Re: [Foundation-l] Image filter

On 10 March 2012 00:57, Ray Saintonge wrote: > On 03/09/12 6:06 AM, Neil Babbage wrote: > >> Wikimedia is not supposed to be some kind of exercise in perfection for >> perfection's sake. It's supposed to be open, accessible and useful. >> >> >> "Useful", like "notable" is another of those words

Re: [Foundation-l] Controversial content software status

On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 2:16 AM, Ray Saintonge wrote: > On 03/08/12 2:20 AM, Theo10011 wrote: > >> The other issue is morality and responsibility. I don't think any >> executives or board members should make a statement about that video. It's >> a stated policy that they are not responsible for t

Re: [Foundation-l] Controversial content software status

On 03/08/12 2:20 AM, Theo10011 wrote: The other issue is morality and responsibility. I don't think any executives or board members should make a statement about that video. It's a stated policy that they are not responsible for the content on the project. To hold them legally or morally responsi

Re: [Foundation-l] Controversial content software status

On 03/08/12 3:23 AM, Thomas Morton wrote: On 8 March 2012 11:01, Ray Saintonge wrote: On 03/07/12 3:29 PM, Thomas Morton wrote: On 7 Mar 2012, at 23:16, David Gerard wrote: We're beyond mainstream and are now infrastructure. We're part of the assumed background. Academia and museums come to

Re: [Foundation-l] Image filter

On 03/09/12 6:06 AM, Neil Babbage wrote: Wikimedia is not supposed to be some kind of exercise in perfection for perfection's sake. It's supposed to be open, accessible and useful. "Useful", like "notable" is another of those words that cannot be easily defined. In many otherwise non-controve

[Foundation-l] IRC office hours with Sue Gardner

Hi everyone, On Monday at 18:30 UTC, Sue will be having office hours. As usual, it's in #wikimedia-office. Check local date and time here: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?hour=18&min=30&sec=0&day=12&month=3&year=2012 . All the usual details are at http://meta.wikimedia.org/

Re: [Foundation-l] introduction (community communications for Wikidata)

On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 12:36 PM, Kim Bruning wrote: > http://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/ > > I haven't looked at that in a while. > Heh, I wonder what the current status is? Kipcool's the primary maintainer, and I believe it's exclusively used on http://www.ome

Re: [Foundation-l] Image filter

On Fri, Mar 09, 2012 at 02:17:28PM +, Thomas Morton wrote: > Improving the filtering of information is a critical facet of making it > accessible to as many people as possible. If a Muslim refuses to go to > Wikipedia because of our image policy - which we (realistically) impose on > him - then

Re: [Foundation-l] introduction (community communications for Wikidata)

On Fri, Mar 09, 2012 at 06:13:10PM +0100, Lydia Pintscher wrote: > Hi everyone! > > I wanted to take a moment to introduce myself. I'm Lydia and just > started working for Wikimedia Germany. Some of you might know me from > my work in Free Software projects. > > I'll be a part of the team working

Re: [Foundation-l] [Wikidata-l] introduction (community communications for Wikidata)

Welcome Lydia, it's an exciting time to work with WMDE, best of luck in your new role. Dario On Mar 9, 2012, at 9:13 AM, Lydia Pintscher wrote: > Hi everyone! > > I wanted to take a moment to introduce myself. I'm Lydia and just > started working for Wikimedia Germany. Some of you might know m

Re: [Foundation-l] Image filter

On 9 March 2012 17:34, Tobias Oelgarte wrote: > The little difference is that we aren't a store and have no front or back > room. We are a skyscraper with an elevator and hundreds of buttons for every > floor, while kids tend to press on any button at once. No, we are a gigantic media-funfair car

Re: [Foundation-l] Controversial content software status

On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 2:31 PM, David Gerard wrote: > On 9 March 2012 13:52, Nathan wrote: > > > So what you're saying is, you feel confident that everyone agrees with > you, > > and thus perfectly comfortable speaking on behalf of the entire > community? > > I see. > > > I thought he was noting

Re: [Foundation-l] Image filter

Am 09.03.2012 18:15, schrieb Andreas Kolbe: On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 2:06 PM, Neil Babbage wrote: If you ran a charity store committed to providing educational products free to all who needed them you wouldn't get many children as customers if you put hardcore sex products right by the entrance

Re: [Foundation-l] introduction (community communications for Wikidata)

On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 12:13 PM, Lydia Pintscher wrote: > Hi everyone! > > I wanted to take a moment to introduce myself. I'm Lydia and just > started working for Wikimedia Germany. Some of you might know me from > my work in Free Software projects. Congratulations--to you and to Wikimedia German

Re: [Foundation-l] Image filter

On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 2:06 PM, Neil Babbage wrote: > If you ran a charity store committed to providing educational products > free to all who needed them you wouldn't get many children as customers if > you put hardcore sex products right by the entrance. ^^^ This. ^^^ __

