Re: [Foundation-l] ACTA analysis?

2012-01-24 Thread FT2
Already in hand :) FT2 On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 1:29 AM, Kim Bruning wrote: > I would like to thank Geoff Brigham for the excellent job he did analysing > the consequences of SOPA for wikipedia. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:SOPA_initiative/Legal_overview > > Wo

Re: [Foundation-l] Adding a comment section under every Wikipedia article

2012-01-24 Thread FT2
eople get into". However you label them, whatever means and venue we were to use, the third of those is where the question mark goes. FT2 On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 11:26 PM, Oliver Keyes wrote: > Sure; if the objective is to have comments by "people who are interested in > the subj

Re: [Foundation-l] Adding a comment section under every Wikipedia article

2012-01-24 Thread FT2
Yes. I had thought about one option - a separate website entirely, purely for people to chat about Wikimedia articles. But at a first glance that dead ends for so many reasons. FT2 2012/1/24 Johan Jönsson > FT2: > > > - "costs" will be the distraction from w

Re: [Foundation-l] Adding a comment section under every Wikipedia article

2012-01-24 Thread FT2
ns (1) (2) and article editing as a result of patroling and other needs of (3) (And of course the standard of comparison could be "better of two evils". For instance if the crystal ball says a wiki project dies due to fading attention then maybe chat and patrolling is net harmful but less

Re: [Foundation-l] Politico: "Wikimedia foundation hires lobbyists on sopa, pipa"

2012-01-22 Thread FT2
o be aligned to the public and avoid pressure (even if we wouldn't succumb). That's our support. It means although we have some shared wishes and broad alignments of interest, we must be very careful to think "outside the box" somewhat on these issues. It's what we've

Re: [Foundation-l] Resolution:Developing Scenarios for future of fundraising

2012-01-21 Thread FT2
to organize fundraising with a view to efficiently obtaining sufficient funds for these possible future needs, and should do so in a manner compatible with and balanced against the goals of our movement." FT2 On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 12:26 PM, Joan Goma wrote: > > From: Ilario V

Re: [Foundation-l] Announcement: Maggie Dennis to continue with WMF

2012-01-20 Thread FT2
I said to her when temporarily hired that the Foundation could not have chosen anyone better for the role :) She is superb. FT2 On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 7:55 PM, Philippe Beaudette wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm thrilled to announce that Maggie Dennis, our community liaison, h

Re: [Foundation-l] Discussion duration and the SOPA shutdown

2012-01-19 Thread FT2
Point of information: - are proposals mooted for an alternative DNS root? Presumably, since satellite proposals exist and those are even more radical. FT2 On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 5:20 PM, David Gerard wrote: > > Come the SOPAcalypse, the DNS root will fragment. I wonder if Google > w

Re: [Foundation-l] Discussion duration and the SOPA shutdown

2012-01-19 Thread FT2
The question is, do you plan to migrate the major search engines and DNS servers? If so, then migration might help. FT2 On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 2:53 PM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen wrote: > Next time we should just migrate and fork to a jurisdiction > outside the US control. If that is

Re: [Foundation-l] Discussion duration and the SOPA shutdown

2012-01-18 Thread FT2
by X date" or "you might want to close this by X date given politics"? Probably. Live and learn, consensus was apparent and agreed, and.. yeah, the process could be smoother another time. Maybe in another 11 years . :) FT2 On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 2:27 AM, George Herbert wrote:

Re: [Foundation-l] Discussion duration and the SOPA shutdown

2012-01-18 Thread FT2
n missed around 13 - 16 January was the closers deciding to close it in line with a technical request from developers to allow them 48 hours and hence make a decision by the 16th. There was a month when it was open before then. FT2 ___ fou

Re: [Foundation-l] Vietnamese Wikipedia join protest SOPA and PIPA

2012-01-17 Thread FT2
*"We have Putin! So they now try to beat us with SOPA!"* Me neither :) On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Oliver Keyes wrote: > On the Russian Wikipedia, the banner is showing you > > (sorry, couldn't resist) > ___ foundation-l mailing list foundat

