Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Right to be Forgotten

2012-02-18 Thread Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
Do the people at MeatballWiki know? -- -- Jussi-Ville Heiskanen, ~ [[User:Cimon Avaro]] ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

Re: [Foundation-l] Communicating effectively: Wikimedia needs clear language now

2012-02-18 Thread Stuart West
On Feb 18, 2012, at 6:27 PM, Tom Morris wrote: > Accountabilities, plural? I can understand accountability, the state > of being accountable to another. But I have no idea what > accountabilities are. Can you collect them like Pokémon cards? I want a set of those cards. No, I need a set of thos

Re: [Foundation-l] The 'Undue Weight' of Truth on Wikipedia (from the Chronicle) + some citation discussions

2012-02-18 Thread Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 3:42 AM, Fred Bauder wrote: >> The key problem here is that WP:UNDUE was expressly written to address >> the problem of genuine ongoing controversies, and fringe views. In >> this case there is no ongoing controversy, but the use of the policy >> has for long been used to r

Re: [Foundation-l] The 'Undue Weight' of Truth on Wikipedia (from the Chronicle) + some citation discussions

2012-02-18 Thread Fred Bauder
> The key problem here is that WP:UNDUE was expressly written to address > the problem of genuine ongoing controversies, and fringe views. In > this case there is no ongoing controversy, but the use of the policy > has for long been used to remove new research no-one has even refuted, > much less t

Re: [Foundation-l] EFE: Indigenous languages entering Wikipedia

2012-02-18 Thread Mateus Nobre
Wikimedia Brasil also have a project of indigenous language, the nheengatu project. http://br.wikimedia.org/wiki/Nheengattu _ MateusNobre MetalBrasil on Wikimedia projects (+55) 85 88393509 30440865 > Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 18:50:20 -0300 > From: os...@wikime

Re: [Foundation-l] The 'Undue Weight' of Truth on Wikipedia (from the Chronicle) + some citation discussions

2012-02-18 Thread Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
The key problem here is that WP:UNDUE was expressly written to address the problem of genuine ongoing controversies, and fringe views. In this case there is no ongoing controversy, but the use of the policy has for long been used to remove new research no-one has even refuted, much less there being

Re: [Foundation-l] Communicating effectively: Wikimedia needs clear language now

2012-02-18 Thread Oliver Keyes
On 18 February 2012 22:33, Tilman Bayer wrote: > Hi Tom, > > On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 6:27 PM, Tom Morris wrote: > > Since Wikipedia started in 2001, great effort has been put into > > ensuring that it is readable, clear and understandable by visitors. > > Good Wikipedia writing is clear, concise

Re: [Foundation-l] Communicating effectively: Wikimedia needs clear language now

2012-02-18 Thread Tilman Bayer
Hi Tom, On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 6:27 PM, Tom Morris wrote: > Since Wikipedia started in 2001, great effort has been put into > ensuring that it is readable, clear and understandable by visitors. > Good Wikipedia writing is clear, concise, comprehensive and > consistent. Excellent Wikipedia writin

Re: [Foundation-l] The 'Undue Weight' of Truth on Wikipedia (from the Chronicle) + some citation discussions

2012-02-18 Thread Andrew Gray
On 14 February 2012 06:02, David Richfield wrote: > Relevant: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Haymarket_affair#.22No_Evidence.22 > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Haymarket_affair#Dubious As with so many cases, causing a stink gets the giant searchlight directed on the article, and thin

[Foundation-l] EFE: Indigenous languages entering Wikipedia

2012-02-18 Thread Osmar Valdebenito
Hi everyone! Yesterday, news agency EFE published a note about the work done mainly by Wikimedia Argentina about the development of projects in Native American languages like aymara, guarani and mapudungun. The news have been replied in the largest newspapers and websites of Latin America and Spai

Re: [Foundation-l] Communicating effectively: Wikimedia needs clear language now

2012-02-18 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
2012/2/18 Steven Walling : > Seems like a Catch-22 to me: documents about what we do at the Foundation > are sometimes not plainly understandable, and yet you can't make them > understandable unless you know what it is you're supposed to be describing. It doesn't have to be based on external sourc

