmok_%28episode%29 ; upon clicking

Re: [Foundation-l] No tail-lights. What do we do now? (was Call for referendum)

2011-07-01 Thread Nikola Smolenski
On 07/01/2011 09:15 AM, David Gerard wrote: > On 1 July 2011 07:58, Nikola Smolenski wrote: >> On 06/30/2011 07:35 PM, David Gerard wrote: >>> Further to your idea: people developing little specialist wikis along >>> these lines, and said wikis being mergeable. This

Re: [Foundation-l] No tail-lights. What do we do now? (was Call for referendum)

2011-06-30 Thread Nikola Smolenski
On 06/30/2011 07:35 PM, David Gerard wrote: > Further to your idea: people developing little specialist wikis along > these lines, and said wikis being mergeable. This makes such wikis > easier to start, without having to start yet another wiki-based > general encyclopedia that directly competes wi

Re: [Foundation-l] en.wp HACKED?

2011-06-19 Thread Nikola Smolenski
On 06/19/2011 07:37 PM, Ryan Lomonaco wrote: > I recognize that this is probably a touchy issue given the controversy on > the English Wikipedia over flagged revisions (which I thankfully wasn't a > part of), but maybe flipping flagged revisions on for everything in the > template namespace would h

Re: [Foundation-l] 1.3 billion of humans don't have Wikipedia in their native...

2011-05-23 Thread Nikola Smolenski
On 05/23/2011 10:33 AM, Milos Rancic wrote: >> In Chinese writing a character shows a word, irrespective of how the >> word is pronounced. So if we would use a Chinese style writing system, >> you could write [your] [dog] [is] [dead], and a Frenchman would write >> exactly the same, even though he

Re: [Foundation-l] 1.3 billion of humans don't have Wikipedia in their native...

2011-05-23 Thread Nikola Smolenski
On 05/23/2011 10:33 AM, Milos Rancic wrote: >> In Chinese writing a character shows a word, irrespective of how the >> word is pronounced. So if we would use a Chinese style writing system, >> you could write [your] [dog] [is] [dead], and a Frenchman would write >> exactly the same, even though he

Re: [Foundation-l] 1.3 billion of humans don't have Wikipedia in their native...

2011-05-22 Thread Nikola Smolenski
Дана Sunday 22 May 2011 19:53:20 wjhon...@aol.com написа: > So if you are claiming that the sole differences are pronunciation, then > this language should be removed from the list of ones lacking a project. > I'm not certain however that that claim can be supported. Given that no one of us is pa

Re: [Foundation-l] 1.3 billion of humans don't have Wikipedia in their native language

2011-05-22 Thread Nikola Smolenski
On Sun, 2011-05-22 at 14:32 +0200, Milos Rancic wrote: > On 05/22/2011 01:28 PM, George Herbert wrote: > > Can you break this out by which languages we are missing, not just > by > > country, as country isn't specific enough? > > Waiting for list admins to allow ~250k mail :) If only someone woul

Re: [Foundation-l] 1.3 billion of humans don't have Wikipedia in their native language

2011-05-22 Thread Nikola Smolenski
On Sun, 2011-05-22 at 14:47 +0200, Milos Rancic wrote: > On 05/22/2011 01:37 PM, Nikola Smolenski wrote: > > On Sun, 2011-05-22 at 13:15 +0200, Milos Rancic wrote: > >> * Jin Chinese, 45M, China > >> * Xiang Chinese, 36, China, incubator > >> * Min

Re: [Foundation-l] 1.3 billion of humans don't have Wikipedia in their native language

2011-05-22 Thread Nikola Smolenski
On Sun, 2011-05-22 at 13:15 +0200, Milos Rancic wrote: > * Jin Chinese, 45M, China > * Xiang Chinese, 36, China, incubator > * Min Bei Chinese, 10.3M, China, incubator Aren't these languages written with Chinese characters and thus their speakers can read and write the Chinese Wikipedia? ___

Re: [Foundation-l] [Fwd: Re: Do WMF want enwp.org?]

