On 12 November 2011 06:53, Bishakha Datta wrote:
> This thread started out with questions about the legal and practical
> differences between chapter and trust, but has veered much more into the
> terrain of funding and money.
>
> In addition, there have been numerous emails on bank accounts, gra
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 11:04 PM, rupert THURNER
wrote:
> to get a feeling about the size, the number of readers, contributors, and a
> trend in it, i tried to find the india country statistics on editing and
> reading:
The major program initiative undertaken by Hisham's team so far is the
India
the result of 10 minutes googling is ...
hisham mundol.
total edits 138, in 38 different pages. active since 4 months, active time
100% paid by wikimedia foundation. no free software development. created
even articles, an example:
* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cafe_Qahwa
sunil abraham.
no edits.
This thread started out with questions about the legal and practical
differences between chapter and trust, but has veered much more into the
terrain of funding and money.
In addition, there have been numerous emails on bank accounts, grants,
fellowships and what not.
I'm glad we're talking about
FYI - The two "Fellows" are WMIN chapter members and signatories on its bank
account.
> Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 18:41:43 +
> From: berial...@gmail.com
> To: foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia India Program Trust
>
> Disclaimer: I'm not Indian, and I
Dear Bjoern,
Thank you for your well-reasoned thoughts. We have taken down the images
in Loriot for legal reasons, and we will post our basis shortly.
Regards,
Geoff
Geofrrey Brigham
General Counsel
Wikimedia Foundation
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On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 9:34 AM, Bishakha Datta wrote:
> My personal view is that there is enough work ahead for not just one, or
> two, but numerous entities, formal and informal, to enter the fray and
> actualize this potential. Already, there are many more requests for
> collaboration within In
On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 9:11 PM, Hisham wrote:
> Announcement of Wikimedia India Program Trust
Congratulations, Hisham. I know this has been a lot of work for you
and the team over the last few months. I look forward to seeing the
programs that the trust and the chapter develop together.
There's
I don't think you've interacted on these mailing lists or on-wiki a lot,
have you?
As far as I can see, barring maybe my last line in the previous reply, I
was civil thorough-out, maybe sarcastic or acerbically restrained. You
don't know me, but I assure you this was not me attempting to be rude.
I'm sorry Achal, but I read Theo's answer twice and didn't find the
"rudeness" in his comments.
Can't we all just assume good faith and answer the questions and comment
with that in mind? I'm sure he didn't wanted to be rude to anyone, and I'm
sure you can assume his good faith and move on.
_
Hi Theo, I find your tone needlessly rude - do you really think this is the
best way to communicate?
It makes it very difficult to have a useful conversation.
Best wishes,
Achal
On 11 November 2011 18:07, Theo10011 wrote:
> Yes, we disagreed on a couple of things during the filter discussion o
Yes, we disagreed on a couple of things during the filter discussion on
this very list, I'm sure you can look it up.
Along with the local discussions, your thoughts on the strategy plan, and
movement roles, I wasn't there at the time to disagree so I suppose you
have no idea. You are more than wel
* Risker wrote:
>Well, given that you've been repeatedly directed to the WMF staff members
>who are able to answer your questions, you seem to be working awfully hard
>at *not* asking the people you've been directed to. Have you even made an
>attempt to post to Geoff Brigham's MetaWiki talk page?
Hi Theo
On 11 November 2011 14:10, Theo10011 wrote:
> Ohai Achal
>
> As usual, I disagree.
??
I didn't realise we disagree frequently...you must fill me in off list :)
> I am a bit more informed of the current situation
> than most people, maybe not as much as the current WMF advisory board
On 11 November 2011 16:49, Klaus Graf wrote:
> You didn't read my message. With all respect: PLEASE NOTE THAT THERE
> ARE NO SENSITIVE ISSUES IN THIS CASE which concerns the copyright
> status of modern German stamps. The office action was a clear mistake
> and it's not relevant how often office
Klaus, I do understand your anger, but please, calm down.
Scream will not help your case, and I'm sure that WMF's lawyer or someone
from his team will come to give all of us a decent explanation.
If in the end of all, there was a mistake, we can always restore the file.