Re: [Foundation-l] Communicating effectively: Wikimedia needs clear language now

2012-02-18 Thread Steven Walling
On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Tom Morris wrote: > Commit to clear writing by adopting a policy of "copyediting almost > always welcome" for chapter wikis, Foundation documents and as close > to everything as possible. There are volunteers in the movement who > happily spend hour after hour cop

[Foundation-l] Communicating effectively: Wikimedia needs clear language now

2012-02-18 Thread Tom Morris
Since Wikipedia started in 2001, great effort has been put into ensuring that it is readable, clear and understandable by visitors. Good Wikipedia writing is clear, concise, comprehensive and consistent. Excellent Wikipedia writing is, according to English Wikipedia's featured article criteria, "en

Re: [Foundation-l] My public aplogies to Jan-Bart (was Movement roles letter, Feb 2012)

2012-02-18 Thread Mike Godwin
JADP, but there's no keyboard-related reason for people to misspell my last name as "Goodwin," which is something I've encountered my whole life. My view is that it's normally best to tolerate the misspelling, unless there's some particular reason I want to ensure that my surname is spelled correct

Re: [Foundation-l] Movement roles letter, Feb 2012

2012-02-18 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 18 February 2012 14:48, CherianTinu Abraham wrote: > Am I the one person feeling that the way this debate is going in a stupid > direction that is totally irrelevant to the scope of this list ? > I thought we were to discuss " Movement roles letter, Feb 2012 ". Just a > gentle reminder ! :P I'

Re: [Foundation-l] Movement roles letter, Feb 2012

2012-02-18 Thread Yaroslav M. Blanter
On Sat, 18 Feb 2012 20:18:20 +0530, CherianTinu Abraham wrote: > Am I the one person feeling that the way this debate is going in a stupid > direction that is totally irrelevant to the scope of this list ? > I thought we were to discuss " Movement roles letter, Feb 2012 ". Just a > gentle reminder

Re: [Foundation-l] Movement roles letter, Feb 2012

2012-02-18 Thread CherianTinu Abraham
Am I the one person feeling that the way this debate is going in a stupid direction that is totally irrelevant to the scope of this list ? I thought we were to discuss " Movement roles letter, Feb 2012 ". Just a gentle reminder ! :P Regards Tinu Cherian On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 2:56 PM, Yaroslav M

Re: [Foundation-l] My public aplogies to Jan-Bart (was Movement roles letter, Feb 2012)

2012-02-18 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 18 February 2012 06:40, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen wrote: >> As Sue said, oe is an accepted way of saying ö if you can't easily get the >> umlaut. Using o is just wrong (it would be pronounced completely >> differently). > > I would beg to disagree. And remind people that in the computer world > a k

Re: [Foundation-l] Movement roles letter, Feb 2012

2012-02-18 Thread Yaroslav M. Blanter
On Fri, 17 Feb 2012 00:07:15 +0100, Milos Rancic wrote: > > I wouldn't comment Jan-Bart's wish, but I have comparable position > toward usage of particular words: If email in my inbox begins with > "Dear Milos" (especially in Serbian) by a person not so close to me, I > would treat it as over-for

Re: [Foundation-l] "We are the media, and so are you" Jimmy Wales and Kat Walsh OpEd in Washington Post

2012-02-18 Thread Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
My read on this is that we did accomplish something for all time. We established that we matter. "We" meaning the larger we, not wikipedia google or any player, but the real body politic. SOPA & PIPA are not dead, but they are in the long grass. ACTA it appears is going the same way (hopefully) be

Re: [Foundation-l] My public aplogies to Jan-Bart (was Movement roles letter, Feb 2012)

2012-02-18 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, MediaWiki supports an input method for German in the Narayam extension. There is no "need" for alt key codes typing German... This was possibly created by Erik in anticipation of this need. Then again, it may be easier to refer to him as Erik. When this is not precise enough you could add the