Re: [Foundation-l] No tail-lights. What do we do now? (was Call for referendum)

2011-06-30 Thread Nikola Smolenski
On 06/30/2011 07:35 PM, David Gerard wrote: > Further to your idea: people developing little specialist wikis along > these lines, and said wikis being mergeable. This makes such wikis > easier to start, without having to start yet another wiki-based > general encyclopedia that directly competes wi

Re: [Foundation-l] It Is not Us

2011-06-30 Thread Alec Conroy
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 11:37 PM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: > As we did not know the extend to which we generally edit in many languages, > we have not considered the needs of this majority. Our view has always been > on single projects. We can do better and we should do better for our > majority. >

Re: [Foundation-l] It Is not Us

2011-06-30 Thread Alec Conroy
It looks like we understand the potential risks of adding social features, but I don't know that the merits have sunk in. ==Don't call it a Social Network, don't think of it as a revolution== Th first thing to do is banish the word "Social Network" from the discussion. "Social Network" evokes "

Re: [Foundation-l] No tail-lights. What do we do now? (was Call for referendum)

2011-06-30 Thread David Gerard
On 30 June 2011 19:49, HaeB wrote: > I have added your postings to > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:HaeB/Timeline_of_distributed_Wikipedia_proposals :-D Do you have an index of this sort of perennial proposal? Apart from, of course, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Perennial_proposals

Re: [Foundation-l] No tail-lights. What do we do now? (was Call for referendum)

2011-06-30 Thread HaeB
On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 7:35 PM, David Gerard wrote: > On 30 June 2011 17:00, Alec Conroy wrote: > > [a git-like distributed wikisphere] > >> It's not my idea, I believe it's been independently suggested at >> least five different times that I know of. I have added your postings to http://en.wi

Re: [Foundation-l] No tail-lights. What do we do now? (was Call for referendum)

2011-06-30 Thread Alec Conroy
On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 10:35 AM, David Gerard wrote: > Adapting MediaWiki to git has been tried a few times. I suspect the > problem is that the software deeply assumes a database behind it, not > a version-controlled file tree. Wrong model for an easy fix to > MediaWiki itself. Yeah, I don't me

[Foundation-l] No tail-lights. What do we do now? (was Call for referendum)

2011-06-30 Thread David Gerard
On 30 June 2011 17:00, Alec Conroy wrote: [a git-like distributed wikisphere] > It's not my idea,  I believe it's been independently suggested at > least five different times that I know of.   But it's a HUGE step that > would require a big, bold push from developers and thus potentially a > lar

Re: [Foundation-l] It Is not Us

2011-06-30 Thread Fred Bauder
>> Of course, that could either help or hinder, with no way to >> know for sure in advance; perhaps encouraging more social interaction >> would exacerbate and personalize the disputes and conflicts that drive >> people away. >> > >>From my perspective, this is exactly what is happening. Too many p

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for referendum

2011-06-30 Thread Alec Conroy
> One *big* problem we have now is: Wikipedia has won. Wikipedia is the > encyclopedia anyone actually consults, ever. Wikipedia now defines > what an "encyclopedia" is in popular conception. > > So we don't have any tail-lights to chase. What sets our direction? Well, this is now completely and u

Re: [Foundation-l] It Is not Us

2011-06-30 Thread Yaroslav M. Blanter
> Of course, that could either help or hinder, with no way to > know for sure in advance; perhaps encouraging more social interaction > would exacerbate and personalize the disputes and conflicts that drive > people away. > >From my perspective, this is exactly what is happening. Too many people

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for referendum

2011-06-30 Thread Fred Bauder
> On 30 June 2011 12:31, Alec Conroy wrote: > >> The further we can get away from the model of elementary schools and >> towards the model of the global universities, the better. > > > +1 > > (This entire post is gold.) > > One *big* problem we have now is: Wikipedia has won. Wikipedia is the > en

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for referendum

2011-06-30 Thread David Gerard
On 30 June 2011 12:31, Alec Conroy wrote: > The further we can get away from the model of elementary schools and > towards the model of the global universities, the better. +1 (This entire post is gold.) One *big* problem we have now is: Wikipedia has won. Wikipedia is the encyclopedia anyone

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for referendum

2011-06-30 Thread Alec Conroy
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 1:35 PM, Philippe Beaudette wrote: > *Call for referendum*:  The Wikimedia Foundation, at the direction of the > Board of Trustees, will be holding a vote to determine whether members of > the community support the creation and usage of an opt-in personal image > filter, wh

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for referendum

2011-06-30 Thread David Gerard
On 30 June 2011 10:55, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: > Tom Morris, 30/06/2011 11:28: >> I'd have a problem if people started making overwrought >> comparison to Nazi book burnings too. > Wow, a reductio ad reductionem ad Hitlerum argument. Trained professional philosophers can get away with that

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for referendum

2011-06-30 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Tom Morris, 30/06/2011 11:28: > I'd have a problem if people started making overwrought > comparison to Nazi book burnings too. Wow, a reductio ad reductionem ad Hitlerum argument. Nemo ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Uns

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for referendum

2011-06-30 Thread Tom Morris
On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 02:02, Fajro wrote: > On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 9:28 PM,   wrote: > >> What am I misunderstanding? Surely there is a difference between the "filter >> bubble" that decides what content to show me on it's own, and an "opt-in" >> filter where I can decide for myself what cont