Re: [Foundation-l] News from Germany: White Bags and thinking about a fork

2011-10-29 Thread FT2
uld treat an eyeball, an arm, a cancer or a method of DNA sequencing... and without us signalling it as "shameful" to learn about by virtue of exclusion from equal handling. I know which of these stances I respect more. FT2 On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 12:02 PM, David Gerard wrote: > The Found

Re: [Foundation-l] On curiosity, cats and scapegoats

2011-09-09 Thread FT2
not at the server) without actual access to their computer. FT2 On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 7:09 PM, wrote: > In the unhappy event that this filter is enabled, will it be > possible/allowed for a community to make its use mandatory and to > "punish" readers who

Re: [Foundation-l] Hypothetical project rebranding Wikimedia

2011-09-08 Thread FT2
A more plausible option is to make WMF more conspicuous. Right now it's almost unknown that WP is part of a wider project. " An educational website of the Wikimedia Foundation" [Button: "View all our projects in your language"] FT2 On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 9:33 PM, Tho

Re: [Foundation-l] Hypothetical project rebranding Wikimedia

2011-09-08 Thread FT2
Predictable result - half the world gains the impression that Wikipedia has been bought out / sold out. FT2 On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 8:33 PM, Fajro wrote: > On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 4:21 PM, Ziko van Dijk > wrote: > > Hello, you can make Wikimedia as famous as Wikipedia, but

Re: [Foundation-l] Chapters

2011-08-13 Thread FT2
as "difficult" in those areas, once established a few years down the line. At least criteria are to be put in place now than never. For chapters in good order they should not be an issue. FT2 On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 3:35 PM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: > Hoi, > There is fundraising together

Re: [Foundation-l] content ownership in different projects

2011-06-17 Thread FT2
I've had a go at some basic editing to the [[WP:OWN]] page to try and explain a bit better, rather than simply saying "IF YOU EDIT, YOU DO NOT OWN THE PAGE!" It still needs considerable work. Eyeballs and improvements...? FT2 On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 11:50 AM, Amir E. Ahar

Re: [Foundation-l] About the low hanging fruit

2011-06-10 Thread FT2
well. If the subject matter is valid, and there is something to say that makes an entry useful, length is secondary, that can change over time. FT2 On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 2:17 PM, WereSpielChequers < werespielchequ...@gmail.com> wrote: > I wouldn't describe a short article as &quo

Re: [Foundation-l] Request: WMF commitment as a long term cultural archive?

2011-06-02 Thread FT2
- a staff member can comment on this - but the policy, rights, traditions, choice of license, and endorsement of other sites doing so in practice, is our way of ensuring a practical commitment is made. FT2 On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 12:29 PM, Fae wrote: > Hi, > > I'm taking part in an

Re: [Foundation-l] Board resolutions on controversial content and images of identifiable people

2011-06-01 Thread FT2
without other people being affected. No surprises, much as anyone expected. Endorsement of not-very-contentious conclusion. FT2 On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 10:52 PM, David Gerard wrote: > On 1 June 2011 21:35, Nathan wrote: > > > Forgive me if I find these resolutions rather too

Re: [Foundation-l] Board resolutions on controversial content and images of identifiable people

2011-06-01 Thread FT2
Information is educational. When I read Wikinews, it educates me as to significant matters going on in the world, and provides other related resources. FT2 On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 10:03 PM, Milos Rancic wrote: > "Wikimedia projects are curated and edited collections, according to &

Re: [Foundation-l] The Wikipedia-Ready Essay

2011-06-01 Thread FT2
I always took the central point about conflation to be the unwitting mixing up of separate ideas - usually but not always to the mild confusion or detriment of both. FT2 On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 7:51 PM, Fred Bauder wrote: > > > And Larry Sanger and Magnus may be remembered for pop

Re: [Foundation-l] Doctors Again

2011-06-01 Thread FT2
Indeed. The problem is we don't know. The survey doesn't ask what area they use it, how often or rarely, or whether they used it "instead of" or "as well as". Different people may have different guesses how to interpret it. But we don't know. FT2 On Wed,

Re: [Foundation-l] Doctors Again

2011-06-01 Thread FT2
something, especially obscure areas, or when writing a professional letter (eg to a professional magazine or colleague) FT2 On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 3:18 PM, Nathan wrote: > On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 10:15 AM, Fred Bauder > wrote: > > "Across all markets a surprising 75% of docto

