Re: [Foundation-l] Template Overkill

2010-12-29 Thread വിശ്വപ്രഭ
As a universal law, if something is both good and bad then it should be used wisely, suitably and selectively. IMHO, the same applies to templates. They are most efficient when the patterns are clear, efficiently recursive, polymorphic and inheriting. A possible direction will be to go back and s

Re: [Foundation-l] Template Overkill

2010-12-29 Thread teun spaans
Both are true. Yes, templates are very useful, and yes, imho they do scare away newbies. Templates are useful not for navigation (that could be done without templates) but for sparing human and bot effort. Unfortunately many templates are at the top of our articles, so its the first thing that new

Re: [Foundation-l] Template Overkill

2010-12-29 Thread Birgitte SB
What  project are you speaking of?  At en.WS the entire navigation structure of how to move between Chapters within a book is encoded in templates.  I can't imagine how they could be scapped. Birgitte SB - Original Message > From: "wjhon...@aol.com" > To: foundation-l@lists.wikimedia

[Foundation-l] Template Overkill

2010-12-29 Thread WJhonson
Most of the templates in our project, imho are just more clutter. The number of people who know how to use any particular template, can probably be counted with a box of marbles. However when others see the templates, they just shy away, they don't bother to try to learn them. If we want to ma

Re: [Foundation-l] [Wikitech-l] Big problem to solve: good WYSIWYG on WMF wikis

2010-12-29 Thread Brion Vibber
On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 5:28 PM, Rob Lanphier wrote: > Let me riff on what you're saying here (partly just to confirm that I > understand fully what you're saying). It'd be very cool to have the > ability to declare a single article, or probably more helpfully, a > single revision of an article

[Foundation-l] Some news agency use wikipedia's old logo

2010-12-29 Thread HW
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Re: [Foundation-l] Big problem to solve: good WYSIWYG on WMF wikis

2010-12-29 Thread wiki-list
z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: > wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote: > > z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: > > > In comparison $14m does seem highly profligate. Our R&D budget was £10m > > (approx $16) in 2009, spent almost entirely on software development, and = > we > > have over 160 software engineers workin

Re: [Foundation-l] Big problem to solve: good WYSIWYG on WMF wikis

2010-12-29 Thread David Gerard
On 29 December 2010 11:03, MZMcBride wrote: > The way I read this, you're almost suggesting that Wikia is a competitor to > Wikipedia. Of all the sites on the Web, I think it's reasonable to say that > Wikia is one of the few that inherently was not designed to be a competitor > to Wikipedia, giv

Re: [Foundation-l] Big problem to solve: good WYSIWYG on WMF wikis

2010-12-29 Thread MZMcBride
David Gerard wrote: > On 29 December 2010 05:13, MZMcBride wrote: >> You inexplicably posted this to foundation-l, so let's look at this from an >> organizational/political standpoint. > > I deliberately posted it there because what I'm asking for is broad > and difficult organisational commitmen

Re: [Foundation-l] Big problem to solve: good WYSIWYG on WMF wikis

2010-12-29 Thread David Gerard
On 29 December 2010 05:13, MZMcBride wrote: > You inexplicably posted this to foundation-l, so let's look at this from an > organizational/political standpoint. I deliberately posted it there because what I'm asking for is broad and difficult organisational commitment. And almost didn't post it

Re: [Foundation-l] Big problem to solve: good WYSIWYG on WMF wikis

2010-12-29 Thread MZMcBride
wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote: > z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: >> David Gerard wrote: >>> Our current markup is one of our biggest barriers to participation. >>> >>> [snip] >>> >>> * Tim doesn't scale. Most of our other technical people don't scale. >>> *We have no resources and still run on alm

Re: [Foundation-l] Big problem to solve: good WYSIWYG on WMF wikis

2010-12-29 Thread wiki-list
z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: > David Gerard wrote: > > Our current markup is one of our biggest barriers to participation. > > > > [snip] > > > > * Tim doesn't scale. Most of our other technical people don't scale. > > *We have no resources and still run on almost nothing*. > > > > ($14m might sou

Re: [Foundation-l] Tamil Wiki workshop in Eastern University, SriLanka

2010-12-29 Thread Ting Chen
Congratulations and keep it go on. Ting On 29.12.2010 07:21, Anirudh Bhati wrote: > FYI. The first Wikipedia meetup / workshop in Sri Lanka is a > milestone for the entire movement. :) > > Yours sincerely, > > Anirudh Bhati > > 00 91 9328712208 > Skype: anirudhsbh > > > -- Forwarded mess