Calm, this is not the end
You didn't read my message. With all respect: PLEASE NOTE THAT THERE
ARE NO SENSITIVE ISSUES IN THIS CASE which concerns the copyright
status of modern German stamps. The office action was a clear mistake
and it's not relevant how often office action werde made if WMF's
counsel was clearly misleade
the practical difference seems to be the experience
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 07:44, Liam Wyatt wrote:
> Hi Hisham,
> Interesting development :-)
>
> My question is with regards to the relationship of the new trust to the
> existing India Chapter. The purpose of the trust (as defined as "The
> obj
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 09:28, Hisham wrote:
>
>
> On Nov 11, 2011, at 12:14 PM, Liam Wyatt wrote:
>
> >
> > My question is with regards to the relationship of the new trust to the
> > existing India Chapter. The purpose of the trust (as defined as "The
> > objective of the Trust is to promote th
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 1:16 PM, Klaus Graf wrote:
> Only in the case of a
> formal takedown notice it is the right of WMF to overrule the
> community consensus.
>
For what its worth, this is simply incorrect.
~Nathan
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On 11 November 2011 18:39, Klaus Graf wrote:
> This case has to be discussed IN THE PUBLIC. As
>
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Philippe_%28WMF%29#File:DPAG_2011_55_Herren_im_Bad.jpg
>
> gives not sufficient reasons for the decisions and no sufficient
> background there is NO need
On 11 November 2011 13:39, Klaus Graf wrote:
> This case has to be discussed IN THE PUBLIC. As
>
>
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Philippe_%28WMF%29#File:DPAG_2011_55_Herren_im_Bad.jpg
>
> gives not sufficient reasons for the decisions and no sufficient
> background there is NO ne
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 2:53 PM, George Herbert
wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 10:39 AM, Klaus Graf wrote:
>> This case has to be discussed IN THE PUBLIC. As
>>
>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Philippe_%28WMF%29#File:DPAG_2011_55_Herren_im_Bad.jpg
>>
>> gives not sufficient reas
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 10:39 AM, Klaus Graf wrote:
> This case has to be discussed IN THE PUBLIC. As
>
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Philippe_%28WMF%29#File:DPAG_2011_55_Herren_im_Bad.jpg
>
> gives not sufficient reasons for the decisions and no sufficient
> background there is N
On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 12:54 AM, Barry Newstead wrote:
>
> More directly to your questions...the Trust is an independent org, so
> technically it cannot serve as an "internal" processor for WMF.
>
I meant "internal" as in within the country, as opposed to external, when
Hisham's email said "exte
Responses below...
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Theo10011 wrote:
> I meant to ask earlier, since the fundraiser already started and this is
> being announced now.
>
No relationship between this announcement and the fundraiser. The Trust
has been in the works for months, but it takes month
Barry, answers will be in line (as a side notice: I will start love when
someone says something bad about WMF if that is the only way that we can
actually see they posting mails).
*So there are some technical issues that we were dealing with regarding the
> funding of the conference that did not e
Ohai Achal
As usual, I disagree. I am a bit more informed of the current situation
than most people, maybe not as much as the current WMF advisory board
member but who knows.
My opinion on this is from a regular community member before much of the
community in other cities was active. I am not af
A couple of clarifications:
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 10:41 AM, Béria Lima wrote:
> Disclaimer: I'm not Indian, and I don't know much about the Indian
> operations, but I needed to answer about something I do know.
>
>
> *Anirudh said: WMIN and WIPT will theoretically compete for funding within
>
I meant to ask earlier, since the fundraiser already started and this is
being announced now.
Is this trust set-up to participate in the annual fundraiser? processing
donations on-behalf of WMF internally? or would it seek to do so in future?
I know you mention FCRA and external funding after appr
Disclaimer: I'm not Indian, and I don't know much about the Indian
operations, but I needed to answer about something I do know.
*Anirudh said: WMIN and WIPT will theoretically compete for funding within
>> India, much of which will be allocated to WIPT, given that it is
>> professionalized (and
This case has to be discussed IN THE PUBLIC. As
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Philippe_%28WMF%29#File:DPAG_2011_55_Herren_im_Bad.jpg
gives not sufficient reasons for the decisions and no sufficient
background there is NO need that I privately contact WMF's counsel.