Re: [Foundation-l] About Wikiepdia.org

2011-06-01 Thread FT2
l=en&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESiQNeG1IBcuX-Tia-mM_mhaDtdHyHoxU5ce1TDLb2Mvm-aUgasm6kxWqglvKYI0WSzhXa-i6nmbtadbbVpt4BNSBzekfJpryNmPCFC7VzvyF42ZKeX7rENwP5uCUvC24dDfGzVl&sig=AHIEtbSKuqmmggNFiXz_hjIquy8QLluFlQ>indeed. FT2 On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 3:20 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: > FT2, 01/06/2011 15

Re: [Foundation-l] About Wikiepdia.org

2011-06-01 Thread FT2
Endorse Foundation action on this obvious bad-faith domain which trades off the name and domain of Wikipedia and the proportion of users who will mis-spell it. Is there a way to identify the most common other mis-spellings and how common they are? FT2 On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 1:40 PM, HW wrote

Re: [Foundation-l] No rights to participate

2011-05-27 Thread FT2
ot;nice" is to say things that provide unlikely expectations that will eventually be dashed. For example, agreeing with a perception that I didn't find accurate because it would please you. FT2 On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 12:59 AM, Virgilio A. P. Machado wrote: > Thank you guys. I

Re: [Foundation-l] Scheduled intermittent downtime on all Wikimedia projects on May 24

2011-05-25 Thread FT2
ctivities. Imagine people browsing google.com, apple.com, microsoft.com, and suddenly for an extended period getting "server not found" with nothing more of explanation, no details, no idea when they can use the site again (minutes? days?) or if it will repeat. The impact is similar for Wikimedi

Re: [Foundation-l] Scheduled intermittent downtime on all Wikimedia projects on May 24

2011-05-25 Thread FT2
As a non-tech, don't all reads (at least) pass through the squids, so we can identify and report in a nice way a lot of connection errors at that point? FT2 On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 2:18 PM, Tim Starling wrote: > There are dozens of places where error messages are generated. It

Re: [Foundation-l] Scheduled intermittent downtime on all Wikimedia projects on May 24

2011-05-25 Thread FT2
" means we have that kind of use, perception, stature -- and a similar scale of response within the general public if it suddenly doesn't work. Most members of the public do not have the insight you or I would. FT2 On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Austin Hair wrote: > On Wed,

Re: [Foundation-l] Scheduled intermittent downtime on all Wikimedia projects on May 24

2011-05-25 Thread FT2
In future can I have vanilla and strawberry with that? :) FT2 On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 9:16 AM, Domas Mituzas wrote: > In future we will have five nines availability and no downtimes will > happen. > > ___ foundation-l mailing list

Re: [Foundation-l] Scheduled intermittent downtime on all Wikimedia projects on May 24

2011-05-25 Thread FT2
I don't get this. Would it be possible in future, if the sites are unresponsive, or will be unresponsive due to planned maintenance, to establish a fallback that simply displays an explanatory status message to the public? FT2 On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 8:15 AM, Tim Starling wrote: &g

Re: [Foundation-l] No rights to participate

2011-05-24 Thread FT2
less. Instead of complaining, you might like to notice how your own attitudes lead to fairly predictable results, and a genuine, noticeable and enduring change of them changes the results. FT2 On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 4:34 AM, Virgilio A. P. Machado wrote: > Furthermore, if someone, under

Re: [Foundation-l] Interesting legal action

2011-05-23 Thread FT2
ort, thank us, understand they are being consulted on any issues they notice, and try to help. Maybe we can design a possible email, experiment on a couple of batches of 30 - 50 newly created and older BLPs, and see what happens? FT2 On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 2:34 PM, Thomas Morton wrote: &

Re: [Foundation-l] Interesting legal action

2011-05-23 Thread FT2
n any "keepable" BLP, or a minute's web searching. A few may need Twitter, LinkedIn, Facebook, but I suspect not many. Only a very small minority will not be easily identified with a means of email or other direct contact within a few minutes. Worth it, I think. FT2 On Mon, May

