Re: [Foundation-l] Old Wikipedia backups discovered

2010-12-14 Thread Henning Schlottmann
On 14.12.2010 23:47, Magnus Manske wrote: > On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 9:49 PM, Henning Schlottmann >> Not true. The first other languages were introduced on March 15 and >> could be part of this archive if the different Wikipedias were in one >> database under UseMod. >

Re: [Foundation-l] Old Wikipedia backups discovered

2010-12-14 Thread Henning Schlottmann
Hi Magnus, On 14.12.2010 22:35, Magnus Manske wrote: > On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 8:36 PM, Henning Schlottmann > wrote: >> On 14.12.2010 16:54, Tim Starling wrote: >>> I was looking through some old files in our SourceForge project. I >>> opened a file called wiki

Re: [Foundation-l] Old Wikipedia backups discovered

2010-12-14 Thread Henning Schlottmann
On 14.12.2010 16:54, Tim Starling wrote: > I was looking through some old files in our SourceForge project. I > opened a file called wiki.tar.gz, and inside were three complete > backups of the text of Wikipedia, from February, March and August 2001! That's wonderful news. Is this for enWP only or

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Re: [VereinDE-l] Bericht zur Verleihung der Zedler-Medaille und Academy

2010-11-29 Thread Henning Schlottmann
On 27.11.2010 18:12, Milos Rancic wrote: > On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 15:32, Henning Schlottmann > wrote: >> On 27.11.2010 01:41, Milos Rancic wrote: >> >>> In other words, our recruitment base are not well formed scientists, >>> but high school students who ar

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Re: [VereinDE-l] Bericht zur Verleihung der Zedler-Medaille und Academy

2010-11-27 Thread Henning Schlottmann
On 27.11.2010 01:41, Milos Rancic wrote: > In other words, our recruitment base are not well formed scientists, > but high school students who are interested in Wikipedia (and other > Wikimedia projects) per se. After five years on project, a former high > school student -- probably a university s

Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005?

2010-10-04 Thread Henning Schlottmann
On 04.10.2010 20:43, geni wrote: > On 4 October 2010 19:31, Henning Schlottmann wrote: >> But those who don't have verifiable knowledge, should not write for >> Wikipedia. Their contribution is at best useless, at worse they use up >> time and energy of those who coul

Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005?

2010-10-04 Thread Henning Schlottmann
On 03.10.2010 17:03, geni wrote: > So I can run a 30 second search on the british library catalogue than > go back to doing what I was going to do all along. Great use of my > time. Wikipedia is about people with knowledge collaborating to add their part to the project. This way Wikipedia is tryi

Re: [Foundation-l] Classifying what is on Wikipedia

2010-09-20 Thread Henning Schlottmann
On 20.09.2010 21:19, Peter Damian wrote: > Following on from my previous posts about trying to classify the scope and > coverage of humanities subjects in Wikipedia, I have a practical question: > is it possible to query the Wikipedia database in such a way as to get a > list of all articles (cu

Re: [Foundation-l] A proposal of partnership between Wikimedia Foundation and Internet Archive

2010-08-25 Thread Henning Schlottmann
On 25.08.2010 02:45, Ray Saintonge wrote: > Are people who clean up dead links taking the time to check Internet > Archive to se if the page in question is there? No one should even touch a presumed dead link unless he or she has the expertise to check the link for a simple restructuring on the

Re: [Foundation-l] Use of moderation

2009-09-13 Thread Henning Schlottmann
Austin Hair wrote: > A mailing list, however, is different. A mailing list is a > conversation. Everyone's been in a conversation where a single person > dominated, and no matter how smart or charismatic or entertaining he > may be, dominating a conversation minimizes the chance for other > peopl

Re: [Foundation-l] Use of moderation

2009-09-09 Thread Henning Schlottmann
Austin Hair wrote: > My ideal, personally, is something more like nntp--and while I'm > perfectly happy to turn over the list to some other technology, I > don't know that this is the magic solution, and I agree with Tim that > it risks killing what good we do have with the existing methods. I'm r

Re: [Foundation-l] Use of moderation

2009-09-09 Thread Henning Schlottmann
Tim Starling wrote: > I think we should stop using this outdated technology altogether and > instead switch to a web-based forum, where comments can be > postmoderated (i.e. removed after posting), and unproductive threads > can be moved or locked. Web boards are crap, partly precisely for the re

Re: [Foundation-l] Analysis of statistics

2009-07-27 Thread Henning Schlottmann
Milos Rancic wrote: > The whole thread is about long-term sustainability. At least, I > started it with this intention, mentioning that WMF started to work on > that (Strategy plan). "Long term" planning for the Foundation is not planning with contributors who will write on Wikipedia for several d

