Re: [Foundation-l] Movement roles letter, Feb 2012

2012-02-14 Thread Bishakha Datta
On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 7:18 PM, Ziko van Dijk wrote: > 2012/2/14 Jan-Bart de Vreede : > > It is clear to me that there is a close link between the > fundraising/dissemination discussion and the increased options of > "organising" ourselves. I am also convinced that we > > Indeed, and it may not b

[Foundation-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] The Signpost -- Volume 8, Issue 07 -- 13 February 2012

2012-02-14 Thread Wikipedia Signpost
Discussion report: Administrators, vanishing, and ponies http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2012-02-13/Discussion_report Special report: Fundraising proposals spark a furore among the chapters http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2012-02-13/Special_repor

Re: [Foundation-l] Movement roles letter, Feb 2012

2012-02-14 Thread Samuel Klein
> On 2/13/12 8:45 AM, Mathias Damour wrote: >> >> Why would both "Associations" and "Affiliates" both need to use >> Wikimedia marks ? >> Does OpenStreetMap need it if it gets some grants from the WMF ? As Andre says, Affiliates need permission to use the WMF marks on their own sites / banners, or

Re: [Foundation-l] The 'Undue Weight' of Truth on Wikipedia (from the Chronicle) + some citation discussions

2012-02-14 Thread David Goodman
There are a number of interesting relies. As they too undoubtedly intended the material to be available, (I'm one of them & at any rate I did,) I include them here; if additional come in, I shall post them. operalala 1 day ago In your 2011 edit: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/inde... instead of provid

[Foundation-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Terry Chay joins WMF as Director of Features Engineering

2012-02-14 Thread Erik Moeller
Hello all, It’s with great pleasure that I’m announcing that Terrence (Terry) Chay is joining the Wikimedia Foundation as Director of Features Engineering. Terry comes to us from Automattic, where he helped improve the WordPress.com user experience by implementing an A/B testing framework, improv

[Foundation-l] Movement Roles: questions on New Models

2012-02-14 Thread Bishakha Datta
Dear all, I went through the lists and collated a bunch of questions that have been asked (without identifying who has asked these). I have put them on the talk page of the MR letter, so that we can systematically start considering and addressing them. This is the link: http://meta.wikimedia.org/

Re: [Foundation-l] Movement roles letter, Feb 2012

2012-02-14 Thread Gustavo Carrancio
Hi, everyone! Alec, I share your enthusiasm about wikimedia revolution, and I also have been nagging my chapter with the idea of the shared wikivalues. I ask everyone to take this in mind as a lighthouse in the gales. Governance is not an easy way, and for sure we're going to make some big mistake

Re: [Foundation-l] Movement roles letter, Feb 2012

2012-02-14 Thread Béria Lima
I agree with the idea to ask Chapters, but since the Board is pushing this to be read at 10 March. I have no freaking Idea why that date is so Important - I know you people don't wanna mess with my birthday the day before ;) - but we all can wait a bit more to do things rights, rather than do it in

Re: [Foundation-l] Movement roles letter, Feb 2012

2012-02-14 Thread Ziko van Dijk
2012/2/14 Jan-Bart de Vreede : > It is clear to me that there is a close link between the > fundraising/dissemination discussion and the increased options of > "organising" ourselves. I am also convinced that we Indeed, and it may not be a coincidence that these two letters came out more or less

Re: [Foundation-l] Movement roles letter, Feb 2012

2012-02-14 Thread Jan-Bart de Vreede
Hi Ziko and Lodewijk, Thank you for this feedback. I must say that I was not intimately involved in these recommendations, and my take was that this was something that came out of the MR workgroup, and we had actually waited too long to approve these recommendations. It is clear to me that the

Re: [Foundation-l] Movement roles letter, Feb 2012

2012-02-14 Thread Ziko van Dijk
That's exactly what I did. Ziko 2012/2/14 Lodewijk : > agree. Just review the proposals on their own merits, and consider its > impact rather than its source. >> >> ___ >> foundation-l mailing list >> foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> Unsubscribe: htt

Re: [Foundation-l] Movement roles letter, Feb 2012

2012-02-14 Thread Lodewijk
Hi Ziko, if you're saying that the proposals should not get 'extra points' because they happen to come from a working group that did not function optimally (far from that - although it was definitely not useless either) I totally agree. Just review the proposals on their own merits, and consider i

Re: [Foundation-l] Movement roles letter, Feb 2012

2012-02-14 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Lodewijk, I remember the session in Haifa very well. The audience found it extremely difficult to understand the texts and do anything with them - think of the awkward silence when the group asked for feedback. It must be possible to criticize the texts in spite of their alleged "roughness". And in

Re: [Foundation-l] The 'Undue Weight' of Truth on Wikipedia (from the Chronicle) + some citation discussions

2012-02-14 Thread Tim Starling
On 14/02/12 02:39, Achal Prabhala wrote: > The 'Undue Weight' of Truth on Wikipedia > > By Timothy Messer-Kruse > [...] > My improvement lasted five minutes before a Wiki-cop scolded me, "I > hope you will familiarize yourself with some of Wikipedia's policies, > such as verifiability and undue

Re: [Foundation-l] Fundraising Letter Feb 2012

2012-02-14 Thread Florence Devouard
Indeed Yaroslav I agree these are concerns and it is likely no solution will ever be perfect. I think the best way to limit (not avoid) such concerns is to make the process as transparent as possible. This one is quite a challenge since one of the key point in the process is that the name of

Re: [Foundation-l] Movement roles letter, Feb 2012

2012-02-14 Thread Lodewijk
Hi Ziko, what was presented at Wikimania, was only supposed to be very rough and a first phase. The idea was to then continue the process further - somehow that never really happened. I agree there were and are quite some flaws in the design (for which I don't necessarily see an immediate solution

[Foundation-l] Movement roles letter, Feb 2012

2012-02-14 Thread Joan Goma
> From: Florence Devouard > > > Regarding Amical my personal opinion is that they are highly flexible. > > First they proposed a transnational chapter operating in 4 countries, > later > > they sent a mail to the board saying they would have a national chapter > for > > Andorra, later they propose