Re: [Foundation-l] foundation-l Digest, Vol 80, Issue 72

2010-11-20 Thread Craig Franklin
I strongly suspect I'm being trolled, so I won't waste too much of my time responding to this, but if you think that Mike's salary is extravagant, what is your alternative proposal? What's a fair remuneration, in your eyes, for a legal counsel or CFO? Should they give their services (full time) t

[Foundation-l] Wikimedia Foundation Ombudsman

2010-11-20 Thread MZMcBride
Hi. The mailing list archives still aren't really searchable, but I have a question about whether the topic of having a Wikimedia Foundation Ombudsman has been discussed previously. To be clear, I'm not talking about a CheckUser/Privacy policy Ombudsman.[1] I'm talking about someone who would wor

Re: [Foundation-l] Corporate Social Responsibility

2010-11-20 Thread Fred Bauder
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 20/11/2010 23:26, David Gerard wrote: >> On 21 November 2010 01:27, Noein wrote: >> >>> I hope that you don't feel threatened by novelty. Please don't close >>> your mind to my ideas just because you've never heard of them. The >>> Wikipedia

Re: [Foundation-l] Corporate Social Responsibility

2010-11-20 Thread Dan Rosenthal
Noein, you keep saying that the community does or does not believe a certain way. To my knowledge there have been no studies of socioeconomic perspectives and policies of community members to support your argument. If there are and I'm mistaken, I'd love to know as that would be very interesting

Re: [Foundation-l] Corporate Social Responsibility

2010-11-20 Thread phoebe ayers
On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 6:42 PM, Dan Rosenthal wrote: > > On Nov 20, 2010, at 6:00 PM, Noein wrote: > >> Thank you everybody for explaining your views. >> Most of the US inhabitants who answered me seem to be living and >> believing in a hierarchical and competitive world where the highest >> rank

Re: [Foundation-l] Corporate Social Responsibility

2010-11-20 Thread Noein
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 20/11/2010 23:26, David Gerard wrote: > On 21 November 2010 01:27, Noein wrote: > >> I hope that you don't feel threatened by novelty. Please don't close >> your mind to my ideas just because you've never heard of them. The >> Wikipedia idea begin

Re: [Foundation-l] Corporate Social Responsibility

2010-11-20 Thread Dan Rosenthal
On Nov 20, 2010, at 6:00 PM, Noein wrote: > Thank you everybody for explaining your views. > Most of the US inhabitants who answered me seem to be living and > believing in a hierarchical and competitive world where the highest > ranked ones- who are praised as gods - take from the lowest ones -

Re: [Foundation-l] Corporate Social Responsibility

2010-11-20 Thread David Gerard
On 21 November 2010 01:27, Noein wrote: > I hope that you don't feel threatened by novelty. Please don't close > your mind to my ideas just because you've never heard of them. The > Wikipedia idea begins by "Imagine". You seem to have been presenting your disagreements as if you believed yourse

Re: [Foundation-l] Corporate Social Responsibility

2010-11-20 Thread Noein
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 20/11/2010 09:37, Craig Franklin wrote: > I don't know any of these people personally, but $128k a year for a legal > expert of Mike Godwin's stature and experience sounds like a bargain, not an > unreasonable expense. Given that WMF needs competen

Re: [Foundation-l] Corporate Social Responsibility

2010-11-20 Thread Noein
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 20/11/2010 02:40, Nathan wrote: > I've never heard of a major charity in the world without at least some paid > employees. Hello Nathan. I hope that you don't feel threatened by novelty. Please don't close your mind to my ideas just because you've

Re: [Foundation-l] Corporate Social Responsibility

2010-11-20 Thread Renata St
> > Also, at page 7, three major compensations are described: > Sue Gardner was compensated 175050$ (equivalent to a monthly 14587$ income) > Veronique Kessler was compensated 121859$ (equivalent to a monthly > 10155$ income) > Mike Godwin was compensated 128139$ (equivalent to a monthly 10678$ > i

Re: [Foundation-l] Corporate Social Responsibility

2010-11-20 Thread Craig Franklin
I don't know any of these people personally, but $128k a year for a legal expert of Mike Godwin's stature and experience sounds like a bargain, not an unreasonable expense. Given that WMF needs competent legal representation, and given that the WMF is not exactly flush with cash, we should be than

Re: [Foundation-l] Corporate Social Responsibility

2010-11-20 Thread Fred Bauder
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 19/11/2010 21:31, Risker wrote: >> The last one is for the fiscal year ending June 2009, and was filed on >> 29 >> April 2010. Link: >> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/foundation/5/54/WMF_2008_2009_Form_990.pdf >> >> The section on sala

Re: [Foundation-l] Corporate Social Responsibility

2010-11-20 Thread FT2
Slightly different reply from Nathan here. The project and foundation exist to produce and distribute free knowledge. Every dime that is raised goes to cause "someone to profit". The bandwidth that's bought, the servers purchased, the desktops and other matters, they are almost all provided at com