2011-05-11 Thread Nikola Smolenski
On 05/11/2011 12:32 PM, HW wrote: > I think the advantage is that it would allow us to generalize the concept > behind enwp.org, which is that we want short urls for all languages and all > projects. I'm thinking along the lines of http://en.wp.w.org . From that Since I see this popping up repeate

Re: [Foundation-l] For japan kids..

2011-04-29 Thread Nikola Smolenski
On 04/29/2011 11:59 AM, Lodewijk wrote: > I'm not sure... is this supposed to be a real email or does everybody see a > random string of characters? It's not random, it's misdisplayed http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Base64 e-mail, and it's spam. You may use http://www.motobit.com/util/base64-decode

Re: [Foundation-l] foundation-l Digest, Vol 85, Issue 52

2011-04-26 Thread Nikola Smolenski
On 04/26/2011 07:58 AM, Thomas Dalton wrote: > On 26 April 2011 03:06, wrote: >> I always thought that translations were considered "wholely derivative", >> that is that a new copyright is *not* created, by translating. > > I would expect that to vary from jurisdiction to jurisdiction. For > examp

Re: [Foundation-l] "How many articles have you created?"

2011-04-10 Thread Nikola Smolenski
Дана Sunday 10 April 2011 08:53:58 Amir E. Aharoni написа: > The Hebrew Wikipedia conducts "no new articles" days every now and > then, where the editors are encouraged - not enforced - to improve > existing articles rather than create new ones; unfortunately, i have > no data about how well it wor

Re: [Foundation-l] Board Resolution: Openness

2011-04-09 Thread Nikola Smolenski
Дана Sunday 10 April 2011 06:36:22 MZMcBride написа: > featured article requirements or anything like that. They might be > inundated with too many links in welcome messages (which I view as a > largely separate issue from policy creep), but I don't think the vast > majority of editors pay any mind

Re: [Foundation-l] Wiki-revolution

2011-04-03 Thread Nikola Smolenski
Дана Sunday 03 April 2011 12:03:56 Dan Rosenthal написа: > Your userpage claims you speak American English at an en-4 "near-native > level". Want to try again? My observation of the natives shows that they commonly commit errors of this magnitude :) > On Apr 3, 2011, at 1:47 AM, Virgilio A. P. M

Re: [Foundation-l] Message to community about community decline

2011-03-29 Thread Nikola Smolenski
On 03/29/2011 01:11 PM, Milos Rancic wrote: > Let's say that there is Wikipedia in X language with just one editor. > That editor is expert in, let's say, medieval history and has passion > toward chess. That person would spend years in: (1) writing basic > articles -- although he is not astronomer

Re: [Foundation-l] Message to community about community decline

2011-03-29 Thread Nikola Smolenski
On 03/29/2011 11:40 AM, Theo10011 wrote: > The second issue as I see it, we might not be approaching the sum of all > human knowledge but we're running out of what the core non/semi-professional > community can contribute. We are at over 3.5 million articles (go Pokemon) I strongly disagree. I see

Re: [Foundation-l] Message to community about community decline

2011-03-29 Thread Nikola Smolenski
On 03/29/2011 09:14 AM, teun spaans wrote: > Quote:Many volunteers don't have a lot to write. > This sounds like an opinion, not like a fact. Even on English wikipedia, we > still have about two hundred thousand plant species to describe, and > millions of animal species. And then I'm not talking a

Re: [Foundation-l] wiki for interwiki (was: Foundation too passive)

2011-03-23 Thread Nikola Smolenski
On 03/23/2011 07:58 AM, Tim Starling wrote: > I think it would be nice to have a special extension for this, rather > than use interwiki transclusion, since that would make it easy to > implement nicer formatting of language link lists on the central wiki. > I don't think we really want a wiki with

