Re: [Foundation-l] foundation-l Digest, Vol 92, Issue 1

On 10/31/2011 7:18 PM, foundation-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org wrote: > On 10/31/2011 10:09 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: >> > Robin McCain, 31/10/2011 17:20: >>> >> We must also remember that the wiki edit interface and markup can be a >>> >> little intimidating to a newbie, so opening an ed

Re: [Foundation-l] Ideas for newbie recruitment

On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 7:14 PM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen wrote: > Would it be overwhelmingly hard to program a pop-up dialogue which > would first ask which type of source the editor is citing from, which > would lead to a form with labeled textboxes for the > various elements of a reference citatio

Re: [Foundation-l] Ideas for newbie recruitment

On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 3:06 PM, David Gerard wrote: > On 31 October 2011 13:01, Oliver Keyes wrote: > >> I imagine for the other 14.6 percent the >> process goes something along the lines of "oh, it says I can make the >> changes myself, lets do thaWAUGH, WHAT IN CTHULU'S NAME DOES ALL THIS TEXT

Re: [Foundation-l] Khan Academy contradictory licensing conditions

I think they use the NC-ND version (at least that is the one in youtube videos), as an example, this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0Y8ia57C24 has this tag: > *LICENCE: Creative Commons (Attribution-Noncommercial-No Derivative > Works). * > > *For more information about this licence, please

Re: [Foundation-l] Show community consensus for Wikilove

Agree with Erik at his last e-mail. To me is a nice way to get consensus about this issue. _ MateusNobre MetalBrasil on Wikimedia projects (+55) 85 88393509 30440865 > Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 11:02:47 -0700 > From: rkald...@wikimedia.org > To: foundation-l@list

Re: [Foundation-l] just wondering, are we going to take down en.wikipedia.org?

On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 5:52 PM, emijrp wrote: > Additional reasons to shut down English Wikipedia as protest ASAP > > http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/u-s-cuts-funding-for-unesco-after-palestinian-vote-1.392996 This has little enough to do with Wiki(m/p)edia, however; while UNESCO

Re: [Foundation-l] just wondering, are we going to take down en.wikipedia.org?

Additional reasons to shut down English Wikipedia as protest ASAP http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/u-s-cuts-funding-for-unesco-after-palestinian-vote-1.392996 2011/10/27 Domas Mituzas > Hi! > > we recently did some practice on italian wikipedia, are we going to > protest IP legislat

[Foundation-l] Khan Academy contradictory licensing conditions

I posted a question in the comment group[1] of Khan Academy[2], a great education website. In fact in this page on the wiki of the site[3] under "Our Principles: the rules of the game", is said: "Openness. [...] Open content means that all content distributed by or through the Khan Academy us

Re: [Foundation-l] Ideas for newbie recruitment

On 10/31/2011 10:09 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: > Robin McCain, 31/10/2011 17:20: >> We must also remember that the wiki edit interface and markup can be a >> little intimidating to a newbie, so opening an edit window and making no >> changes may be more common than we think. Are there any stat

Re: [Foundation-l] Community consensus for software changes (Re: Show community consensus for Wikilove)

On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 19:36, Erik Moeller wrote: > On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Michael Snow wrote: >> If I understand correctly, the English Wikipedia is the main test >> deployment for this as an experimental feature. While the feature >> remains experimental, additional deployments to o

Re: [Foundation-l] Community consensus for software changes (Re: Show community consensus for Wikilove)

Erik Moeller wrote: > It's easy for us to accidentally send mixed messages, though, as this > thread has shown. Because so many things are done in response to > community consensus, there may be an expectation that this is always > the case, and that that's just how we work. In this instance, the

Re: [Foundation-l] Community consensus for software changes (Re: Show community consensus for Wikilove)

Am 31.10.2011 18:34, schrieb Erik Moeller: > > The partnership between WMF and the community is founded on mutual > trust. If you don't trust WMF, you can - and probably should - > contribute your effort elsewhere, because WMF may - and probably will > - do things you won't like. > > HTH, > Er

Re: [Foundation-l] News from Germany: White Bags and thinking about a fork

Thank you Björn, may have overlooked it otherwise. and thank you, Sue :-) dirk On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 11:01 PM, Bjoern Hoehrmann wrote: > * Dirk Franke wrote: > >the cultural homogenous group of Germans tends to discuss in German. So to > >give you a short update on what is happening: > > > >

Re: [Foundation-l] Community consensus for software changes (Re: Show community consensus for Wikilove)

On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 11:08 AM, Nathan wrote: > That's a pretty bold statement for the WMF to make - "If you don't > trust the WMF, don't contribute to WMF projects." Are you sure that's > what you meant? Hi Nathan, let me try to clarify what I mean by trust in this context. We can, indeed mus

Re: [Foundation-l] Community consensus for software changes (Re: Show community consensus for Wikilove)

