Re: [Foundation-l] How SOPA will hurt the free web and Wikipedia

2011-12-13 Thread Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 8:48 AM, Jay Walsh wrote: > Today the Wikimedia Foundation posted an important update on how the Stop > Online Piracy Act (SOPA) legislation being considered in DC this week > threatens an open and free web, and particularly how it threatens Wikipedia. > > The post is autho

[Foundation-l] How SOPA will hurt the free web and Wikipedia

2011-12-13 Thread Jay Walsh
Today the Wikimedia Foundation posted an important update on how the Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA) legislation being considered in DC this week threatens an open and free web, and particularly how it threatens Wikipedia. The post is authored by WMF's General Counsel, Geoff Brigham, and can be foun

Re: [Foundation-l] "Terms of use" : Anglo-saxon copyright law and Anglo-saxon lawyers : a disgrace for Continental Europeans

2011-12-13 Thread Ryan Kaldari
Sorry about the confusion. I was talking most recently about the GFDL, which does not mention moral rights. CC-BY-SA does mention moral rights (to state that it does not affect them). Interestingly, the U.S. port of the CC-BY-SA license does not include a disclaimer about moral rights, but this

Re: [Foundation-l] Visual Editor Prototype

2011-12-13 Thread Abbas Mahmood
The first link to the blog is not working. Here's one that works: http://blog.wikimedia.org/2011/12/13/help-test-the-first-visual-editor-developer-prototype/ //Abbas. > From: liamwy...@gmail.com > Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 04:34:56 + > To: foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Subject: [Foundation

[Foundation-l] Visual Editor Prototype

2011-12-13 Thread Liam Wyatt
For those who've not seen the announcement, the WMF tech team have launched the first prototype of the visual editor, "perhaps the most challenging technical project ever undertaken in the history of MediaWiki development.": http://blog.wikimedia.org/2011/12/13/help-test-the-first-visual-editor-dev

Re: [Foundation-l] "Terms of use" : Anglo-saxon copyright law and Anglo-saxon lawyers : a disgrace for Continental Europeans

2011-12-13 Thread Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 11:37 PM, Ryan Kaldari wrote: > On 12/13/11 12:14 PM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen wrote: >> Using an URL does allow the semblance of attribution, but does not >> fulfil the legal requirements of moral rights. I find it mildly >> distasteful, that >> other jurisdictions laws are r

Re: [Foundation-l] The Mediawiki 1.18 image rotation bug on Commons and on all Wikimedia projects

2011-12-13 Thread Tim Starling
On 13/12/11 02:55, David Gerard wrote: > On 12 December 2011 15:26, K. Peachey wrote: > >> It's been a requested feature for a while, Someone finally got around >> to writing it (I believe it needed the Improved metadata handling >> backend first) and implementing it, It wasn't a sudden "oh lets

Re: [Foundation-l] The Mediawiki 1.18 image rotation bug on Commons and on all Wikimedia projects

2011-12-13 Thread Tim Starling
On 13/12/11 01:36, Teofilo wrote: > Let us stop asking users to individually tag every wrong picture! Let > us have some developers create a tool to find wrong pictures and > rotate them back to their original orientation! We could make a list of all images with EXIF rotation. I'm not sure how you

Re: [Foundation-l] "Terms of use" : Anglo-saxon copyright law and Anglo-saxon lawyers : a disgrace for Continental Europeans

2011-12-13 Thread Oliver Keyes
Not really, in the UK at least. However this is a poor example; it's important to note that UK moral rights legislation isn't *actually*representative. we fail to comply with the Berne Convention on attribution, insofar as we don't mandate it except when the author makes clear he wants it. It's als

Re: [Foundation-l] "Terms of use" : Anglo-saxon copyright law and Anglo-saxon lawyers : a disgrace for Continental Europeans

2011-12-13 Thread Ryan Kaldari
On 12/13/11 12:14 PM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen wrote: > Using an URL does allow the semblance of attribution, but does not > fulfil the legal requirements of moral rights. I find it mildly > distasteful, that > other jurisdictions laws are referred to as "exceptions for various cases", > when CC itsel

Re: [Foundation-l] "Terms of use" : Anglo-saxon copyright law and Anglo-saxon lawyers : a disgrace for Continental Europeans

2011-12-13 Thread Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 9:46 PM, Ryan Kaldari wrote: > [...] Using a URL allows attribution without > creating a hardship for the reuser. This has the added benefit of > allowing us to enforce our terms firmly and consistantly, rather than > carving out exceptions for various cases and having inc

Re: [Foundation-l] "Terms of use" : Anglo-saxon copyright law and Anglo-saxon lawyers : a disgrace for Continental Europeans

2011-12-13 Thread Ryan Kaldari
On 12/13/11 9:02 AM, geni wrote: > Actually it is extremely unclear why we switched. There are in fact a > number of re-users that managed to deal with the attribution issue in > paper form. It can often be done on paper (and easily on the web), but it's not very convenient for audio, i.e. spok

Re: [Foundation-l] The next Wikimedia architecture

2011-12-13 Thread Kim Bruning
On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 05:57:02AM +, Randall Britten wrote: > One more vote from me for a collaborative Wikipedia hosting: In order to > future proof Wikimedia, an even more distributed architecture is needed. > This would allow another way to contribute to the Wikimedia effort: the > dona

[Foundation-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] The Signpost -- Volume 7, Issue 50 -- 12 December 2011

2011-12-13 Thread Wikipedia Signpost
Opinion essay: Wikipedia in Academe – and ''vice versa'' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2011-12-12/Opinion_essay News and notes: Research project banner ads run afoul of community http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2011-12-12/News_and_notes In t

Re: [Foundation-l] The Mediawiki 1.18 image rotation bug on Commons and on all Wikimedia projects

2011-12-13 Thread Erik Moeller
On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 9:52 PM, David Richfield wrote: > What effect would a less aggressive tone have had?  Would you have > been more likely to convince your audience?  less likely to alienate > people? It's a fair point. I think part of the problem is that people are feeling that reasonable,

Re: [Foundation-l] "Terms of use" : Anglo-saxon copyright law and Anglo-saxon lawyers : a disgrace for Continental Europeans

2011-12-13 Thread geni
On 12 December 2011 20:22, Thomas Dalton wrote: > On 12 December 2011 20:05, Marc A. Pelletier wrote: >We switched to > the current license terms because we realised requiring re-users to > credit every single person that made a non-trivial edit to the page > was impractical and hardly any re-us

Re: [Foundation-l] "Terms of use" : Anglo-saxon copyright law and Anglo-saxon lawyers : a disgrace for Continental Europeans

2011-12-13 Thread geni
On 12 December 2011 20:54, Ryan Kaldari wrote: > I suppose we could add a disclaimer saying that the Terms of Use do not > affect the editor's moral rights, although this would be a bit redundant > since the CC-BY-SA license already states this. > > Ryan Kaldari The problem is that the intent is

Re: [Foundation-l] "Terms of use" : Anglo-saxon copyright law and Anglo-saxon lawyers : a disgrace for Continental Europeans

2011-12-13 Thread Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 10:54 PM, Ryan Kaldari wrote: > I suppose we could add a disclaimer saying that the Terms of Use do not > affect the editor's moral rights, although this would be a bit redundant > since the CC-BY-SA license already states this. It may be redundant in the legal text, but