Re: [Foundation-l] breaking English Wikipedia apart

2011-03-14 Thread Nikola Smolenski
On 03/14/2011 11:50 AM, Fred Bauder wrote: > Stovepiping is already a problem. Breaking up the project in this way > would make a science of it, creating a plethora of petty tyrannies in the > style of Wiktionary and Wikipedia Commons but even less responsive. How are Wiktionary and Wikimedia Comm

Re: [Foundation-l] Editor Survey, 2011

2011-03-11 Thread Nikola Smolenski
Дана Tuesday 08 March 2011 01:28:39 Mani Pande написа: > It is with great pleasure that I would like to inform you that we are in > the process of the launching Wikipedia's second editor survey. The > survey is a redo of the UNU-Merit Survey that the foundation had > conducted last year. The survey

Re: [Foundation-l] Editor Survey, 2011

2011-03-11 Thread Nikola Smolenski
On 03/11/2011 10:52 AM, Amir E. Aharoni wrote: > I noticed the "Take a WMF-sponsored survey on barriers to expert > participation in Wikipedia." banner on the top of English Wiktionary > the other day. I clicked it and answered a whole page of questions > that were interesting and relevant. And the

Re: [Foundation-l] [Announce] Brion Vibber to rejoin Wikimedia Foundation

2011-03-09 Thread Nikola Smolenski
On 03/09/2011 10:48 AM, Florence Devouard wrote: > On 3/8/11 7:05 AM, Keegan Peterzell wrote: >> A pleasure to have him back. > > +1 +PHP_INT_MAX :) ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/

Re: [Foundation-l] 2006-2011: Mexican, Argentinian, Brazilian governments distance themselves from freedomdefined 1.0

2011-03-06 Thread Nikola Smolenski
>> On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 7:29 AM, Teofilo wrote: >>> Mexico switched from PD to CC-BY-NC-ND in 2006 (1) >>> Argentina from CC-BY-SA to CC-BY-NC some time in 2009-2011 (2) >>> Brazil removed CC-BY-SA altogether from the culture ministry website >>> in early 2011, in a context where the ministry is

Re: [Foundation-l] Friendliness (was: Missing Wikipedians: An Essay)

2011-02-25 Thread Nikola Smolenski
Дана Friday 25 February 2011 13:18:36 dex2...@pc.dk написа: > clean-up? Should we have a special "welcoming" staff instead of random > people or bots inserting {{welcome}}? To my knowledge, no one has ever tried it, but why not? In reality, some people don't do what they know to do, but choose to

Re: [Foundation-l] Licenses' biodiversity : my big disagreement with the Wikimedia usability initiative's software specifications

2011-02-23 Thread Nikola Smolenski
On 02/23/2011 11:08 AM, Lodewijk wrote: > Therefore, a license should apply to all mediums to make the content truly > re-usable. It should not matter what you do with the content to "publish" it > - print it, shout it on the street or for all I care you take an airplane > and draw it in the air: t

Re: [Foundation-l] Licenses' biodiversity : my big disagreement with the Wikimedia usability initiative's software specifications

2011-02-21 Thread Nikola Smolenski
> 2011/2/21 David Gerard: >> No-one has ever worked out how to do derivatives of GFDL-licensed >> internet video that all agree is in full compliance with the GFDL. >> Display the full 23 kilobytes of licence text in video at the end? Perhaps we could learn something from medicine commercials :D

Re: [Foundation-l] Since Egypt has shutdown internet, should we too?