[Foundation-l] introduction (community communications for Wikidata)

Hi everyone! I wanted to take a moment to introduce myself. I'm Lydia and just started working for Wikimedia Germany. Some of you might know me from my work in Free Software projects. I'll be a part of the team working on Wikidata (http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata) - the goal of the projec

Re: [Foundation-l] Controversial content software status

On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Nathan wrote: > It's > simply common courtesy not to speak on behalf of others unless they have > elected you to do so, and I wish more Wikimedians observed that courtesy. > I agree with this. Cimon's commented that the community responded "as one man"; I have n

Re: [Foundation-l] Image filter

Hoi, Forget about Mr Larry Fox, I have never met him and I do not care really what he has to say. It is not even relevant if it is the first question to be tackled, it is an issue that is being tackled. The one thing that is relevant is: is this something that prevents the use of Commons. If this i

Re: [Foundation-l] Controversial content software status

On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 9:31 AM, David Gerard wrote: > On 9 March 2012 13:52, Nathan wrote: > > > So what you're saying is, you feel confident that everyone agrees with > you, > > and thus perfectly comfortable speaking on behalf of the entire > community? > > I see. > > > I thought he was noting

Re: [Foundation-l] Image filter

Am 09.03.2012 15:50, schrieb Thomas Morton: On 9 March 2012 14:47, Tobias Oelgartewrote: Am 09.03.2012 15:34, schrieb Gerard Meijssen: The question you have to ask yourself, where is the value in Commons when we do not optimise it as much as possible so that it will be the repository of cho

Re: [Foundation-l] Image filter

On 9 March 2012 14:50, Thomas Morton wrote: > Partly because it is the low hanging fruit (i.e. the thing that will have > the most impact in forwarding our goals of accessible knowledge). Citation needed. - d. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundati

Re: [Foundation-l] Image filter

On 9 March 2012 14:47, Tobias Oelgarte wrote: > Am 09.03.2012 15:34, schrieb Gerard Meijssen: > > The question you have to ask yourself, where is the value in Commons when >> we do not optimise it as much as possible so that it will be the >> repository >> of choice of freely licensed imagery. >>

Re: [Foundation-l] Image filter

Am 09.03.2012 15:34, schrieb Gerard Meijssen: The question you have to ask yourself, where is the value in Commons when we do not optimise it as much as possible so that it will be the repository of choice of freely licensed imagery. Thanks, GerardM That's right. But why did the current app

Re: [Foundation-l] Image filter

Hoi, With all due respect, there are plenty of images that do not particularly add to the sum of all wisdom. There are plenty of images in that category that do not add anything at all to what is already there. Commons has as its motto: "a database of 12,349,098

Re: [Foundation-l] Controversial content software status

On 9 March 2012 13:52, Nathan wrote: > So what you're saying is, you feel confident that everyone agrees with you, > and thus perfectly comfortable speaking on behalf of the entire community? > I see. I thought he was noting the observation that when the Board and staff tried to push the issue,

Re: [Foundation-l] Image filter

Yes, this is the critical thing. We work reasonably well as a repository of *all knowledge*. As Nathan says, that is still imperfect, but out of scope of this discussion (I'd certainly recommend looking into it though). We also work quite well as a filter of information. And it is improving this

Re: [Foundation-l] Image filter

And it misses the point that the purpose of providing knowledge is for it to be used. Wikimedia projects will be unavailable to those who would benefit from them if they continue to provide content that is unsuitable or unwanted with no mechanism for the consumer to control it. If you ran a c

Re: [Foundation-l] Controversial content software status

On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 11:18 PM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen wrote: > On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 4:44 PM, Nathan wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 2:13 AM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen > > wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> Whew. We as a community figured that it would be insuperable from > >> the get go, about 9 years a

Re: [Foundation-l] Image filter

On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 5:30 AM, Thomas Morton wrote: > > > > Give as a clear message, that Wikipedia/Wikimedia will never assist in > > hiding knowledge. > > > > The day that Wiki*edia changes its mission from providing access to free > knowledge to "enforcing our view of knowledge on you", would

Re: [Foundation-l] Image filter

> > Give as a clear message, that Wikipedia/Wikimedia will never assist in > hiding knowledge. > The day that Wiki*edia changes its mission from providing access to free knowledge to "enforcing our view of knowledge on you", would be a saddening day. Tom __

[Foundation-l] Image filter

The ugly content censors are raising their heads again. Just stop it and dont spend any more funds on this. I understand between the lines that it was stopped in order to protect the fundraiser from unwanted discussions in the public. Give as a clear message, that Wikipedia/Wikimedia will never

[Foundation-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia Foundation Report, February 2012

Hi all, please find below the WMF report for February 2012, in plain text. As always, the editable and formatted version is on Meta: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Report,_February_2012 and the reports are posted on the Wikimedia blog, too: https://blog.wikimedia.org/c/corp