Brandon Harris wrote: > Well.  I wrote the criteria for additional deployment. In your earlier message, you omitted the word "additional" (and an explanation of the preceding English Wikipedia test deployment). No matter; the misunderstanding has been resolved. David Levy _

Re: [Foundation-l] Community consensus for software changes (Re: Show community consensus for Wikilove)

On 10/31/11 11:08 AM, Nathan wrote: > It sounds like Brandon misunderstood the > criteria for deploying WikiLove on various projects. Can you give us > the correct description of how that is being handled? Well. I wrote the criteria for additional deployment. You can read them

Re: [Foundation-l] Community consensus for software changes (Re: Show community consensus for Wikilove)

On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Michael Snow wrote: > If I understand correctly, the English Wikipedia is the main test > deployment for this as an experimental feature. While the feature > remains experimental, additional deployments to other wikis would only > happen if requested by community

Re: [Foundation-l] Community consensus for software changes (Re: Show community consensus for Wikilove)

On 10/31/2011 11:04 AM, David Levy wrote: > Erik Moeller wrote: >> As a matter of general practice, the Wikimedia Foundation aims to be >> responsive to the community both before and after the deployment of >> software, but it doesn't obtain community consensus before deploying >> software which it

Re: [Foundation-l] Community consensus for software changes (Re: Show community consensus for Wikilove)

On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 1:34 PM, Erik Moeller wrote: > On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 6:54 AM, Nathan wrote: >> I see Brandon replied to this thread several times; did anyone notice >> if the question in the OP (if community consensus is required for >> implementation, where was it demonstrated for en.w

Re: [Foundation-l] Community consensus for software changes (Re: Show community consensus for Wikilove)

Erik Moeller wrote: > As a matter of general practice, the Wikimedia Foundation aims to be > responsive to the community both before and after the deployment of > software, but it doesn't obtain community consensus before deploying > software which it would like to deploy on its sites and services

Re: [Foundation-l] Community consensus for software changes (Re: Show community consensus for Wikilove)

Hi Erik, Thanks for explaining WMF's position with respect to not needing community consensus, that is much clearer to me now. I am glad to see mutual trust mentioned. Cheers, Fae ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscri

Re: [Foundation-l] Show community consensus for Wikilove

As better explained by Erik, the deployment to en.wiki was not done with community consensus. The purpose of the deployment, as I understand it, was two-fold: * To address one of the main reasons cited for people leaving en.wiki (lack of positive feedback) * To experiment with new methods of use

[Foundation-l] Community consensus for software changes (Re: Show community consensus for Wikilove)

On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 6:54 AM, Nathan wrote: > I see Brandon replied to this thread several times; did anyone notice > if the question in the OP (if community consensus is required for > implementation, where was it demonstrated for en.wp) was answered? As a matter of general practice, the Wiki

Re: [Foundation-l] Show community consensus for Wikilove

On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 12:14 AM, MZMcBride wrote: > A user preference or some other way of disabling the use of WikiLove on a > per-user basis might be nice. Absolutely, disabling it on the recipient side (so that a sending user gets a disabled icon saying "This user prefers more personal notes

Re: [Foundation-l] Ideas for newbie recruitment

Robin McCain, 31/10/2011 17:20: > We must also remember that the wiki edit interface and markup can be a > little intimidating to a newbie, so opening an edit window and making no > changes may be more common than we think. Are there any stats on this? Yes, it was something like 70 % of "edit" cli

[Foundation-l] Ideas for newbie recruitment

On 10/31/2011 6:01 AM, foundation-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org wrote: > On 31 October 2011 12:30, Oliver Keyes wrote: > >> > Not sure about that specific change, but one illustration might be the >> > Article Feedback Tool, which contains a "you know you can edit, right?" >> > thing. Off the t

Re: [Foundation-l] Ideas for newbie recruitment

hi David, what you wrote fits exactly my experience! Today, my opinion is, that we must focus our efforts on a small portion of Internet users. It is not that WE just do something very great, everyone is doing something! In very different ways. Maybe even Facebook users are doing something useful,

Re: [Foundation-l] Show community consensus for Wikilove

I see Brandon replied to this thread several times; did anyone notice if the question in the OP (if community consensus is required for implementation, where was it demonstrated for en.wp) was answered? ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wi

Re: [Foundation-l] Ideas for newbie recruitment

On 31 October 2011 12:55, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: > What's the impact of changes like > https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Tagline&diff=20130615&oldid=17050524 > ? Thank you for that, that was hilarious to read through all those reversions.

