Re: [Foundation-l] Board Resolution: Openness

On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 16:45, MZMcBride wrote: > Sarah wrote: >> What is the problem with allowing editors to do this kind of thing >> manually -- open AfDs and RfCs, and the like? Why does there always >> have to be a template, just as a matter of interest? > > Well, you hit the answer to your s

Re: [Foundation-l] Board Resolution: Openness

Of course there are problems, some of them in plain English. Is anybody on this list able to do anything about them? I'm sure there is. That is why I have posted here so many times asking for help. Have I received any help? None whatsoever. It's kind of hard to believe that any assiduous member

Re: [Foundation-l] Outdated manual

2011/4/9 Milos Rancic : > May someone update manual in which it is written that Wikipedia is the > fifth site by traffic? For the most of 2010 and whole 2011 it has varied > between 6th and 8th place [1]. WMF sites are the fifth popular web property in the world according to comScore, where "web p

Re: [Foundation-l] Board Resolution: Openness

On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 7:54 AM, Jim Redmond wrote: > The *entire point* of any wiki is that it should be easy to fix most > problems quickly.  If a newbie makes mistakes - and they always will, > no matter how awesome our policies and tools are - then experienced > editors should just fix the mis

Re: [Foundation-l] Outdated manual

On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 4:38 AM, MZMcBride wrote: > Theo10011 wrote: > > I don't think Sue said "Wikipedia is the fifth most visited website". Its > > 'Wikimedia Foundation sites' in comScore data. > > I don't think you did your homework. > > From

Re: [Foundation-l] Outdated manual

Samuel Klein wrote: > On 9 April 2011 01:14, Milos Rancic wrote: >> May someone update manual in which it is written that Wikipedia is the >> fifth site by traffic? For the most of 2010 and whole 2011 it has varied >> between 6th and 8th place [1]. > > comScore, Alexa, &c use different methods.

Re: [Foundation-l] Outdated manual

Theo10011 wrote: > I don't think Sue said "Wikipedia is the fifth most visited website". Its > 'Wikimedia Foundation sites' in comScore data. I don't think you did your homework. >From : > We are the number five website in the world

Re: [Foundation-l] "How many articles have you created?"

David Gerard wrote: > On 10 April 2011 22:56, MZMcBride wrote: >> At one point there were "anon tips" above the tabs in Monobook. These were >> text-only snippets that appeared only for logged-out users. For example one >> snippet was, "Have questions? [[Wikipedia:Questions|Find out how to ask >>

Re: [Foundation-l] Can it get any worse?

My sincere apologies. Did I stated that it could get worse? I had no idea or prior knowledge that there were people in this list exchanging posts with Newton. Whenever any of you has a chance, please give him my best regards. Sincerely, Virgilio A. P. Machado (Vapmachado) At 22:12 10-04-2011

Re: [Foundation-l] Board Resolution: Openness

On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 15:28, Risker wrote: > A newbie who > manages to find [[WP:INCITE]] and follows its instructions is still just as > likely to be trouted because they didn't use the "right" style of references > for the article ("Sorry, Wikiproject:XXX requires that only Harvard style > ref

Re: [Foundation-l] Outdated manual

On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 3:50 AM, MZMcBride wrote: > Sue Gardner wrote: > > On 9 April 2011 01:14, Milos Rancic wrote: > >> May someone update manual in which it is written that Wikipedia is the > >> fifth site by traffic? For the most of 2010 and whole 2011 it has varied > >> between 6th and 8th

Re: [Foundation-l] Strategy wiki

On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 2:34 AM, WereSpielChequers wrote: > project within meta.  In fact if we are serious about the > simplification agenda then migrating the contents of Strategy to meta > would be a logical step to take, perhaps also with a rename to "new > ideas" as that was what it effectiv

Re: [Foundation-l] Outdated manual

On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 6:20 PM, MZMcBride wrote: > Sue Gardner wrote: >> On 9 April 2011 01:14, Milos Rancic wrote: >>> May someone update manual in which it is written that Wikipedia is the >>> fifth site by traffic? For the most of 2010 and whole 2011 it has varied >>> between 6th and 8th plac