Re: [Foundation-l] Interesting legal action

2011-05-22 Thread FT2
sn't change this. Can we somehow engage better with subjects? FT2 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

Re: [Foundation-l] Interesting legal action

2011-05-22 Thread FT2
ame content standards as other content. Not really inclined to endorse defeatism. FT2 On Sat, May 21, 2011 at 10:08 PM, Sarah wrote: > We could solve that by hosting only BLPs that have already had > encyclopedic or extensive treatment elsewhere, i.e. have already been > the su

Re: [Foundation-l] Interesting legal action

2011-05-20 Thread FT2
tes and smaller ones how the legal knots are tied) or worrying (because of the severity it implies) in copyright terms.. FT2 On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 7:28 PM, wrote: > One might want to factor in a Google News Case in Belgium that dealt > with which laws apply where: > http

Re: [Foundation-l] Interesting legal action

2011-05-20 Thread FT2
/ the jurisdiction you were in when you took the alleged breaking action, or 4/ the ability of local legal process to access you, in deciding what's legally actionable? Lawyers welcomed :) Curiosity and enlightenment more than anything. FT2 ___ foundation

Re: [Foundation-l] Interesting legal action

2011-05-20 Thread FT2
on vacation a while later? Just curious which of these is litigable or in contempt, and which is not. FT2 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Copyright problems of images from India

2011-05-10 Thread FT2
it is US law that governs Wikimedia. FT2 On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 12:07 PM, wrote: > Welcome to the problem of Orphan Works. what you have to show is that > either of the following is true? > > (i) the author of which is a citizen of India; or > (ii) which is first published in I

Re: [Foundation-l] foundation-l Digest, Vol 85, Issue 52

2011-04-25 Thread FT2
ic gain (just attribution) was sought by the author, is not copyright law's main focus. Deferring to lawyers on the list :) FT2 On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 6:13 PM, wrote: > > get from that content is obtained from my work they have translated > > without my permission? > > Ho

Re: [Foundation-l] Better user experience and retention through e-mail notifications

2011-04-19 Thread FT2
"Oh gods yes. +1 Ja ja D'accord" FT2 On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 10:10 AM, Samuel Klein wrote: > >> it's just not enabled on > >> larger sites such as the English Wikipedia. It's being tracked by bug > >> <https://bugzilla.wikimedia.o

Re: [Foundation-l] Board Resolution: Openness

2011-04-10 Thread FT2
mmary on that, and a link to the current policy. Click OK to confirm if you mean to do this or HELP ME to talk to an experienced user"*... ... *then* I will agree we are making progress. FT2 On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 9:05 PM, Sarah wrote: > In fact a lot of those issues are spelled out very

Re: [Foundation-l] In reply to Virgilio's comments

2011-04-10 Thread FT2
on't gradually sooner or later gain wider attention for that reason. I think that's a lesson most democratic countries could learn from us, not the other way round. *8 Scary thoughts aren't they? * No. I don't find them scary at all. Thanks for them. FT2 On Sun, Apr 10

Re: [Foundation-l] Board Resolution: Openness

2011-04-10 Thread FT2
extra expertize or to mediate a minor disagreement) would be worth noting for future. FT2 On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 7:49 AM, Nikola Smolenski wrote: > I too loathe the wall of text displayed to new users and believe it is > highly > ineffective. Some possible solutions I though

Re: [Foundation-l] Vector, a year after

2011-04-04 Thread FT2
I'm not seeing discussion of "chronically broken" code there. Just discussion of redundant code (due to 1.17) and cleanup. Any chance of a pointer to something that sums up the "chronically broken" nature of site script? FT2 On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 4:41 PM, David Gerard

Re: [Foundation-l] Vector, a year after

2011-04-04 Thread FT2
Thread title? FT2 On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 4:27 PM, David Gerard wrote: > See the current thread on wikitech-l about how chronically broken > most site JavaScript is and what to do about the problem > ___ foundation-l mailing list fou

Re: [Foundation-l] Vector, a year after

2011-04-01 Thread FT2
e a more modern style. FT2 On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 4:29 PM, Sarah wrote: > Do we know how many editors still use Monobook? > > ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