It's not my duty
Hi Klaus - Since it appears that this deletion is clearly labeled an OFFICE
action, have you communicated with the WMF legal counsel? DCMA takedowns
are not the only reason for OFFICE deletions.
Risker
On 11 November 2011 13:16, Klaus Graf wrote:
> WMF has deleted some German stamps with Lorio
WMF has deleted some German stamps with Loriot motives although German
community consensus is that they are in the Public Domain:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Forum#Wohlfahrtsmarken_mit_Loriot-Motiven_sind_dem_DMCA_zum_Opfer_gefallen
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Phil
Bank, Barry. I appreciate what the foundation has done for us, however the bank
at your end has proven to be a pain on more than one occasion. We have gone
through a lot of unnecessary shit - you would think that international
transfers are quite simple in this day and age. They have delayed ou
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 9:36 AM, wrote:
>
> inline.
>
> > Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 09:21:17 -0800
> > From: bnewst...@wikimedia.org
> > To: foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia India Program Trust
> >
>
> > On the funding issue...this is a bit of a red her
Clarification and Statutory Disclosure: Iv been working on WCI 2011 since April
and have received a fellowship to do this since August. It was necessary for
something to come into the bank while I have been working on the conference
full time (Note that although Iv been working on this since Ap
inline.
> Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 09:21:17 -0800
> From: bnewst...@wikimedia.org
> To: foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia India Program Trust
>
> On the funding issue...this is a bit of a red herring. As of now, there is
> sufficient funds available to
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 8:39 PM, Anirudh Bhati wrote:
>
> The initial idea, if I understood it correctly, was to establish another
> non-profit body within India, for a period of three to five years to
> execute specific (and large-scale) programmes. As of now, the WIPT
> (Wikimedia India Progra
+1 on Achal's note. Thanks Achal.
Let me add that the relationship with the Wikimedia India chapter is
evolving...and it is evolving in a good way. Hisham worked collaboratively
with Arjuna in joint support of the Wikiconference India team. We work
very closely with Tinu on communications (as we
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 10:40 PM, wrote:
>
> From personal experience with WCI 2011, we have benefited by having both
> the Chapter and the Foundation in the country.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>
> Hi
In the interest of full-disclosure first, please have a look here.[1]
Both the organizers are on WMF
>From personal experience with WCI 2011, we have benefited by having both the
>Chapter and the Foundation in the country.
Kind Regards,
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On 11 November 2011 17:11, Achal Prabhala wrote:
> Honestly, news reporters in India are confused about *everything*
> related to Wikipedia and Wikimedia :) Even a cursory analysis of news
> coverage will confirm that they routinely mix up what the movement is,
> what the difference between Wikipe
Hallo Anirudh, Lodewijk,
While I think that this discussion is very useful, it has been happening
for some time - I know that Anirudh has raised these questions before,
for instance. In that sense, I'm not sure how the registration of a
trust changes the situation at all; I think that for anyon
My personal opinion, and I only speak for myself and not the Chapter or the
Foundation (I wouldn't dare!).
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 4:11 PM, Lodewijk wrote:
> Hi,
>
> thanks a lot all for exmplaining the differences. I would be very much
> interested to know more about the ''relationship'' between
hisham
On Nov 11, 2011, at 2:41 PM, Lodewijk wrote:
> Hi,
I'm taking the liberty of speaking for both the Trust and the Chapter in some
of my response here - so India Chapter, please do correct me if I'm not
accurately reflecting your position anywhere.
>
> thanks a lot all for exmplaining
Hi,
thanks a lot all for exmplaining the differences. I would be very much
interested to know more about the ''relationship'' between the trust and
Wikimedia India. You seem to suggest that trustees get appointed by (or on
the advice of - not sure of the legal wording) the WMF - but will Wikimedia
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 12:14 PM, Liam Wyatt wrote:
> Can you elaborate on the legal and practical differences between the new
> India Trust and the India Chapter?
To add to what Bishakha has said - another reason for such a choice
could very well be a difference in the methods of execution, whe
On Nov 11, 2011, at 12:14 PM, Liam Wyatt wrote:
>
> My question is with regards to the relationship of the new trust to the
> existing India Chapter. The purpose of the trust (as defined as "The
> objective of the Trust is to promote the objectives of the Wikimedia
> movement and work closely w
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