2011-01-28 Thread Nikola Smolenski
Дана Saturday 29 January 2011 01:39:26 David Goodman написа: > A wonderful precedent for other approaches to press agencies--it will > perhaps work best for those agencies that have an appropriate > special concern for the area or subject. This seems like a good place to mention that the prece

Re: [Foundation-l] H2G2 "to be disposed of"

2011-01-24 Thread Nikola Smolenski
On 01/24/2011 05:09 PM, Magnus Manske wrote: > http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-12265173 > > Anything worth salvaging? If released under a free license, it could find its place on Wikisource. I have found at least a few articles that could be used to improve Wikipedia ( http://www.bb

Re: [Foundation-l] excluding Wikipedia clones from searching

2010-12-08 Thread Nikola Smolenski
On 12/08/2010 12:46 PM, Amir E. Aharoni wrote: > The "Google test" used to be a tool for checking the notability of a subject > or to find sources about it. For some languages it may be also used for > other purposes - for example in Hebrew, the spelling of which is not > established so well, it is

Re: [Foundation-l] should not web server logs (of requests) be published?

2010-11-28 Thread Nikola Smolenski
Дана Sunday 28 November 2010 09:53:06 Huib Laurens написа: > Its againt the privacy poliicy to publish logs like that, and there is It should be possible to anonymyse the logs sufficiently so that no private information could be gained from them. > really no good reason given why people should s

Re: [Foundation-l] should not web server logs (of requests) be published?

2010-11-28 Thread Nikola Smolenski
Дана Sunday 28 November 2010 09:35:40 dinar qorbanof написа: > another advantage of this is that people could create custom analysers > of the logs. For now, see http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesWikipediaTT.htm and http://stats.grok.se/tt/201009/ .

Re: [Foundation-l] on fundraiser :)

2010-11-27 Thread Nikola Smolenski
Дана Saturday 27 November 2010 13:58:27 KIZU Naoko написа: > On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 9:32 PM, Przykuta wrote: > > Hmm. Could we use better link in Sidebar (with WMF logo or another > > image)? Better than simple "Donate" > > Support for increasing visibility. I surprised many people when I told >

Re: [Foundation-l] naming of things in kosovo

2010-11-11 Thread Nikola Smolenski
On 11/11/2010 03:26 PM, Mike Dupont wrote: > so I think there is a president for the english and albanian names in > wikipedia. > most of the names are in serbian, with strange characters that I cannot even > type. > this offends most contributors and prevents locals from contributing. > also the s

Re: [Foundation-l] Glycerol information

2010-11-11 Thread Nikola Smolenski
On 11/11/2010 11:16 AM, John Vandenberg wrote: > On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 8:35 PM, Nikola Smolenski wrote: >> Back when we were under sanctions, it was impossible to buy antifreeze >> (or it was prohibitively expensive). So, my father remembered that in >> one of the books i

Re: [Foundation-l] Looking for stories of readers affected by Wikipedia

2010-11-11 Thread Nikola Smolenski
On 11/11/2010 08:50 AM, John Vandenberg wrote: > On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 6:47 PM, Nikola Smolenski wrote: >> On 11/11/2010 07:31 AM, Sue Gardner wrote: >>> * Ideally, they would be stories of people who >>> pre-exposure-to-Wikipedia would have had circumscribed access

Re: [Foundation-l] Looking for stories of readers affected by Wikipedia

2010-11-10 Thread Nikola Smolenski
On 11/11/2010 07:31 AM, Sue Gardner wrote: > * Ideally, they would be stories of people who > pre-exposure-to-Wikipedia would have had circumscribed access to > information. Because they grew up in a small town with no library, > because their school didn't stock certain kinds of books, because > m

Re: [Foundation-l] Closing the Circle to Published Content (was Re: Evil Book)

2010-11-01 Thread Nikola Smolenski
Дана Tuesday 02 November 2010 00:48:06 Robert S. Horning написа: > The problem here is that the publisher is being deceptive as to the > origin of the content and how it was put together. Since I haven't seen > the book itself and can only react to what is on the amazon.com. I > guess this is a "

