Re: [Foundation-l] should not web server logs (of requests) be published?

In a message dated 11/28/2010 9:06:36 PM Pacific Standard Time, russnel...@gmail.com writes: > The policy is very explicit. It says that logs may be kept. If you know > anything about operational requirements, you will understand that that > means > that logs are not routinely kept, but may be

Re: [Foundation-l] should not web server logs (of requests) be published?

The policy is very explicit. It says that logs may be kept. If you know anything about operational requirements, you will understand that that means that logs are not routinely kept, but may be kept in order to diagnose problems. It's not practical to be more explicit than that. Aude has already ex

Re: [Foundation-l] should not web server logs (of requests) be published?

In a message dated 11/28/2010 8:09:28 PM Pacific Standard Time, nawr...@gmail.com writes: > There's a joke in here somewhere, maybe about applying en.wp talkpage > style argumentation to "real life", but maybe we can just call this a > dead issue and move on rather than argue in circles forever

Re: [Foundation-l] should not web server logs (of requests) be published?

On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 10:54 PM, wrote: > > Again Aude, this is your statement only.  This is not an official > statement of what the policy is or isn't, nor what is or isn't done under any > policy which may or may not exist.  You may be satisfied that you are  right, > but > I would rather hav

Re: [Foundation-l] should not web server logs (of requests) be published?

Again Aude, this is your statement only. This is not an official statement of what the policy is or isn't, nor what is or isn't done under any policy which may or may not exist. You may be satisfied that you are right, but I would rather have a citable source. Humans are not citable sour

Re: [Foundation-l] should not web server logs (of requests) be published?

How exactly do config files tell us what the WMF is retaining? That the error logs are manually purged tells us that they are in fact retaining details. What I asked was an official statement of what and for how long. The config files do not answer that question. At any rate you didn't link to

[Foundation-l] Chinese wikisource blocked on China

Chinese wikisource blocked on China, "zh,wikisource.org" is GFW keyword. test http://www.google.com/search?q=zh.wikisource.org , reset, on China, but wikisource.org and other lang wikisource can access on China. Chinese wikipedia: http://zh.wikipedia.org/ My blog: http://shizhao.org twitter: http

Re: [Foundation-l] should not web server logs (of requests) be published?

On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 6:51 PM, wrote: In a message dated 11/28/2010 3:36:34 PM Pacific Standard Time, russnel...@gmail.com writes: > You misbelieve. Listen to Aude. She knows what she's talking about. > I'd rather have Aude cite a reliable source. "The Wikimedia Foundation *MAY* keep raw l

Re: [Foundation-l] should not web server logs (of requests) be published?

Thank you for letting me know that YOU are not a reliable source of anything. Aude, on the other hand, I trust to be reliable. wjhon...@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 11/28/2010 3:36:34 PM Pacific Standard Time, >russnel...@gmail.com writes: > > >> You misbelieve. Listen to Aude. She knows

Re: [Foundation-l] should not web server logs (of requests) be published?

On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 6:51 PM, wrote: > In a message dated 11/28/2010 3:36:34 PM Pacific Standard Time, > russnel...@gmail.com writes: > > > > You misbelieve. Listen to Aude. She knows what she's talking about. > > > > I'd rather have Aude cite a reliable source. > "The Wikimedia Foundation **

Re: [Foundation-l] should not web server logs (of requests) be published?

In a message dated 11/28/2010 3:36:34 PM Pacific Standard Time, russnel...@gmail.com writes: > You misbelieve. Listen to Aude. She knows what she's talking about. > I'd rather have Aude cite a reliable source. People are not reliable sources. No living person is such an authority that we sho

Re: [Foundation-l] should not web server logs (of requests) be published?

On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 4:27 PM, wrote: > My belief is that this is not so. Checkuser logs are not the same thing as > IP logs. > You misbelieve. Listen to Aude. She knows what she's talking about. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wiki

Re: [Foundation-l] should not web server logs (of requests) be published?

On 28 November 2010 23:08, Erik Zachte wrote: > People may not search their name in Wikipedia (although I'm not too sure > about that, many people might want to search for their surname looking for > famous ancestors). Idle thought: given how quick people sometimes are to spot changes to "their"

Re: [Foundation-l] should not web server logs (of requests) be published?

