Re: [Foundation-l] Oral Citations Sourcing

2012-02-24 Thread Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
I think it is important to remember that anyone trying to suppress the truth, will lose in the long run. -- -- Jussi-Ville Heiskanen, ~ [[User:Cimon Avaro]] ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikim

Re: [Foundation-l] Oral Citations Sourcing

2012-02-24 Thread Castelo
On 24-02-2012 23:18, Ziko van Dijk wrote: Those people who would like to write on Wikipedia about any subject can write a book or pdf about it. It does not have to be a scholarly work in every aspect. And then, the Wikipedia in language X can decide that it accepts this kind of literature as reli

Re: [Foundation-l] Oral Citations Sourcing

2012-02-24 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Those people who would like to write on Wikipedia about any subject can write a book or pdf about it. It does not have to be a scholarly work in every aspect. And then, the Wikipedia in language X can decide that it accepts this kind of literature as reliable. (Those various standards are not uncom

Re: [Foundation-l] Oral Citations Sourcing

2012-02-24 Thread Castelo
On 24-02-2012 07:48, Ziko van Dijk wrote: Leave the use of historical sources to historians, and then cite from their books. That's what historians are for. Kind regards Ziko Ziko, there's a lack of historians writing books outside Europe/US, specially on some traditional oral history. They lo

Re: [Foundation-l] Anti-ACTA protest tomorrow in Belgrade and blackout of Serbian Wikipedia

2012-02-24 Thread Milos Rancic
On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 18:56, Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote: > PS I have no idea about the Serbian situation, and I am glad they do not > need to discuss it anymore. Not sure that we won't do that anyway. Just as a warning. ___ foundation-l mailing list f

Re: [Foundation-l] Anti-ACTA protest tomorrow in Belgrade and blackout of Serbian Wikipedia

2012-02-24 Thread Marc Riddell
on 2/24/12 1:35 PM, Nathan at nawr...@gmail.com wrote: > On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Marc Riddell > wrote: > >> >> I agree with you, Yaroslav, that repeated and indiscriminate use of the >> method would dilute its impact; and could come back to bite the Project. >> But >> I think it unwise

Re: [Foundation-l] Anti-ACTA protest tomorrow in Belgrade and blackout of Serbian Wikipedia

2012-02-24 Thread Nathan
On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Marc Riddell wrote: > > I agree with you, Yaroslav, that repeated and indiscriminate use of the > method would dilute its impact; and could come back to bite the Project. > But > I think it unwise and unfair to put a flatly negative spin on the idea. > > Marc > > I

Re: [Foundation-l] Anti-ACTA protest tomorrow in Belgrade and blackout of Serbian Wikipedia

2012-02-24 Thread Marc Riddell
> On Fri, 24 Feb 2012 12:51:13 -0500, Marc Riddell > wrote: >>> It's really unfortunate that blacking out Wikimedia projects is > becoming >>> an >>> accepted method of protest. Maybe we should start keeping track of how >>> often different projects are blacked out, and for what purpose. When it

Re: [Foundation-l] Anti-ACTA protest tomorrow in Belgrade and blackout of Serbian Wikipedia

2012-02-24 Thread Yaroslav M. Blanter
On Fri, 24 Feb 2012 12:51:13 -0500, Marc Riddell wrote: >> It's really unfortunate that blacking out Wikimedia projects is becoming >> an >> accepted method of protest. Maybe we should start keeping track of how >> often different projects are blacked out, and for what purpose. When it >> happened

Re: [Foundation-l] Anti-ACTA protest tomorrow in Belgrade and blackout of Serbian Wikipedia

2012-02-24 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Nathan, 24/02/2012 18:13: It's really unfortunate that blacking out Wikimedia projects is becoming an accepted method of protest. Maybe we should start keeping track of how often different projects are blacked out, and for what purpose. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Project-wide_protests Wh

Re: [Foundation-l] Anti-ACTA protest tomorrow in Belgrade and blackout of Serbian Wikipedia

2012-02-24 Thread Milos Rancic
It seems that this was the protest with the fastest outcome. Government of Serbia said that "they didn't plan to consider ACTA" (text in serbian [1]) :) [1] http://www.b92.net/info/vesti/index.php?=2012&mm=02&dd=24&nav_category=12&nav_id=585437 On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 18:13, Nathan wrote: >

Re: [Foundation-l] Subject: Re: The 'Undue Weight' of Truth on Wikipedia, (from the Chronicle) + some citation discussions

2012-02-24 Thread Fred Bauder
> On 24 February 2012 09:34, Ray Saintonge wrote: > >> On 02/22/12 6:04 PM, David Goodman wrote: >> >>> There are many subjects in which there would be multiple schools of >>> thought with little agreement; anyone following book reviews in the >>> humanities or social sciences or even some of the

Re: [Foundation-l] English Wikipedia considering declaring open-season on works from countries lacking US copyright relations

2012-02-24 Thread John Vandenberg
On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 4:37 AM, Robert Rohde wrote: > On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 3:52 AM, John Vandenberg wrote: >> >> On English Wikisource, we consider these to be public domain. >> We tag them that as public domain and explain why. >> >> https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Template:PD-Ethiopia >> htt

Re: [Foundation-l] Subject: Re: The 'Undue Weight' of Truth on Wikipedia, (from the Chronicle) + some citation discussions

2012-02-24 Thread Thomas Morton
On 24 February 2012 09:34, Ray Saintonge wrote: > On 02/22/12 6:04 PM, David Goodman wrote: > >> There are many subjects in which there would be multiple schools of >> thought with little agreement; anyone following book reviews in the >> humanities or social sciences or even some of the sciences

Re: [Foundation-l] Oral Citations Sourcing

2012-02-24 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Leave the use of historical sources to historians, and then cite from their books. That's what historians are for. Kind regards Ziko 2012/2/24 Florence Devouard : > On 2/23/12 7:29 PM, Achal Prabhala wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thursday 23 February 2012 01:10 AM, Thomas Morton wrote: >>> >>> Splitting

Re: [Foundation-l] Subject: Re: The 'Undue Weight' of Truth on Wikipedia, (from the Chronicle) + some citation discussions

2012-02-24 Thread Ray Saintonge
On 02/22/12 6:04 PM, David Goodman wrote: There are many subjects in which there would be multiple schools of thought with little agreement; anyone following book reviews in the humanities or social sciences or even some of the sciences would know the intensity with which the highest level schola

Re: [Foundation-l] The 'Undue Weight' of Truth on Wikipedia (from the Chronicle) + some citation discussions

2012-02-24 Thread Ray Saintonge
On 02/23/12 11:41 AM, Sarah wrote: If the oral citations (audio and video) were used as an adjunct to more traditional sources, I think there would be no problem at all. On the Holocaust page, we used to highlight a quote (now removed) from a witness who talked to the BBC at the time of the Brit