Re: [Foundation-l] Evil Book

2010-11-01 Thread Nikola Smolenski
Дана Tuesday 02 November 2010 02:57:10 geni написа: > 2010/11/1 KIZU Naoko : > > I see, thanks Mike. Personally I'm not for this kind of attempt, I'd > > rather agree with Ryan: if and only if they complies with CC-BY-SA > > deeds, is there any room for us to prevent them legally to spread it > > e

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia Editing is project number 832465

2010-10-23 Thread Nikola Smolenski
Дана Saturday 23 October 2010 22:44:52 Fred Bauder написа: > Here's a new job offered on Freelancer.com: > > "Description > Wikipedia writer needed for historic building/hotel in a major city. The > wikipedia page already exist but it is not too detailed to reflect its > rich history. [snip] > Is

Re: [Foundation-l] Russian police probe Wikipedia for extremism

2010-10-19 Thread Nikola Smolenski
On 10/19/2010 02:24 PM, Fred Bauder wrote: > http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&u=http://ru.wikisource.org/wiki/%D0%A4%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9_%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BE%D0%BA_%D1%8D%D0%BA%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82%D1%81%D

Re: [Foundation-l] Expertise and Wikipedia redux

2010-10-16 Thread Nikola Smolenski
Дана Saturday 16 October 2010 21:15:18 Peter Damian написа: > - Original Message - > From: > > IF you don't like what it says, change it. > > What really is the point, of pointing out that "Oh gosh we don't have up > > to > > date articles" when anyone who cares to, can simply edit the art

Re: [Foundation-l] Expertise and Wikipedia redux

2010-10-16 Thread Nikola Smolenski
On Sat, 2010-10-16 at 18:47 +0100, Peter Damian wrote: > - Original Message - > From: "Nikola Smolenski" > > I don't see how can you call it plagiarism when at the bottom of the > > article it is clearly written: "This article incorporates text .

Re: [Foundation-l] Expertise and Wikipedia redux

2010-10-16 Thread Nikola Smolenski
On Sat, 2010-10-16 at 18:23 +0100, Peter Damian wrote: > A short piece here > http://ocham.blogspot.com/2010/10/andronicus-of-rhodes.html You can read it, > but the take-home is pretty brief. > > (1) Here is another of the many examples where proper encyclopedic content > is plagiarised entirel

Re: [Foundation-l] Liu Xiaobo

2010-10-09 Thread Nikola Smolenski
Дана Saturday 09 October 2010 01:46:43 Fred Bauder написа: > >> Well, do we actually prevent some viewpoint from being expressed > >> adequately? > >> > >> How about a list? > > Well, it's not a promising start, but I have, for example heard a few > complaints that the views of Lyndon LaRouche were

Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005?

2010-10-05 Thread Nikola Smolenski
On 10/05/2010 08:28 AM, SlimVirgin wrote: > On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 18:17, wrote: >> Have you looked at the current version of that page? Every sentence has >> at least one ref, it looks like a spider has fallen into an ink well and >> then run backwards and forwards across the page. > > It's very

Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005?

2010-10-02 Thread Nikola Smolenski
Дана Saturday 02 October 2010 23:51:22 David Gerard написа: > On 2 October 2010 22:44, David Gerard wrote: > > The problem is how to avoid making rules against stupidity. Because > > you can't actually outlaw stupid. Experts already complain about > > uncitability. I suppose we could advise expert

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Kosovo Chapter? Re: Fwd: SFK100 Press Release

2010-09-27 Thread Nikola Smolenski
On Sun, 2010-09-26 at 18:29 +0200, Milos Rancic wrote: > On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 14:58, Daniel ~ Leinad wrote: > > Look here http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Step-by-step_chapter_creation_guide > > and here http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Local_chapter_FAQ. > > Plus to convince voting ChapCom member

Re: [Foundation-l] How bureaucracy works: the example

2010-09-25 Thread Nikola Smolenski
Дана Saturday 25 September 2010 17:53:05 Milos Rancic написа: > So, I wanted to do that as I treat that as my responsibility. I filled > the form once again and I had to spend next ~15 minutes while trying > to upload the 20k logo: license is not correct, author is not correct, > this is not correc

Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005?