WJhonson wrote: > Regardless of what occurred with the AOL details, that is a "Red Herring" > as I said, because such an event would not and could not occur with > Wikipedia details. > People regardless of whether or not they searched their own personal > details within the AOL search engine..

Re: [Foundation-l] should not web server logs (of requests) be published?

In a message dated 11/28/2010 2:34:37 PM Pacific Standard Time, erikzac...@infodisiac.com writes: > Repost with shortened url: > > WJhonson: > > The issue with the AOL Search Scandal is a red herring. People are > > not going to be searching for their own phone number or Social > > Security

Re: [Foundation-l] should not web server logs (of requests) be published?

Repost with shortened url: WJhonson: > The issue with the AOL Search Scandal is a red herring. People are > not going to be searching for their own phone number or Social > Security numbers within Wikipedia. And even if someone searches for > such a thing, there is no way to know that they ar

[Foundation-l] should not web server logs (of requests) be published?

WJhonson: > The issue with the AOL Search Scandal is a red herring. People are not > going to be searching for their own phone number or Social Security numbers > within Wikipedia. And even if someone searches for such a thing, there is no > way to know that they are looking for details on themse

Re: [Foundation-l] should not web server logs (of requests) be published?

My belief is that this is not so. Checkuser logs are not the same thing as IP logs. Are you suggesting that should a court, three months-and-a-day after a logged in user made a libelous edit, order the WMF to release the IP address of that user, they would not be able to do so? I suggest they

Re: [Foundation-l] should not web server logs (of requests) be published?

On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 3:41 PM, dinar qorbanof wrote: > :) ok then. thank you. i should ask first whether wikipedia collects logs. > > 2010/11/28 aude : > > On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 2:30 PM, wrote: > > > >> I'm afraid our Tatar is correct in some senses and others in this thread > >> are in a fa

Re: [Foundation-l] should not web server logs (of requests) be published?

We should all be asking "Is there really a problem here that would justify creating a major exception to our privacy policies?" -- because I haven't seen one. Did anyone notice how some of the earlier posts were suggesting that it was OK because people can anonymize themselves with a proxy or so

Re: [Foundation-l] should not web server logs (of requests) be published?

:) ok then. thank you. i should ask first whether wikipedia collects logs. 2010/11/28 aude : > On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 2:30 PM, wrote: > >> I'm afraid our Tatar is correct in some senses and others in this thread >> are in a failing  or failed mode. >> >> Each web server, of which the WMF has a f

Re: [Foundation-l] should not web server logs (of requests) be published?

On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 3:21 PM, dinar qorbanof wrote: > 2010/11/28 : > > I'm still not clear why we would want to know the IP exactly for > analytical > > purposes. Some intrepid programmer could write a program which would > > simply collect detailed analysis of a person's in-world behaviour

Re: [Foundation-l] should not web server logs (of requests) be published?

On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 2:30 PM, wrote: > I'm afraid our Tatar is correct in some senses and others in this thread > are in a failing or failed mode. > > Each web server, of which the WMF has a few, collects details on the > behaviour of IPs, in logs. Those logs can be and probably have been >

Re: [Foundation-l] should not web server logs (of requests) be published?

2010/11/28 : > I'm still not clear why we would want to know the IP exactly for analytical > purposes.  Some intrepid programmer could write a program which would > simply collect detailed analysis of a person's in-world behaviour and call > them > "Bob992" instead of 13.42.204.192 or whatever.  

Re: [Foundation-l] should not web server logs (of requests) be published?

On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 12:38 PM, Domas Mituzas wrote: > Logs cannot be read by wikipedia owners or us government because they don't > exist. There aren't any raw logs? On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 2:30 PM, wrote: > Each web server, of which the WMF has a few, collects details on the > behaviour of

Re: [Foundation-l] should not web server logs (of requests) be published?

I'm afraid our Tatar is correct in some senses and others in this thread are in a failing or failed mode. Each web server, of which the WMF has a few, collects details on the behaviour of IPs, in logs. Those logs can be and probably have been requested by certain government officials, most l

Re: [Foundation-l] should not web server logs (of requests) be published?