Re: [Foundation-l] Analysis of statistics

2009-07-27 Thread Henning Schlottmann
John Vandenberg wrote: > On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 3:27 PM, Henning > Schlottmann wrote: >> And if there are kids with knowledge and understanding >> on these or other topics, they will be fascinated by Wikipedia and find >> the project on their own. We don't need to

Re: [Foundation-l] Two Ways to Wikipedia - a concept for more effective editing

2009-07-25 Thread Henning Schlottmann
Ziko van Dijk wrote: > * Report: Many people are not interested in becoming a Wikipedian, > they just want to correct a typo or add a link or an information. They > are mostly interested only in one peticular subject. Would'nt it be > better not to let them edit, but to let them report? Their repor

Re: [Foundation-l] Analysis of statistics

2009-07-25 Thread Henning Schlottmann
Mark Williamson wrote: > Do you have data to back this up? For the record, I'll be 20 in August > and the main areas I edited were pages about cultures, countries, and > languages since I was about 15. Great. And I never denied that prodigy kids exist, but they are few - just think of how many of

Re: [Foundation-l] Analysis of statistics

2009-07-25 Thread Henning Schlottmann
Milos Rancic wrote: > * Also, statistically, old people are dying more often than young > people. Fortunately our generations (20+, 30+ and 40+) will become > retired academicians or so one day in the future and then we'll have a > very nice expansion in the number of highly qualified contributors.

Re: [Foundation-l] Analysis of statistics

2009-07-25 Thread Henning Schlottmann
Milos Rancic wrote: > Now, we are starting with the implementation of the Scenario 1: we > want to attract more retired academicians and we don't care for > younger and we are very successful in that implementation. So, during > the next year we are getting 500 more contributors in the ages groups

Re: [Foundation-l] Analysis of statistics

2009-07-25 Thread Henning Schlottmann
geni wrote: > English wikipedia has 2.9 million articles and far more words and can > still have things added to it by teenagers. And it's not just > different inclusion standards. For example [[Langstone]] meets any > reasonable inclusion standards. De does not have an article. > [[Ordnance Surve

Re: [Foundation-l] Analysis of statistics

2009-07-24 Thread Henning Schlottmann
Dennis During wrote: > It might be possible to rely on a population of academics as contributors > but there needs to be a mechanism to make sure that the needs of our actual > users have appropriate weight in decision making Who are our actual users? Students are of course well known to use Wiki

Re: [Foundation-l] Analysis of statistics

2009-07-24 Thread Henning Schlottmann
Nikola Smolenski wrote: > Anyone else concerned by this line of reasoning? What happened to > Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia anyone can edit? Everyone may contribute, but not everyone can.* Ciao Henning * Mantra No.2: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benutzer:Markus_Mueller/Mantras Disclaimer: T

Re: [Foundation-l] Analysis of statistics

2009-07-24 Thread Henning Schlottmann
Milos Rancic wrote: > In all cases we need to think seriously how to educate younger > generations about Wikipedia and other Wikimedia projects. Thanks for all the data and the number crunching. But I think you are wrong in your assumptions and therefore in your analysis at least regarding de-WP.

Re: [Foundation-l] National Portrait Gallery

2009-07-18 Thread Henning Schlottmann
David Gerard wrote: > That's what I mean - this issue goes way beyond NPG into how arts > institutions are funded and sustained, which is why the NPG or people > therein may believe they're really fighting for their lives and we > threaten that. And if the NPG doesn't think that, other galleries ma

Re: [Foundation-l] status of the licensing update

2009-02-20 Thread Henning Schlottmann
geni wrote: > 2009/2/20 Henning Schlottmann : >> * The responsibility for decisions of this magnitude lays with the >> board. WMF is a non-membership association. Don't even try to evade that >> responsibility by delegating it to the "community". Accept the &

Re: [Foundation-l] status of the licensing update

2009-02-20 Thread Henning Schlottmann
Ryan Kaldari wrote: > As far as anyone not subscribed to this listserv can tell, the > proposal to migrate Wikipedia to Creative Commons is dead in the > water. True. This should be quite an important issue for the Foundation. The time frame is narrow, running out and it looks like the Foundation

Re: [Foundation-l] and what if...

2008-12-14 Thread Henning Schlottmann
Judson Dunn wrote: > Make no mistake, the free dissemination of all human knowledge to > every person on the planet is a fight. The forces that would spread > ignorance as a means of control, and separation are always fighting > back. The idea that we should acquiesce in that fight, and censor our

Re: [Foundation-l] and what if...

2008-12-14 Thread Henning Schlottmann
Thomas Dalton wrote: > It's a democratically elected government making the laws > and those laws don't prevent free and fair elections, so it isn't > undemocratic. (Of course, an semi-official and unaccountable agency > like the IWF enforcing the laws is not a great way to go about it.) Your adden