2010-09-21 Thread Nikola Smolenski
On 09/21/2010 09:10 AM, Peter Damian wrote: > http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Margaret_of_Hungary&oldid=383882577 > > Various grammatical/stylistic errors, laundry list, discontinuity of tense, > 1066 style, etc. I brought it up because Johnson was insisting that someone > without formal

Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005?

2010-09-20 Thread Nikola Smolenski
On 09/20/2010 11:38 PM, Mark Williamson wrote: > Peter, resorting to ad hominem does nothing to prove your point. It > only makes people less likely to listen to what you have to say. That was not ad hominem. > On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 12:41 PM, Peter Damian > wrote: >> - Original Message --

Re: [Foundation-l] Organization on Wikipedia that dealswithcontentissues.

2010-08-30 Thread Nikola Smolenski
On 08/29/2010 11:52 PM, Andrea Zanni wrote: > And I was wondering if Wikipedia, limiting the article to one, single and > neutral version, > is enough to some Humanities scholars, who maybe would prefer the > possibility of > many articles/monographies, one for interpretation. There are no policie

Re: [Foundation-l] A proposal of partnership between Wikime dia Foundation and Internet Archive

2010-08-24 Thread Nikola Smolenski
Дана Tuesday 24 August 2010 21:05:05 wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk написа: > Nikola Smolenski wrote: > > I wanted to suggest this for a long time. I see two more reasons for > > this: > > > > - We are often copying free images or text from various sites (for > >

Re: [Foundation-l] A proposal of partnership between Wikimedia Foundation and Internet Archive

2010-08-24 Thread Nikola Smolenski
On 08/24/2010 03:57 PM, emijrp wrote: > I want to make a proposal about external links preservation. Many times, > when you check an external link or a link reference, the website is dead or > offline. This websites are important, because they are the sources for the > facts showed in the articles.

[Foundation-l] Comments about Wikipedia on Reddit

2010-08-06 Thread Nikola Smolenski
Not sure if this is the right list, however, at http://www.reddit.com/r/wikipedia/comments/cxq4i/who_here_actually_contributes_to_wikipedia/ a number of people are reporting on their Wikipedia experiences, so I believe reading them may offer useful insights. ___

Re: [Foundation-l] Umberto Eco's interview

2010-08-05 Thread Nikola Smolenski
On 08/05/2010 09:30 AM, Cristian Consonni wrote: > 2010/8/4 Nikola Smolenski: >> Publish the interview in .ogg format, then if needed volunteers can >> transcribe >> it? > > Till now the interviews have usually been done with micro-cassette > recorders (you know, t

Re: [Foundation-l] Umberto Eco's interview

2010-08-04 Thread Nikola Smolenski
Дана Wednesday 04 August 2010 17:22:37 Cristian Consonni написа: > I am really sorry about that and, in my opinion, this is a major > problem with volunteer-driven interviews. Usually there are a lot of > questions to ask and even if the interviewer make some (arbitrary) > selection in my experienc

Re: [Foundation-l] Push translation

2010-07-31 Thread Nikola Smolenski
Дана Friday 30 July 2010 02:31:44 Andreas Kolbe написа: > Having tried it tonight, I don't find the Google translator toolkit all > that useful, at least not at this present level of development. To sum up: > > First you read their translation. > > Then you scratch your head: What the deuce is that

Re: [Foundation-l] Free translation memory

2010-07-30 Thread Nikola Smolenski
Дана Thursday 29 July 2010 10:38:20 Samuel Klein написа: > There is definitely a "free TM" project waiting to happen. It would > be nice to see translatewiki [for instance] incorporate such a tool, > but it may be a nontrivial amount of work. At Project Rastko for years now there is the idea of b

Re: [Foundation-l] Is Google translation is good for Wikipedias?