Re: [Foundation-l] 2011 elections - low turnout

2011-03-20 Thread FT2
Thumb placed on problem. FT2 On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 3:33 PM, WereSpielChequers < werespielchequ...@gmail.com> wrote: > I think we ... forget that becoming part of the community is a process > and state of mind rather than a

Re: [Foundation-l] 2011 Board Elections: Input needed

2011-03-20 Thread FT2
rd election isn't really the context to do so. FT2 On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 2:01 PM, Ziko van Dijk wrote: > Not so quick - I am paying fees, for Wikimedia Nederland and Wikimedia > Deutschland. Would you say that they are not Wikimedia?`:-) > ___

Re: [Foundation-l] 2011 Board Elections: Input needed

2011-03-20 Thread FT2
quot;by members for benefit of members". It exists on a voluntary basis for the world as a whole, ie non-members (by that definition), and that is where our focus should always ultimately end up. FT2 On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 1:28 PM, Ziko van Dijk wrote: > 2011/3/20 marcos : > > I agree wi

Re: [Foundation-l] 2011 Board Elections: Input needed

2011-03-20 Thread FT2
t reach as a byproduct. Not a big point but a "plus") FT2 On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 1:24 PM, Andre Engels wrote: > I do also think giving people voting rights based only on > being 'readers' basically means giving it out to random people. > _

Re: [Foundation-l] 2011 Board Elections: Input needed

2011-03-20 Thread FT2
de the fixed percentage of the total vote given to readers (1/4? 1/3?), then however many readers vote, scale it as the agreed proportion of the cast votes. FT2 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

Re: [Foundation-l] 2011 Board Elections: Input needed

2011-03-20 Thread FT2
ly know and focus on what the community cares about. Matters that the community cares about will have received a specific comment from each candidate. The community can compare candidates' views on specific issues of wide interest, and vote based on the candidates' specific views on these.

Re: [Foundation-l] 2011 Board Elections: Input needed

2011-03-20 Thread FT2
0 by random poll proportionately by country (after checking for obvious duplicates) and allow them to vote. Again may be more trouble than it's worth, but it is important to consider if readers may have a say in what matters at the election. After all they are whom the project and all of our effo

Re: [Foundation-l] breaking English Wikipedia apart

2011-03-15 Thread FT2
ostile environment is mostly a reflection of the divergence it involves. FT2 On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 5:39 AM, Fred Bauder wrote: > It doesn't work. Even now, if you show up on some projects, create a new > category, write a few new articles, you have to claw your way through > nominat

Re: [Foundation-l] breaking English Wikipedia apart

2011-03-15 Thread FT2
a means of better cross-wiki collaboration and flow of knowledge and support. FT2 On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 5:09 AM, brock.wel...@gmail.com < brock.wel...@gmail.com> wrote: > I agree with helping wikiprojects collaborate but couldn't disagree more > with making them more power

Re: [Foundation-l] breaking English Wikipedia apart

2011-03-14 Thread FT2
the topic neutrally, ask about policy related issues, be fair and courteous, etc. FT2 On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 2:52 PM, Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote: > > Are you suggesting something like a second, parallel arbcom if the > > first has finally stalled? > > This was also a part of t

Re: [Foundation-l] breaking English Wikipedia apart

2011-03-14 Thread FT2
a system might well be a nice thing to have, but would be as > effective in promoting good editing behaviour as a Barnstar. > > Not quite. A barnstar means one person, somewhere, wanted to say "well done". It doesn't mean the user's work generally or their condu

Re: [Foundation-l] breaking English Wikipedia apart

2011-03-14 Thread FT2
The contradiction resolves in that "routinely" means "commonly" not "automatically". Your 2nd paragraph says it -- a carrot that required the acquisition of editorial skills that were within the reach of just about anyone who applied herself, and which passed the scrutiny of the community as good q

Re: [Foundation-l] breaking English Wikipedia apart

2011-03-14 Thread FT2
ell, and anyone can lose by editing or behaving to a visibly poor standard. It carries no formal powers, but by peer pressure alone encourages improvement generally. Two ideas. FT2 On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 10:13 AM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > --- On Sat, 26/2/11, John Vandenberg wrote: >