Hi! > you have mentioned that provider can give logs to government, probably > also wikipedia must give its logs to government, if requested, is not > it? Wikipedia cannot give logs to government, as it has none. > users cannot request in provider's official web forum to make dynamic > ip or nat

Re: [Foundation-l] should not web server logs (of requests) be published?

why my messages are not published in http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/ (in November 2010: View by: [ Thread ] or [ Subject ] or [ Author ] or [ Date ]) ? ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe:

Re: [Foundation-l] should not web server logs (of requests) be published?

2010/11/28 FastLizard4 : > Here in the U.S., ISPs keep records of who used what IP address at what > time.  So, let's say that I had a dynamic IP address that changed every > day.  If I got arrested and the courts ordered my ISP to give them a > list of IP addresses I have used in the last month, t

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Re: [VereinDE-l] Bericht zur Verleihung der Zedler-Medaille und Academy

If we are talking of what would ideally be the cases, we would want people who are experts in specific fields and also expert in writing about them and also expert in the specifics of working in Wikipedia. We have a few of them. We should work equally in supporting people coming to this from an

Re: [Foundation-l] should not web server logs (of requests) be published?

Hello, > should not web server logs (of requests) be published? which intelligence service are you representing? there are hourly page view statistics somewhere out there, so most of data is already out, drilling in more would mean violating privacy. and no, I don't see this as a per-project

Re: [Foundation-l] should not web server logs (of requests) be published?

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 My reply inline with quoted message. dinar qorbanof wrote: > i have said "as i know it is used to make some anonymousity of ip > address in russian providers", it is "as i think", i think that > probably they intentionally use dynamic ip for some anon

Re: [Foundation-l] should not web server logs (of requests) be published?

i have said "as i know it is used to make some anonymousity of ip address in russian providers", it is "as i think", i think that probably they intentionally use dynamic ip for some anonymousity, partially just to connect many people through few ip-addresses. i have said "but that was because of sh

[Foundation-l] ebookseden

I recently found a site called ebookeden which sells public domain ebooks (in pdf) for 99cents. I manged to see a preview of the books through google books and it seems to me that they always add an introduction which is basically the wikipedia entry about the author and the book without attribu

Re: [Foundation-l] should not web server logs (of requests) be published?

i know something about our local providers. tattelecom is adsl provider, which is only one adsl provider in most villages of republic of tatarstan, used to use nat, now it is switching to dynamic ip. ip-addresses of gprs providers are probably like anonymouse. i do not know much about other adsl an

Re: [Foundation-l] should not web server logs (of requests) be published?

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Wikimedia Foundation believes otherwise. Take a look at their Privacy Policy (relevant excerpt follows): "=== IP and other technical information === When a visitor requests or reads a page, or sends

Re: [Foundation-l] should not web server logs (of requests) be published?

Do you have a source that many people use dymamic ip's? Cuz I'm pretty sure most of the regular visiters use one ip. 2010/11/28 dinar qorbanof > i do not think that ip address is so important private information, > many people browse through dynamic ip and NAT. > > __

Re: [Foundation-l] should not web server logs (of requests) be published?

i do not think that ip address is so important private information, many people browse through dynamic ip and NAT. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

Re: [Foundation-l] should not web server logs (of requests) be published?

Дана Sunday 28 November 2010 09:53:06 Huib Laurens написа: > Its againt the privacy poliicy to publish logs like that, and there is It should be possible to anonymyse the logs sufficiently so that no private information could be gained from them. > really no good reason given why people should s

Re: [Foundation-l] should not web server logs (of requests) be published?

Дана Sunday 28 November 2010 09:35:40 dinar qorbanof написа: > another advantage of this is that people could create custom analysers > of the logs. For now, see http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesWikipediaTT.htm and http://stats.grok.se/tt/201009/ .

Re: [Foundation-l] should not web server logs (of requests) be published?

Its againt the privacy poliicy to publish logs like that, and there is really no good reason given why people should see al the ip information for all visitors on a wiki 2010/11/28, dinar qorbanof : > hello > should not web server logs (of requests) be published? > > my native language is tatar an

[Foundation-l] should not web server logs (of requests) be published?

hello should not web server logs (of requests) be published? my native language is tatar and i would or i am going to write to tatar wikipedia and say other people to write to it. authors/managers/administrators of tatar texts are tatar people. for that i think it is correct if tatar people can se