Re: [Foundation-l] Plea for candidates: WMF Movement Communications Manager

GTBOS: http://www.youtube.com/v/l7AWnfFRc7g At 03:49 16-04-2011, you wrote: >Virgilio A. P. Machado wrote: > > So nobody has any idea why things are the way they are? Will I have > > to make a drawing? > >I would love a drawing. > >MZMcBride ___ found

Re: [Foundation-l] Plea for candidates: WMF Movement Communications Manager

Virgilio A. P. Machado wrote: > So nobody has any idea why things are the way they are? Will I have > to make a drawing? I would love a drawing. MZMcBride ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikim

Re: [Foundation-l] Plea for candidates: WMF Movement Communications Manager

It might be easier if you look at it as a numerical scale where "native speaker" is a quality level at or near the top, and someone who speaks none of or only a handful of words in the language is at the bottom. From Jay's clarification: "Perhaps a more clear way to write this sentence would ha

Re: [Foundation-l] Plea for candidates: WMF Movement Communications Manager

On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 8:24 AM, Sarah wrote: > On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 16:16, Fred Bauder wrote: >> Well, I would not be surprised to be wrong, but I don't think your legal >> theory would be valid, after all the candidate fluent in Urdo may well be >> an American citizen and have read at Oxford

Re: [Foundation-l] Plea for candidates: WMF Movement Communications Manager

So nobody has any idea why things are the way they are? Will I have to make a drawing? Virgilio A. P. Machado (Vapmachado) At 00:43 16-04-2011, you wrote: >It is a valid point about David's comment. Maybe us old hands have >become too accustomed to David's sarcasm. Other than that it seems to >

Re: [Foundation-l] Plea for candidates: WMF Movement Communications Manager

I feel your pain. Everything is funny as long as it happens to somebody else. From http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Job_openings/Movement_Communications_Manager REQUIRED QUALIFICATIONS (Don't they know how to write without shouting?) "Exceptional English writing is critical for this role, i

Re: [Foundation-l] Plea for candidates: WMF Movement Communications Manager

On 04/15/11 4:02 PM, Sarah wrote: > On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 16:53, Risker wrote: >> On 15 April 2011 18:36, Sarah wrote >>> On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 16:30, David Gerard wrote: * Should you have been consulted? >>> But here we see something that happens on this list a lot. Someone >>> questio

Re: [Foundation-l] Plea for candidates: WMF Movement Communications Manager

> On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 16:53, Risker wrote: >> On 15 April 2011 18:36, Sarah wrote: >> >>> On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 16:30, David Gerard wrote: >>> > * Should you have been consulted? >>> > >>> But here we see something that happens on this list a lot. Someone >>> questions or disagrees, and th

Re: [Foundation-l] Plea for candidates: WMF Movement Communications Manager

On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 16:53, Risker wrote: > On 15 April 2011 18:36, Sarah wrote: > >> On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 16:30, David Gerard wrote: >> > * Should you have been consulted? >> > >> But here we see something that happens on this list a lot. Someone >> questions or disagrees, and they're att

Re: [Foundation-l] Plea for candidates: WMF Movement Communications Manager

> On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 16:30, David Gerard wrote: >> On 15 April 2011 23:24, Sarah wrote: >> >>> Right, I understand that. But my question is whether an employment ad >>> in America could lawfully say (or imply), "Ideally your native >>> language is not Urdu." >> >> >> The problem is that that

Re: [Foundation-l] Plea for candidates: WMF Movement Communications Manager

On 04/15/11 2:46 PM, Sarah wrote: > On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 15:26, Fred Bauder wrote: >> I don't think it is bias. Giving extra attention to the global south is a >> legitimate goal. Arabic, Spanish, Portuguese, French, English, and >> Chinese are commonly spoken there. There are different conside

Re: [Foundation-l] Plea for candidates: WMF Movement Communications Manager

On 15 April 2011 18:36, Sarah wrote: > On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 16:30, David Gerard wrote: > > On 15 April 2011 23:24, Sarah wrote: > > > >> Right, I understand that. But my question is whether an employment ad > >> in America could lawfully say (or imply), "Ideally your native > >> language is

Re: [Foundation-l] Plea for candidates: WMF Movement Communications Manager

On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 16:30, David Gerard wrote: > On 15 April 2011 23:24, Sarah wrote: > >> Right, I understand that. But my question is whether an employment ad >> in America could lawfully say (or imply), "Ideally your native >> language is not Urdu." > > > The problem is that that's not wha

Re: [Foundation-l] Plea for candidates: WMF Movement Communications Manager

On 15 April 2011 18:24, Sarah wrote: > On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 16:16, Fred Bauder wrote: > > Well, I would not be surprised to be wrong, but I don't think your legal > > theory would be valid, after all the candidate fluent in Urdo may well be > > an American citizen and have read at Oxford. The

Re: [Foundation-l] Plea for candidates: WMF Movement Communications Manager

On 15 April 2011 23:24, Sarah wrote: > Right, I understand that. But my question is whether an employment ad > in America could lawfully say (or imply), "Ideally your native > language is not Urdu." The problem is that that's not what the ad says. As Risker pointed out, you're going way into le

Re: [Foundation-l] Plea for candidates: WMF Movement Communications Manager

On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 16:16, Fred Bauder wrote: > Well, I would not be surprised to be wrong, but I don't think your legal > theory would be valid, after all the candidate fluent in Urdo may well be > an American citizen and have read at Oxford. The question is whether a > global organization hi

