Re: [Foundation-l] The problem with Incubator: An interactive journey

Well the problem is that http://www.wikipedia.org/ should remain "language neutral" IMHO. Otherwise, I would propose a link that says "Is your language not listed here?". Unless anyone has any better ideas, perhaps we could work around this by having such a message (which is relatively short), but

Re: [Foundation-l] Chapters

On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 9:23 PM, wrote: > On Aug 10, 2011, at 7:56 PM, Kirill Lokshin > wrote: > > > On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 8:51 PM, wrote: > > > >> I don't think chapters are being cut off I think they are being > >> centralized. Centralization, not lack of funding, is what I believe will > >

Re: [Foundation-l] Chapters

On Aug 10, 2011, at 7:56 PM, Kirill Lokshin wrote: > On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 8:51 PM, wrote: > >> I don't think chapters are being cut off I think they are being >> centralized. Centralization, not lack of funding, is what I believe will >> make chapters ineffective. Frankly, I think cutti

Re: [Foundation-l] Chapters

On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 8:51 PM, wrote: > I don't think chapters are being cut off I think they are being > centralized. Centralization, not lack of funding, is what I believe will > make chapters ineffective. Frankly, I think cutting off their funding would > be less detrimental (although still

Re: [Foundation-l] Chapters

On Aug 10, 2011, at 6:42 PM, Nathan wrote: > On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 7:22 PM, wrote: > >> I don't care what people spoke of, nor of what they desire, nor what their >> agenda is. I never supposed that people were conspiring to fail. I care >> what effect the actions people are proposing

Re: [Foundation-l] Chapters

On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 7:22 PM, wrote: > I don't care what people spoke of, nor of what they desire, nor what their > agenda is. I never supposed that people were conspiring to fail.  I care what > effect the actions people are proposing will result in.  I am quite confident > that the resul

Re: [Foundation-l] Chapters

On Aug 10, 2011, at 3:32 PM, Jimmy Wales wrote: >> Redefining the chapters >> who participated in a joint fundraiser with WMF as WMF's "payment >> processors" is straight-up insulting. > > Whoa, please slow down! > > No one has said anything like that, and it isn't how the term is being >

Re: [Foundation-l] Chapters

2011/8/10 Delphine Ménard : > > OK, I've read this sentence five times now, and this is what I read: > > "Board members agree that chapters should be directed or controlled in > a top-down fashion as franchises" > > I think there is a double negative here that is saying the opposite of > what you m

Re: [Foundation-l] Chapters

On Aug 10, 2011, at 3:20 PM, Jimmy Wales wrote: > On 8/9/11 3:47 PM, Birgitte SB wrote: >> It seems to me that these changes are about making chapters more into >> franchises. Which I find to be exactly backwards. > > It would be, if that's what it were about. But I can say with > confide

Re: [Foundation-l] Chapters

On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 10:20 PM, Jimmy Wales wrote: > It would be, if that's what it were about.  But I can say with > confidence that at the board meeting, no one spoke about any ideas even > remotely similar to this, and I can't think of a single board member who > disagrees one bit with the id

Re: [Foundation-l] Chapters

On 10 August 2011 21:30, Jimmy Wales wrote: > On 8/9/11 1:46 PM, David Gerard wrote: >> (I don't think that is the intent - apparently WMF feels like it can >> mess people around and still get 100% from them. I do consider that >> the problems really haven't been considered.) > I don't think the

Re: [Foundation-l] Chapters

On 8/9/11 10:27 AM, Kirill Lokshin wrote: > A more typical arrangement would be that the WMF would give a chapter the > right to use WMF trademarks, and in return a portion of the funds raised by > the chapter would be funneled back to the WMF. But what chapters seem to > want is for the WMF to si

Re: [Foundation-l] Chapters

On 8/9/11 10:27 AM, Kirill Lokshin wrote: > A more typical arrangement would be that the WMF would give a chapter the > right to use WMF trademarks, and in return a portion of the funds raised by > the chapter would be funneled back to the WMF. But what chapters seem to > want is for the WMF to si

Re: [Foundation-l] Chapters

> Redefining the chapters > who participated in a joint fundraiser with WMF as WMF's "payment > processors" is straight-up insulting. Whoa, please slow down! No one has said anything like that, and it isn't how the term is being used. A chapter is a payment processor if it... processes paymen

Re: [Foundation-l] Chapters

On 8/9/11 3:47 PM, Birgitte SB wrote: > It seems to me that these changes are about making chapters more into > franchises. Which I find to be exactly backwards. It would be, if that's what it were about. But I can say with confidence that at the board meeting, no one spoke about any ideas even