Re: [Foundation-l] Ideas for newbie recruitment

On 31 October 2011 13:01, Oliver Keyes wrote: > I imagine for the other 14.6 percent the > process goes something along the lines of "oh, it says I can make the > changes myself, lets do thaWAUGH, WHAT IN CTHULU'S NAME DOES ALL THIS TEXT > MEAN" I've been editing nearly 8 years and I get that r

Re: [Foundation-l] Ideas for newbie recruitment

2% of the 17, I believe (don't quote me on that), and yeah, saving an edit is the metric. I think we could probably improve things by providing guidance on markup or something; I imagine for the other 14.6 percent the process goes something along the lines of "oh, it says I can make the changes mys

Re: [Foundation-l] Ideas for newbie recruitment

On 31 October 2011 12:30, Oliver Keyes wrote: > Not sure about that specific change, but one illustration might be the > Article Feedback Tool, which contains a "you know you can edit, right?" > thing. Off the top of my head I think 17.4 percent of the 30-40,000 people > who use it per day attemp

Re: [Foundation-l] Ideas for newbie recruitment

Not sure about that specific change, but one illustration might be the Article Feedback Tool, which contains a "you know you can edit, right?" thing. Off the top of my head I think 17.4 percent of the 30-40,000 people who use it per day attempt to edit as a result of that inducement. Admittedly onl

Re: [Foundation-l] Ideas for newbie recruitment

David Gerard, 31/10/2011 12:59: > On 31 October 2011 11:55, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: > >> What's the impact of changes like >> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Tagline&diff=20130615&oldid=17050524 >> ? >> (Probably minimal, readers don't actually read our invitations to edit

Re: [Foundation-l] Ideas for newbie recruitment

On 31 October 2011 11:55, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: > What's the impact of changes like > https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Tagline&diff=20130615&oldid=17050524 > ? > (Probably minimal, readers don't actually read our invitations to edit > anyway, usually.) Do we have knowl

Re: [Foundation-l] Ideas for newbie recruitment

David Gerard, 31/10/2011 12:29: > I’ve been into Wikipedia for several years, and all my friends know > this. I *still* find myself having to explain to them in small words > that that “edit” link really does include them fixing typos when they > see one. > > So my suggestion: tiny tiny steps like

[Foundation-l] Ideas for newbie recruitment

I’ve been into Wikipedia for several years, and all my friends know this. I *still* find myself having to explain to them in small words that that “edit” link really does include them fixing typos when they see one. So my suggestion: tiny tiny steps like this: things people can do that have a stro

Re: [Foundation-l] Show community consensus for Wikilove

On 31 October 2011 11:04, David Gerard wrote: > I suspect our main newbie problem is Wikipedia's utter opacity. > Outsiders have *no goddamn clue* how this thing is even supposed to wo work, let alone how it actually does. - d. ___ foundation-l mail

Re: [Foundation-l] Show community consensus for Wikilove

On 30 October 2011 16:44, Brandon Harris wrote: >        (One of my favorite things about talk pages is that, for most people, > *there is no talk page button*.  There's a "Discussion" tab.  So when > someone says "Hey, just leave me a message on my talk page and I'll help > you out!" that means.

Re: [Foundation-l] Show community consensus for Wikilove

I think he meant the second option, Liam. And I agree with Tobias when he says this is a useless feature. _ *Béria Lima* (351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É is

Re: [Foundation-l] On certain shallow, American-centered, foolish software initiatives backed by WMF

On 30 October 2011 14:24, Hubert wrote: > One problem is that the word "Love" is used quite differently in the > German language. So use a different word. The thing is pretty customizable. > Even in Great Britain. Depends where you are. -- geni ___

Re: [Foundation-l] On certain shallow, American-centered, foolish software initiatives backed by WMF

> together" which needs to be applauded. The existing community, especially > the hard-core who do a disproportionately large amount of the work, need to > feel like they're not "part of the problem" but "part of the solution" in > reversing the editor-numbers decline - and features like New Page T

Re: [Foundation-l] On certain shallow, American-centered, foolish software initiatives backed by WMF

On 31 October 2011 07:40, MZMcBride wrote: > Teofilo wrote: > > The WMF has been recently backing softwares that are a breach of > > "Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not" (1). Recently a totally stupid pink > > heart was added to user talk pages, making people believe it is > > Valentine Day everyday

Re: [Foundation-l] Show community consensus for Wikilove

On 31 October 2011 07:14, MZMcBride wrote: > Craig Franklin wrote: > > Personally, I find the whole "WikiLove" extension to be a bit naff and > > schmaltzy. I'm generally not thrilled when I get a WikiLove kitten or > > anything, just like I'm not touched that my local member of Parliament > has

Re: [Foundation-l] On certain shallow, American-centered, foolish software initiatives backed by WMF

Teofilo wrote: > The WMF has been recently backing softwares that are a breach of > "Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not" (1). Recently a totally stupid pink > heart was added to user talk pages, making people believe it is > Valentine Day everyday, with the result that Wikipedia is now being > used as

Re: [Foundation-l] Show community consensus for Wikilove

Craig Franklin wrote: > Personally, I find the whole "WikiLove" extension to be a bit naff and > schmaltzy. I'm generally not thrilled when I get a WikiLove kitten or > anything, just like I'm not touched that my local member of Parliament has > thought to send me a form letter about how hard they