Re: [Foundation-l] Strategy wiki

About liquid threads. It all depends on which Wikimedia project you're editing and publishing. If you have been using liquid threads since August 2010, using them now is like a walk in the park. Aversion to change is, however, a serious question and there's always a price to pay when it is mish

Re: [Foundation-l] Board Resolution: Openness

Sarah wrote: > On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 16:16, MZMcBride wrote: >> The entire deletion process is broken and needs to be fixed. Werdna was >> working on an extension to make nominating a page for deletion less horrible >> (), but I don't believe there >

Re: [Foundation-l] Board Resolution: Openness

On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 2:14 AM, FT2 wrote: > A *"click to get help from an experienced editor"* button, along with the > reverse suggested *"An experienced editor would like to talk to you, click > to accept"* popup/notice, would probably work wonders in terms of support > and perceived friendli

Re: [Foundation-l] Board Resolution: Openness

FT2 wrote: > To which I'd add - a lot of websites have live chat support, "click here to > chat to a customer service agent". > > A *"click to get help from an experienced editor"* button, along with the > reverse suggested *"An experienced editor would like to talk to you, click > to accept"* pop

Re: [Foundation-l] Outdated manual

On 10 April 2011 23:20, MZMcBride wrote: > As far as I understand this, that would mean that saying "Wikipedia is the > fifth most visited website" is still completely wrong, as the comScore data > is an aggregate of the various Wikimedia wikis. As the Director of > Wikipedia, I would think this w

Re: [Foundation-l] "How many articles have you created?"

On 10 April 2011 22:56, MZMcBride wrote: > At one point there were "anon tips" above the tabs in Monobook. These were > text-only snippets that appeared only for logged-out users. For example one > snippet was, "Have questions? [[Wikipedia:Questions|Find out how to ask > questions and get answers

Re: [Foundation-l] Board Resolution: Openness

On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 16:16, MZMcBride wrote: > The entire deletion process is broken and needs to be fixed. Werdna was > working on an extension to make nominating a page for deletion less horrible > (), but I don't believe there > has been any rece

Re: [Foundation-l] Outdated manual

Sue Gardner wrote: > On 9 April 2011 01:14, Milos Rancic wrote: >> May someone update manual in which it is written that Wikipedia is the >> fifth site by traffic? For the most of 2010 and whole 2011 it has varied >> between 6th and 8th place [1]. >> >> Repeating that it's on the 5th place says a

Re: [Foundation-l] Board Resolution: Openness

Risker wrote: >> The deletion process does look daunting, but actually if you just >> clunk through the instructions, >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:AfD#How_to_list_pages_for_deletion >> it's pretty easy, and I say that as someone with a template phobia. > > Keeping in mind that I too a

Re: [Foundation-l] Can it get any worse?

On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 12:47 AM, Virgilio A. P. Machado wrote: > Of course. No doubt about it. We have now reached a level beyond > personal attacks. Now my name is used as a thread. So much for "focus > on the comment, not the person making the comment." Pity you prefer to assume bad faith (I'

Re: [Foundation-l] "How many articles have you created?"

David Gerard wrote: > For that matter, the contents of > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Wikipedia_ads might be nice for the > site notice. As long as they all use class="obnoxious-wikipedia-ad-banner". ;-) At one point there were "anon tips" above the tabs in Monobook. These were text-only

[Foundation-l] Can it get any worse?