2010-07-25 Thread Nikola Smolenski
Дана Sunday 25 July 2010 08:12:43 Shiju Alex написа: > So what is the solution for this? Can we take lessons from > Tamil/Bengali/Swahili wikipedias and find methods to use this service > effectively or continue with the current article creation process. I was thinking about a website that would h

Re: [Foundation-l] WikiCite - new WMF project? Was: [Wiki-research-l] UPEI's proposal for a "universal citation index"

2010-07-21 Thread Nikola Smolenski
Дана Monday 19 July 2010 22:20:15 Brian J Mingus написа: > Feel free to provide your feedback on this idea, in addition to your own > ideas, in this thread, or to me personally. I am especially interested in > the potential benefits to the WMF projects that you see, and to hear your > thoughts on t

Re: [Foundation-l] Ongoing FUD campaign against Wikipedia in Serbian

2010-07-06 Thread Nikola Smolenski
On 07/06/2010 01:15 AM, James Alexander wrote: > It sounds odd to say that legal threats, court actions and press > campaigns PROVE that the projects or company are notable but in many > ways I think they do and the fact that this article is so important to Maybe, but imagine what these articles w

Re: [Foundation-l] encouraging women's participation

2010-06-24 Thread Nikola Smolenski
Дана Wednesday 23 June 2010 18:27:43 Nikola Smolenski написа: > Anyway, I made this so anyone who would like to experiment, can. > http://toolserver.org/~nikola/snrss.php I see that people who tried it either haven't written any new articles recently or have encountered a bug (on

Re: [Foundation-l] English language dominationism is striking again

2010-06-23 Thread Nikola Smolenski
> On 23 Jun 2010, at 16:23, David Gerard wrote: > > Reliance on Google for what is really an essential function for those > > who aren't native English speakers is problematic because it's (a) > > third-party (b) closed. Same reason we don't use reCaptcha. On the other hand, do we have to really _

Re: [Foundation-l] English language dominationism is striking again

2010-06-23 Thread Nikola Smolenski
Дана Wednesday 23 June 2010 16:34:26 Magnus Manske написа: > On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 3:17 PM, Tisza Gergo wrote: > > Again, I would suggest using Google (or an alternative with open data, if > > one exists) instead of trying to reinvent the wheel: > > > > http://translate.google.com/#auto|en|Pferd

Re: [Foundation-l] English language dominationism is striking again

2010-06-23 Thread Nikola Smolenski
Дана Wednesday 23 June 2010 10:13:39 Magnus Manske написа: > On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 6:40 AM, Nikola Smolenski wrote: > > On 06/22/2010 08:07 PM, Magnus Manske wrote: > >> Here's a thought: Enter "hobu" into translate.google.com, leave > >> "sourc

Re: [Foundation-l] encouraging women's participation

2010-06-23 Thread Nikola Smolenski
Дана Saturday 19 June 2010 08:37:37 Milos Rancic написа: > On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 7:40 AM, Nikola Smolenski wrote: > > Дана Saturday 19 June 2010 07:37:18 Milos Rancic написа: > >> On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 7:30 AM, Nikola Smolenski wrote: > >> > Or perhaps we don

Re: [Foundation-l] English language dominationism is striking again

2010-06-22 Thread Nikola Smolenski
On 06/22/2010 08:07 PM, Magnus Manske wrote: >>> I would consider this state as a poor reflection on Commons' accessibility. >> Especially as Google image search (imho, the likeliest avenue of searching >> for images) gives 130 000 pictures of horses on Commons if searched in >> English, zero if se

Re: [Foundation-l] encouraging women's participation

2010-06-18 Thread Nikola Smolenski
Дана Saturday 19 June 2010 07:37:18 Milos Rancic написа: > On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 7:30 AM, Nikola Smolenski wrote: > > Or perhaps we don't even have to build one, but just use the existing > > ones. [People are always against making Wikipedia a social network.] Have > >