Re: [Foundation-l] VPAT

2011-02-20 Thread FT2
ast 1/ the US govt is not the only such body (other groups receiving federal funds?) and 2/ we ourselves have a genuine interest in ensuring we think hard how those with disabilities experience Wikimedia in everyday use, when creating our platform. FT2 On Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 7:51 AM, Ting Chen

Re: [Foundation-l] Licenses' biodiversity : my big disagreement with the Wikimedia usability initiative's software specifications

2011-02-19 Thread FT2
Multiple licenses add benefit when they offer significant variant choices of value to a licensor that other licenses don't offer. They reduce benefit when they divide "free X" into proliferated mutually incompatible X's, divided by use and reuse conditions that confuse or cause

Re: [Foundation-l] Criticism of employees (was VPAT)

2011-02-18 Thread FT2
pact. That's by *both admins and non-admins* (no reason to give excess leeway to long term non-admins to harm the project by discouraging bona-fide users, any more than we would give excess leeway to long-term repeated mis-citers or persistent original researchers). FT2 On Sat, Feb 19,

Re: [Foundation-l] Criticism of employees (was VPAT)

2011-02-18 Thread FT2
veterans of internet wars. It's a habit. It can be learned, and it can be expected, and it can happen here as well. You'd be surprised how fast people learn when it's needed to do what they want. FT2 On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 1:39 AM, Marc Riddell wrote: > > > On Thu, Feb 1

Re: [Foundation-l] The matrix, reloaded (movement roles, or who does what in Wikimedia?)

2011-02-18 Thread FT2
;foundation" - "globally" mean and what does it say about how business partnerships will be selected, created or managed, decisions made about them, and choices about resources used on them? Without that kind of level of data it's not possible to say whether the conceptual

Re: [Foundation-l] The matrix, reloaded (movement roles, or who does what in Wikimedia?)

2011-02-18 Thread FT2
t;Globally", or that Advocacy+lobbying/Groups is "Support groups", tells me precisely zero of any value about any organizational matter, roles, work needed, and so on. Can someone expand this considerably? Thanks. FT2 2011/2/18 Delphine Ménard > Hi all, > > The Mo

Re: [Foundation-l] Criticism of employees (was VPAT)

2011-02-18 Thread FT2
discuss, who can be relied on as their job to pass things on and ensure they don't lapse or get forgotten, and to get answers when a routine ordinary question comes up, might be no bad thing. FT2 On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 5:23 PM, Fred Bauder wrote: > > > > > One suggestion I

Re: [Foundation-l] Criticism of employees (was VPAT)

2011-02-17 Thread FT2
s to be at the office and responsive to the community on lists and wikis, ensure community questions and concerns are addressed or not lost, where other staff may not be able to do so as fully as some would wish. It'd cost, but it may well be worth it. Worthwhile? Or wasteful? FT2 On Thu, Feb 17, 2

Re: [Foundation-l] Criticism of employees (was VPAT)

2011-02-17 Thread FT2
focus and the work roles of those who contribute to the mission by working as staff is the other. Hope this is of use or interest. Peace. FT2 On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 5:00 AM, MZMcBride wrote: > It's not about assuming that Wikimedia's positions are "wrong," tha

Re: [Foundation-l] VPAT

2011-02-16 Thread FT2
p://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/vpat-3.html and http://www.mozilla.org/access/section508 FT2 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

Re: [Foundation-l] Shorter Url for non-latin languages

2011-02-13 Thread FT2
Yes x 2. But keep the links simple, so extended subdomains (en.wp.wmf.org) is too long. Just one domain, and let the shortener cover all wikis not just one. FT2 On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 11:08 AM, Alison M. Wheeler < wikime...@alisonwheeler.com> wrote: > An alternative would be to c

Re: [Foundation-l] Shorter Url for non-latin languages

2011-02-12 Thread FT2
People will want to link to permalinks. 8 chars, 64 character set (a-z A-Z 0-9 and 2 others). Unlikely to run out for the foreseeable future. FT2 On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 11:26 AM, Jiri Hofman wrote: > Since (26*2+10)**5 = 916132832 , five chars should be enough for all > articles fo