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On 15 April 2011 17:46, Sarah wrote: > On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 15:26, Fred Bauder wrote: > > I don't think it is bias. Giving extra attention to the global south is a > > legitimate goal. Arabic, Spanish, Portuguese, French, English, and > > Chinese are commonly spoken there. There are different

Re: [Foundation-l] Plea for candidates: WMF Movement Communications Manager

> On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 15:26, Fred Bauder > wrote: >> I don't think it is bias. Giving extra attention to the global south is >> a >> legitimate goal. Arabic, Spanish, Portuguese, French, English, and >> Chinese are commonly spoken there. There are different considerations >> with respect to ea

Re: [Foundation-l] Plea for candidates: WMF Movement Communications Manager

On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 15:26, Fred Bauder wrote: > I don't think it is bias. Giving extra attention to the global south is a > legitimate goal. Arabic, Spanish, Portuguese, French, English, and > Chinese are commonly spoken there. There are different considerations > with respect to each language

Re: [Foundation-l] Plea for candidates: WMF Movement Communications Manager

Sarah I understand your point, but the required qualification just above the non-English states : "Exceptional English writing is critical for this role, including the ability to write time-sensitive, efficient, compelling, and clearly understandable communications products for a wide range of

Re: [Foundation-l] Plea for candidates: WMF Movement Communications Manager

> On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 12:42, Fred Bauder > wrote: >>> I understood that they wanted someone who was ideally *not* a native >>> English speaker. That was something that concerned me when I read it, >>> because it looked as if the intention was to disadvantage applicants >>> who had English as a

Re: [Foundation-l] Plea for candidates: WMF Movement Communications Manager

To put things in perspective... On Fri, 2011-04-15 at 12:42 -0600, ext Fred Bauder wrote: > However it is hard to imagine an ideal second language that is not > European; only Arabic is spoken by a large diverse population with > internet access. Already in 2009 China had more Internet users than

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On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 13:53, jay walsh wrote: > Glad to see lots of discussion about this, and I appreciate that the phrasing > of the language qualifications may lead to a bit of confusion. > > Perhaps a more clear way to write this sentence would have simply been to > state that we're lookin

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On Apr 15, 2011, at 12:33 PM, Sarah wrote: >>> >> Not quite sure where you're coming from there. Today I've interacted with >> about 60 professional colleagues. They're all Canadians but I'd venture to >> guess that at least a third would consider themselves native speakers of at >> least one ot

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I don't see how can be discriminative Sarah. I (and all no english speaker here) needed to - at some point of their lifes - start to study a second language. We all have problems to speak in a language we are not native and had to spent years to be good in it. The ad forces us to speak one specifi

Re: [Foundation-l] Plea for candidates: WMF Movement Communications Manager

On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 13:29, Risker wrote: > On 15 April 2011 15:17, Sarah wrote: > >> On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 13:07, Béria Lima wrote: >> > Is not a Bias Sarah. Anyone can apply, but they have to know english (if >> not >> > as 1º language as 2º one) and another language (if english is the 1º

Re: [Foundation-l] Plea for candidates: WMF Movement Communications Manager

On 15 April 2011 15:17, Sarah wrote: > On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 13:07, Béria Lima wrote: > > Is not a Bias Sarah. Anyone can apply, but they have to know english (if > not > > as 1º language as 2º one) and another language (if english is the 1º > one). > > If this person is american, chinese, bra

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And no English speaker is able to learn a second language? _ *Béria Lima* (351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer.*** 2011/4/15 Sarah

Re: [Foundation-l] Plea for candidates: WMF Movement Communications Manager

On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 13:07, Béria Lima wrote: > Is not a Bias Sarah. Anyone can apply, but they have to know english (if not > as 1º language as 2º one) and another language (if english is the 1º one). > If this person is american, chinese, brazilian or african (i imagine) that > really don't c

Re: [Foundation-l] Plea for candidates: WMF Movement Communications Manager

Is not a Bias Sarah. Anyone can apply, but they have to know english (if not as 1º language as 2º one) and another language (if english is the 1º one). If this person is american, chinese, brazilian or african (i imagine) that really don't care _ *Béria Lima* (351) 925 17

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> > However it is hard to imagine an ideal second language that is not > European; only Arabic is spoken by a large diverse population with internet > access. > Hindi and Japanese (chinese too but not all of they have internet acess) ;) _ *Béria Lima* (351) 925 171 484

Re: [Foundation-l] Plea for candidates: WMF Movement Communications Manager

On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 12:42, Fred Bauder wrote: >> I understood that they wanted someone who was ideally *not* a native >> English speaker. That was something that concerned me when I read it, >> because it looked as if the intention was to disadvantage applicants >> who had English as a first l

Re: [Foundation-l] Plea for candidates: WMF Movement Communications Manager

> On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 10:36, wrote: >> In a message dated 4/5/2011 6:08:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time, >> bnewst...@wikimedia.org writes: >>> Another quick note on the Movement Communications Manager posting that >>> we >>> are hoping to fill at WMF.  We have a number of applicants, but very, >

Re: [Foundation-l] Plea for candidates: WMF Movement Communications Manager

On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 10:36, wrote: > In a message dated 4/5/2011 6:08:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > bnewst...@wikimedia.org writes: >> Another quick note on the Movement Communications Manager posting that we >> are hoping to fill at WMF.  We have a number of applicants, but very, very >> few

Re: [Foundation-l] Plea for candidates: WMF Movement Communications Manager

In a message dated 4/5/2011 6:08:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time, bnewst...@wikimedia.org writes: > Another quick note on the Movement Communications Manager posting that we > are hoping to fill at WMF. We have a number of applicants, but very, very > few are from the Wikimedia community. We would