Re: [Foundation-l] Chapters

On 8/9/11 1:46 PM, David Gerard wrote: > (I don't think that is the intent - apparently WMF feels like it can > mess people around and still get 100% from them. I do consider that > the problems really haven't been considered.) I don't think the WMF thinks that they can "mess people around" at all

Re: [Foundation-l] Chapters

Just I have to say Amen to you, Anthere. I see your point. In addition, chapters need some time to make his job, that is, to involve relevant people, to create a local structure that engages people to the real benefits for an enterprise, a council, an academic institution with free knowledge. Thi

Re: [Foundation-l] Like button

On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Orionist wrote: > We do have a great substitute for the like button which is barnstars and > other awards. Maybe a version of WikiLove could be built for Commons that leaves a barnstar or similar for the creator of a file, without leaving the file page. -Sage __

Re: [Foundation-l] Like button

We do have a great substitute for the like button which is barnstars and other awards. These are the ones I see frequently used to show appreciation for specific edits. They could read something on the lines of: "Here I award you the Humor Barnstar for your great sense of humor shown in this edit [

Re: [Foundation-l] Chapters

On 8/9/11 4:46 PM, Kirill Lokshin wrote: > 2011/8/9 Delphine Ménard > >> On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 4:27 PM, Kirill Lokshin >> wrote: >> >>> Well, let's be clear here: in what sense are the chapters "participating" >> in >>> the fundraiser, rather than merely being its beneficiaries? The >> underlying

Re: [Foundation-l] The problem with Incubator: An interactive journey

On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 9:13 PM, M. Williamson wrote: > Yes but again as I said, most people will be looking for their languages on > http://www.wikipedia.org/ or in places where interwiki links are usually > found. Mark, Could you please propose a specific solution that would make incubated lang

Re: [Foundation-l] Like button

Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote: > MZMcBride wrote: >> Hmm, it'd be a neat extension for Commons. I don't think "like" or "+1" >> should be used, as they're not sufficiently wiki. But something that >> expresses the same sentiment, that allows users to express approval of >> good photos (similar to Flick

Re: [Foundation-l] Like button

On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 6:38 PM, Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote: > > Hmm, it'd be a neat extension for Commons. I don't think "like" or "+1" > > should be used, as they're not sufficiently wiki. But something that > > expresses the same sentiment, that allows users to express approval of > good > > pho

Re: [Foundation-l] Like button

> Hmm, it'd be a neat extension for Commons. I don't think "like" or "+1" > should be used, as they're not sufficiently wiki. But something that > expresses the same sentiment, that allows users to express approval of good > photos (similar to Flickr), could be cool. > > MZMcBride > Is the talk p

Re: [Foundation-l] Like button

Rui Correia wrote: > I personally find the "like button" on Facebook the dumbest idea ever - it > means you are too stupid or too lazy to think up anything and just go around > clicking "like" all over the place. It impoverishes the process, as where > there is a "like" there could have been a enri

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimania 2011 video on Commons?

I am interest in using them on wiki. Thanks.   HW 從︰ Béria Lima 收件人︰ Waihorace ; Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List 傳送日期︰ 2011年08月10日 (週三) 5:54 PM 主題︰ Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimania 2011 video on Commons? Not yet. So far you can find some videos here: http://www.youtube.com/user/WikimediaIL B

Re: [Foundation-l] Like button

Rui, I meant the "impersonal you", not the direct you. 2011/8/10 Rui Correia > M. Williamson > > Obviousy I post my thoughts where these make a contribution. It says so > below "leave a comment or leave it alone". > > Rui > > 2011/8/10 M. Williamson > > > Or, Rui, perhaps you have plenty of ori

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimania 2011 video on Commons?

Not yet. So far you can find some videos here: http://www.youtube.com/user/WikimediaIL But they will be in Commons soon _ *Béria Lima* (351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimen

Re: [Foundation-l] Like button

M. Williamson Obviousy I post my thoughts where these make a contribution. It says so below "leave a comment or leave it alone". Rui 2011/8/10 M. Williamson > Or, Rui, perhaps you have plenty of original thoughts and are a very > intelligent person and you post all of your original thoughts, b

Re: [Foundation-l] Like button

Or, Rui, perhaps you have plenty of original thoughts and are a very intelligent person and you post all of your original thoughts, but it seems a bit stupid and like a waste of space to say "thank you for saying that" or "i agree with you" every time you agree with someone and have no disagreement

Re: [Foundation-l] Like button

Hi Milos I am not quite sure I follow. "Those who like would have to go to diffs" ? "which would leave the button to more engaged editors"? I personally find the "like button" on Facebook the dumbest idea ever - it means you are too stupid or too lazy to think up anything and just go around click