Re: [Foundation-l] Shorter Url for non-latin languages

2011-02-11 Thread FT2
any others on the open mailing list, but if the idea is worth trying, I'm sure we'll find out to whom to send suggestions. FT2 On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 11:56 PM, MZMcBride wrote: > David Gerard wrote: > > On 11 February 2011 11:30, Mingli Yuan wrote: > >> So I

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Project Proposal - wiki to monitor the government spending - GovSpendWatch Wiki

2010-12-16 Thread FT2
wikis for the kind of proposal you have. Perhaps set up a wiki on a wiki farm<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki_farm> ? FT2 On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 3:29 AM, Ryan Lomonaco wrote: > Forwarded to the whole list on behalf of a non-member. > > -- Forwarded message -- >

Re: [Foundation-l] Old Wikipedia backups discovered

2010-12-14 Thread FT2
See "see also" etc in [[History of Wikipedia]]. FT2 On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 7:27 PM, phoebe ayers wrote: > FYI, there is an existing timeline at: > > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_timeline > > And lots of other wikipedia history pages on English, too. > &

Re: [Foundation-l] Old Wikipedia backups discovered

2010-12-14 Thread FT2
Would prefer on its own wiki as this is comprehensive up to a given date. Maybe January2001.wikipedia.org -- immediate impact. (DNS software cannot handle 2001.wikipedia.org) FT2 On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 6:04 PM, phoebe ayers wrote: > On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 7:54 AM, Tim Starling >

Re: [Foundation-l] Old Wikipedia backups discovered

2010-12-14 Thread FT2
Winrar's your best bet. Other archivers may be equally good. FT2 On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 5:53 PM, wrote: > In a message dated 12/14/2010 8:21:09 AM Pacific Standard Time, > steven.wall...@gmail.com writes: > > > > This is fantastic, and the timing could not be better.

Re: [Foundation-l] Old Wikipedia backups discovered

2010-12-14 Thread FT2
Wow, Tim. Just wow! Is it just me who sees NYT carrying a headline, "On eve of 10th anniversary, WIkipedia developers turn up earliest records" ? FT2 On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 3:54 PM, Tim Starling wrote: > I was looking through some old files in our SourceForge project. I &g

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia articles based on Wikileaks material

2010-12-12 Thread FT2
or a few do, we decide first whether it meets our inclusion criteria, then how to represent it if an article is viable. NPOV is not an inclusion policy. (*Reductio ad absurdum *version: - many articles are kept with just a handful (<5) sources; this implies "mainstream" did not notice

Re: [Foundation-l] Paypal removal?

2010-12-11 Thread FT2
d. Individual users may wish to make a stand though. (without dragging WP/M into it). FT2 On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 12:39 PM, aude wrote: > On Dec 11, 2010, at 12:31 AM, Robert Tice wrote: > > > I suggest that use of Paypal is contraindicated due to their > > deliberat

Re: [Foundation-l] Accuracy required

2010-12-09 Thread FT2
Sure (and in reply to your off-list mail, it's fine, easily done). The questions seemed genuine and seeking a genuine explanation. If it's been covered elsewhere that's good enough. FT2 On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 10:32 PM, Ryan Lomonaco wrote: > FT2, > > Please let it go

Re: [Foundation-l] Accuracy required

2010-12-09 Thread FT2
he only person dealt with under a real name *by pt-arbcom*. But nobody has said you were or weren't. Hope this helps? FT2 On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 7:37 PM, Virgilio A. P. Machado wrote: > 1) No real names will be disclosed on this list on account of the request > made. > > 2) No

Re: [Foundation-l] Accuracy required

2010-12-08 Thread FT2
possible. But if the user's username is their real name then it will be named in the case for that reason. FT2 On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 2:53 PM, John Vandenberg wrote: > I am not aware of cases on English Wikipedia which are named after the > person except where that person used their na

Re: [Foundation-l] Accuracy required

2010-12-08 Thread FT2
names too. Check it out, if you like, but please don't publicize a list. FT2 On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 2:28 PM, Virgilio A. P. Machado wrote: > Still practicing, after all these years. > > From the information provided to this list, it is reasonable to > assume that other wikiped