Of course. No doubt about it. We have now reached a level beyond personal attacks. Now my name is used as a thread. So much for "focus on the comment, not the person making the comment." Will I ever address the comments made? As sure as day follows night. Sincerely, Virgilio A. P. Machado (Vap

Re: [Foundation-l] Board Resolution: Openness

On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 14:28, Risker wrote: >> In fact a lot of those issues are spelled out very clearly. See >> [[WP:BLOGS]] for whether you can reference a blogpost. See >> [[WP:INCITE]] for a quick way to add a footnote. See >> [[Category:Infobox templates]] for how to add an infobox. >> > >

Re: [Foundation-l] Board Resolution: Openness

I disagree strongly. They are spelled out *as well as we can using current, one-flat-page methods*. That isn't the same as easy, intuitive, inviting, or comfortable, for most people. We expect a lot from newcomers. Too much. When a user can click a button and type *"I want to delete an article"* a

Re: [Foundation-l] Board Resolution: Openness

My apologies for not posting in the proper sequence. This is in reference to John Vandenberg's post of Sun Apr 10 05:54:28 UTC 2011, under this same subject. The two links provided are just the tip of the iceberg. My unwelcome posts to this list go back, as far as I can tell, to May 2009. I am

Re: [Foundation-l] Board Resolution: Openness

On 10 April 2011 16:05, Sarah wrote: > On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 13:54, phoebe ayers wrote: > > * "how do I delete an article?" and its counterpart: "why was my > > article deleted?" > > * "how do I merge/split an article?" > > * "hey, can I reference a blogpost in this article?" > > > > There are

Re: [Foundation-l] Board Resolution: Openness

On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 14:16, phoebe ayers wrote: > I didn't list these particular examples because I thought they were > necessarily the hardest problems on the wiki; I listed them because > they're common questions and have historically been the source of a > lot of discussion. This is by no me

Re: [Foundation-l] Board Resolution: Openness

On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 1:05 PM, Sarah wrote: > On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 13:54, phoebe ayers wrote: >> * "how do I delete an article?" and its counterpart: "why was my >> article deleted?" >> * "how do I merge/split an article?" >> * "hey, can I reference a blogpost in this article?" >> >> There a

[Foundation-l] Greetings from the new board of Wikimedia Nederland

Dear friends, Wikimedia Nederland, the Dutch chapter, has a new board. Please be welcome on our site with a short Dutch/English message: http://nl.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia:Mededelingen Kind regards Ziko van Dijk -- Ziko van Dijk The Netherlands http://zikoblog.wordpress.com/ __

Re: [Foundation-l] Board Resolution: Openness

On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 13:54, phoebe ayers wrote: > * "how do I delete an article?" and its counterpart: "why was my > article deleted?" > * "how do I merge/split an article?" > * "hey, can I reference a blogpost in this article?" > > There are formatting questions that aren't so easy to figure o

Re: [Foundation-l] "How many articles have you created?"

On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Samuel Klein wrote: > On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 8:37 AM, David Gerard wrote: >> On 10 April 2011 13:14, David Moran wrote: >> >> For that matter, the contents of >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Wikipedia_ads might be nice for >> the site notice. > > Yes, w

Re: [Foundation-l] Board Resolution: Openness

On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 9:36 PM, MZMcBride wrote: > Risker wrote: >> I'm particularly interested in policy simplification; I know our project has >> far, far too many complex and even contradictory policies, guidelines, and >> miscellaneous pages that result in "alphabet soup" messages that even >>

Re: [Foundation-l] In reply to Virgilio's comments

On Apr 10, 2011, at 6:28 AM, WereSpielChequers wrote: > 4 What it would be like to grant amnesty to all that are currently > banned and/or blocked. > > It is just fine, providing we continue to only grant amnesty to those > who accept the terms of > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Standar

Re: [Foundation-l] "How many articles have you created?"

