Re: [Foundation-l] Chapters

2011-08-30 Thread Ray Saintonge
On 08/30/11 4:35 PM, John Vandenberg wrote: > It is a draft. A few problems were communicated privately nine days > ago from WMAU, and from other chapters around the same time. > > I would like an ETA from the WMF on a public version for comment. > This would help. Ray

Re: [Foundation-l] Chapters

2011-08-30 Thread Risker
On 30 August 2011 19:35, John Vandenberg wrote: > On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 1:42 AM, Risker wrote: > >>.. > > Thanks, Bence. Given that the document that is creating so much fuss is > > *not* publicly available, and there are many references to "current" > > agreements without links to the versio

Re: [Foundation-l] Chapters

2011-08-30 Thread John Vandenberg
On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 8:32 AM, Arne Klempert wrote: > ... > We did raise the bar for chapters to participate in the fundraiser as > payment processors. However, IMO the board's guidance provides enough > flexibility to let more chapters than just WMDE participate in 2011. flexibility? Arne, do

Re: [Foundation-l] Chapters

2011-08-30 Thread John Vandenberg
On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 1:42 AM, Risker wrote: >>.. > Thanks, Bence. Given that the document that is creating so much fuss is > *not* publicly available, and there are many references to "current" > agreements without links to the version that particular chapter signed or > authorized, I'd say it

Re: [Foundation-l] Chapters

2011-08-30 Thread Arne Klempert
On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 10:55 AM, Lodewijk wrote: > Because although it is claimed differently (and although Thomas seems to > hope differently) the interpretation by the staff is clearly that no chapter > except WMDE should fundraise - no matter how hard they work to improve. The board decided o

Re: [Foundation-l] Chapters

2011-08-30 Thread MZMcBride
Nathan wrote: > On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 11:07 AM, Sebastian Moleski wrote: >> Just for clarification: did you actually look for these agreements or are >> you just assuming they aren't available publicly? >> >> The standard template for the agreement is published here: >> >> http://wikimedia.org

Re: [Foundation-l] Chapters

2011-08-30 Thread Risker
On 30 August 2011 11:09, Bence Damokos wrote: > On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Risker wrote: > > > > > It does strike me as odd that, given the legendary openness of > > Wikimedia-related projects and activities, at least the basic provisions > of > > the chapter agreement isn't widely accessi

Re: [Foundation-l] Chapters

2011-08-30 Thread Nathan
On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 11:07 AM, Sebastian Moleski wrote: > Hi Anne, > > On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Risker wrote: > > > It does strike me as odd that, given the legendary openness of > > Wikimedia-related projects and activities, at least the basic provisions > of > > the chapter agreemen

Re: [Foundation-l] Chapters

2011-08-30 Thread Bence Damokos
On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Risker wrote: > > It does strike me as odd that, given the legendary openness of > Wikimedia-related projects and activities, at least the basic provisions of > the chapter agreement isn't widely accessible. It would be very > demotivating > for groups to come tog

Re: [Foundation-l] Chapters

2011-08-30 Thread Sebastian Moleski
Hi Anne, On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Risker wrote: > It does strike me as odd that, given the legendary openness of > Wikimedia-related projects and activities, at least the basic provisions of > the chapter agreement isn't widely accessible. It would be very > demotivating > for groups to

Re: [Foundation-l] Chapters

2011-08-30 Thread Risker
On 30 August 2011 10:44, Lodewijk wrote: > 2011/8/30 Ray Saintonge > > > On 08/29/11 1:55 AM, Lodewijk wrote: > > > > > > It may be a logical consequence for the WMF giving out these grants (I > > don't > > > know but wouldn't be surprised if i.e. Ford Foundation has similar > > > requirements),

Re: [Foundation-l] Chapters

2011-08-30 Thread Lodewijk
2011/8/30 Ray Saintonge > On 08/29/11 1:55 AM, Lodewijk wrote: > > > > It may be a logical consequence for the WMF giving out these grants (I > don't > > know but wouldn't be surprised if i.e. Ford Foundation has similar > > requirements), but it clearly is a nasty side effect of the choice of th

[Foundation-l] Wikizine 126

2011-08-30 Thread Milos Rancic
Wikizine 126 is in the process of forming. Please, report your news at the Meta page [1] or Google form [2]. [1] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikizine/EN2011-126 [2] http://ur1.ca/4zn0m ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Un

Re: [Foundation-l] editor survey report

2011-08-30 Thread Béria Lima
They would Yaroslav. The answer is exactly to that question :P My question is to know how many people don't know there is a chapter in a country with a chapter. That info is more relevant to chapters members than the total number of answer about that. _ *Béria Lima* (351)

Re: [Foundation-l] editor survey report

2011-08-30 Thread Yaroslav M. Blanter
> Are you counting everyone? People from places with Chapters and without > chapters? Because that would be a bit strange if someone answer that they > "know" there is a chapter in a country that does not have one. > But they had an option to answer that they know there is no chapter in their cou

Re: [Foundation-l] editor survey report

2011-08-30 Thread Béria Lima
Mani, A question: when you say that *"**Wikimedia chapters got the least favorable ratings (6.15) ... In addition, knowledge and involvement with chapters is low. 46% of respondents said that they didn’t know if there was a chapter in their country"* Are you counting everyone? People from places

Re: [Foundation-l] Chapters

2011-08-30 Thread David Gerard
On 30 August 2011 10:11, Ilario Valdelli wrote: > On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 1:04 PM, David Gerard wrote: >> But then, central planning is famous for its notable successes in economics. > Ok, but is WMF an economic institution? I was hoping to make a more general analogy. How about: Nupedia (ce

Re: [Foundation-l] Chapters

2011-08-30 Thread Strainu
2011/8/30 Ilario Valdelli : > On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 1:04 PM, David Gerard wrote: >> >> But then, central planning is famous for its notable successes in economics. >> > > Ok, but is WMF an economic institution? As a "neutral" observer (i.e. not a member of any chapter) I can honestly say it's b

Re: [Foundation-l] Chapters

2011-08-30 Thread Ilario Valdelli
On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 1:04 PM, David Gerard wrote: > > But then, central planning is famous for its notable successes in economics. > Ok, but is WMF an economic institution? Are chapters branches of WMF? The notable successes should be in no profit organizations. Ilario

Re: [Foundation-l] Chapters

2011-08-30 Thread Ray Saintonge
On 08/29/11 3:51 AM, Milos Rancic wrote: > > What I am saying is that Foundation will have to check every program > of every chapter, no matter if it would give one large or per-program > grants. And it will have to do no matter if chapters think that it is > their problem. > > What would WMF do: >

Re: [Foundation-l] Chapters

2011-08-30 Thread Ray Saintonge
On 08/29/11 1:55 AM, Lodewijk wrote: > John is unfortunately right. The (currently not publicly available as I > understand) draft includes clauses that require every chapter that receives > a grant to abide all US law, including but not exclusively US anti terrorism > laws and trade bans (unless a

The Signpost – Volume 7, Issue 35 – 29 August 2011

2011-08-30 Thread Wikipedia Signpost
News and notes: Abuse filter on all Wikimedia sites; Foundation's report for July; editor survey results http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2011-08-29/News_and_notes In the news: Wikipedia praised for disaster news coverage, scolded for left-wing bias; brief news http://en