Re: [Foundation-l] Accuracy required

2010-12-07 Thread FT2
academy I live near or worked with in the past.) FT2 On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 1:34 PM, FT2 wrote: > When a person says "by an arbcom" it implies by one of several arbcoms that > exist. The word "an" (um/uma) suggests one of several/many. > > Perhaps more accuratel

Re: [Foundation-l] Accuracy required

2010-12-07 Thread FT2
quot;) in English implies information provided that may or may not be useful to the reader but is given because it is possibly helpful. FT2 On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Virgilio A. P. Machado wrote: > Let's see if perfect practice makes perfect. > > The quoted tag line, &qu

Re: [Foundation-l] Pieter Kuiper

2010-12-07 Thread FT2
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 5:48 PM, Virgilio A. P. Machado wrote: > The only Wikipedian that has been dealt with by an arbcom by his real > name, NOT his user name! > This tag line is extremely inaccurate, for what it's worth. FT2. __

Re: [Foundation-l] Use Wikipedia as a Marketing Tool

2010-12-07 Thread FT2
ly you are to seem legitimate and > “notable” -- a precondition for inclusion." > > legitimate and notable by facebook, twitter and blogs? > > przykuta > "legitimate" as any kind of inclusion criterion at all? FT2 ___ founda

Re: [Foundation-l] Corporate Social Responsibility

2010-11-20 Thread FT2
imately the decision is because as a charitable foundation, WMF can deliver its mission far more if it identifies providers of those skills at commercial rates, pays them, and acquires funds by donation to do so, than if it sought to obtain those services without pay by volunatry effort. FT2 On Sa

Re: [Foundation-l] Paid editing comes of age

2010-11-18 Thread FT2
I drafted this. It still seems the best approach in terms of keeping good editing and reducing problematic editing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:FT2/Commercial_and_paid_editing FT2 On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 12:05 AM, David Goodman wrote: > Most current paid editing gets deleted at Spe

Re: [Foundation-l] A question for American Wikimedians

2010-11-17 Thread FT2
m as a foundation to maximize our efforts by removing barriers that research suggests may have wider impact or affect larger groups and sectors of the population. FT2 On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 6:30 AM, Keegan Peterzell wrote: > I would not wish that world upon anyone, Fred. African Americans are >

Re: [Foundation-l] wikimedia fundraiser

2010-11-14 Thread FT2
s the Wikimedia mission isn't just "build a website" but "make available free knowledge". In that context people willing to care matter, as an integral part of the mission. FT2 On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 8:47 PM, Bod Notbod wrote: > On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 3:17 PM, luk

Re: [Foundation-l] Should we offer to host citizendium?

2010-11-12 Thread FT2
Point her to this thread? If it isn't needed this time it may be salient not too far in future for other things. FT2 On 11/12/10, David Gerard wrote: > Probably we should ask Danese first, she'd have to make sure we had > the techs and resources on hand

Re: [Foundation-l] Should we offer to host citizendium?

2010-11-12 Thread FT2
quot;, would do the job.. FT2 On 11/12/10, Hans A. Rosbach wrote: > We have become the superpower, and that gives us a moral obligation to think > beyond our own projects. Among the things we ought to be wary of is > monoculture. If Wikipedia becomes the only source for encyclop

Re: [Foundation-l] Should we offer to host citizendium?

2010-11-12 Thread FT2
cess was followed in that eventuality. Those would be my questions. They may be fine, but they are the ones I would focus on as deciders, given that bandwidth and tech support will probably not be a huge factor (use their own server or make a spare one available?). FT2 On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 7:5

Re: [Foundation-l] Funding Sources of Medical Research, was Misplaced Reliance, was Re: Paid editing...

2010-11-07 Thread FT2
n any stage, who could so assess it. So in principle this is always true even in specific cases it doesn't happen. FT2 On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 1:44 AM, John Vandenberg wrote: > On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 12:28 PM, FT2 wrote: > > Not so. The difference is we document reliable sources, we

Re: [Foundation-l] Funding Sources of Medical Research, was Misplaced Reliance, was Re: Paid editing...

2010-11-07 Thread FT2
quot;. By contrast academics and researchers writing papers are forming their own view. So the factors going into that are crucial to assess the quality and basis of that view and reliance a reader may wish to personally place on it. FT2 On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 12:22 AM, geni wrote: > On 7 No

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