On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 8:37 AM, David Gerard wrote: > On 10 April 2011 13:14, David Moran wrote: > > For that matter, the contents of > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Wikipedia_ads might be nice for > the site notice. Yes, we should start doing this. Most wikiproject banners are fun for

Re: [Foundation-l] Board Resolution: Openness

On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 2:49 AM, Nikola Smolenski wrote: > Дана Sunday 10 April 2011 06:36:22 MZMcBride написа: >> featured article requirements or anything like that. They might be >> inundated with too many links in welcome messages (which I view as a >> largely separate issue from policy creep)

Re: [Foundation-l] Outdated manual

On 9 April 2011 01:14, Milos Rancic wrote: > May someone update manual in which it is written that Wikipedia is the > fifth site by traffic? For the most of 2010 and whole 2011 it has varied > between 6th and 8th place [1]. > > Repeating that it's on the 5th place says about us one or both of the

Re: [Foundation-l] Outdated manual

On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 3:27 PM, Milos Rancic wrote: > > * Alexa may be unreliable, mostly for smaller sites, but: > ** Wikipedia is not small site, as well as top ten sites aren't. Bigger > numbers give more relevant conclusions. > ** It gives good clue of what the trends are. I remember that Wiki

Re: [Foundation-l] "How many articles have you created?"

On 10 April 2011 13:14, David Moran wrote: > That being said, I think explicit drives and events that encourage > non-creation and article cleanup are great ideas.  How is the community at > large to know about our backlog if we don't try to communicate it to them? Site notices? For that matte

Re: [Foundation-l] "How many articles have you created?"

Personally, I am a Wikipedian who prefers the creation of new articles to the maintenance of old ones. I'd guess I've created several hundred. It's not that I don't see the value in improving existing articles, I simply find it more rewarding to make new ones. And efficient - being a person who rea

Re: [Foundation-l] Board Resolution: Openness

> What is the purpose of all those questions? I've always provided that > information to this list and if anything ever come out of it, besides > being scolded by the list masters for making off-list posts, was to > gain a new following of admirers. > > Sincerely, > > Virgilio A. P. Machado The re

Re: [Foundation-l] Board Resolution: Openness

> On 10.04.2011 05:03, Dror Kamir wrote: >> Are there people who would like to help me collect such cases like >> those >> of Astrology, Kosovo, the Middle East etc. and/or cases that were sent >> to arbitration which didn't help much and the like, and productively >> analyze them in order to think

Re: [Foundation-l] In reply to Virgilio's comments

More comments: *1 "What would happen if all administrators, bureaucrats and so on were told to take a hike" * Apart from the oddness of having a community choose people it wishes to do these roles and then telling them to "take a hike" (the community choose these, they aren't imposed), WereSpielCh

Re: [Foundation-l] Board Resolution: Openness

On 10.04.2011 05:03, Dror Kamir wrote: > Are there people who would like to help me collect such cases like those > of Astrology, Kosovo, the Middle East etc. and/or cases that were sent > to arbitration which didn't help much and the like, and productively > analyze them in order to think of bette

Re: [Foundation-l] "How many articles have you created?"

> Being a linguist i am often asked how many languages do i speak. I > don't like that question, because that's not exactly what Linguistics > is about. > > Being a Wikipedian i am often asked how many articles did i write. I > don't like that question either, because most work on Wikipedia is > ab

Re: [Foundation-l] Board Resolution: Openness

> I know that nobody has the guts to do it, but I wonder... I wonder > what would happen if all administrators, bureaucrats and so on where > told to take a hike. What would happen if new requirements for being > administrator and so forth included assuming real identities, and a > set of real worl

[Foundation-l] In reply to Virgilio's comments

In reply to Virgilio's comments: 1 "What would happen if all administrators, bureaucrats and so on were told to take a hike" I don't know about other projects, but within a few days, perhaps hours the English Wikipedia would be trashed. With no admins to block vandals or delete attack pages, and

Re: [Foundation-l] Board Resolution: Openness

Both excellent ideas. To which I'd add - a lot of websites have live chat support, "click here to chat to a customer service agent". A *"click to get help from an experienced editor"* button, along with the reverse suggested *"An experienced editor would like to talk to you, click to accept"* pop

Re: [Foundation-l] "How many articles have you created?"

Дана Sunday 10 April 2011 08:53:58 Amir E. Aharoni написа: > The Hebrew Wikipedia conducts "no new articles" days every now and > then, where the editors are encouraged - not enforced - to improve > existing articles rather than create new ones; unfortunately, i have > no data about how well it wor