Re: [Foundation-l] encouraging women's participation

2010-06-18 Thread Nikola Smolenski
Дана Saturday 19 June 2010 05:58:31 Milos Rancic написа: > That means that we need games for women. While I think that we should > build full social network, just a basic one would help. Or perhaps we don't even have to build one, but just use the existing ones. [People are always against making

Re: [Foundation-l] encouraging women's participation

2010-06-18 Thread Nikola Smolenski
Дана Saturday 19 June 2010 05:58:31 Milos Rancic написа: > That means that we need games for women. While I think that we should > build full social network, just a basic one would help. Ability to make other editors your "friends", then you could watch their Special:Contributions jointly (see wh

Re: [Foundation-l] Did you say "usability" ?

2010-06-15 Thread Nikola Smolenski
On 06/15/2010 09:27 AM, Domas Mituzas wrote: > On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 8:17 AM, Teofilo wrote: >> What would you think about an automobile repair shop, when you >> discover after you try the car again that you can no longer remove the >> key and stop the engine ? > > that perpetuum mobile exists,

Re: [Foundation-l] hiding interlanguage links by default is a Bad Idea, part 2

2010-06-04 Thread Nikola Smolenski
On 06/04/2010 09:10 AM, Gregory Maxwell wrote: > As far as the the dynamic hiding goes, I'd like to toss in my voice > against that: Determinism is very important for usability. Guessing > what the user wants is great when it works but terrible when it > doesn't. Computers are often _stupid_ bu

Re: [Foundation-l] hiding interlanguage links by default is a Bad Idea, part 2

2010-06-04 Thread Nikola Smolenski
On 06/04/2010 08:24 AM, Michael Peel wrote: > On 2 Jun 2010, at 22:51, Gregory Maxwell wrote: >> A tiny benefit to a hundred >> million people wouldn't justify making wikipedia very hard to use for >> a hundred thousand > > Can you justify that the change has now made it very hard for users of thos

Re: [Foundation-l] Along with Vector, a new look for changes to the Wikipedia identity

2010-05-14 Thread Nikola Smolenski
Robert Rohde wrote: > Myself and several other people find the new Wikipedia logo to be > rather disappointing. Specifically it seems too small (lots of empty > white space), and the edges of the puzzle pieces lack definition when > shown at the web scale. For a discussion of this, including poss

Re: [Foundation-l] Reflections on the recent debates

2010-05-09 Thread Nikola Smolenski
Дана Sunday 09 May 2010 10:53:23 William Pietri написа: > On 05/08/2010 10:23 AM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > > Editors are saying, with a straight face, that there is "no implied > > sexual activity" in BDSM images like > > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Angel_BDSM.png and that images > > like

Re: [Foundation-l] MMORPG and Wikimedia

2010-05-09 Thread Nikola Smolenski
Дана Friday 07 May 2010 12:53:59 Milos Rancic написа: > On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 6:33 AM, Tim Starling wrote: > > Milos Rancic wrote: > >> The MMORPG Ryzom goes Free Software [1]. Although it was just a matter > >> of time, this event is very important for shaping our future. MMORPG > >> is virtual

Re: [Foundation-l] MMORPG and Wikimedia

2010-05-06 Thread Nikola Smolenski
Dan Rosenthal wrote: > On May 6, 2010, at 10:24 PM, geni wrote: >> 3D objects could already be supported as .blend files although we >> don't at this point. > > But not the manipulation of them in a fully interactive physics based 3d > environment with simultaneous interaction from thousands of o

Re: [Foundation-l] Copyrighted maps and Derived works

2010-04-01 Thread Nikola Smolenski
Дана Thursday 01 April 2010 20:30:10 Aude написа: > There are differences in how data (incl.map data) is treated under > US law and how UK/European law treat data and data collections/databases > > Wikipedia is operates under US copyright law, w/ servers and the > foundation US based (not sure

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