Re: [Foundation-l] Left on the Table

2010-11-05 Thread Milos Rancic
On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 00:53, Marcus Buck wrote: > An'n 05.11.2010 23:44, hett Fred Bauder schreven: >> How many billions in potential advertising revenue do we leave on the >> table each year? >> >> Fred > > According to alexa.com Facebook has a 3-month global pageview share of > 4.74010%. Wikipe

[Foundation-l] Page views

2010-11-05 Thread Erik Zachte
Fortunately inflated page view counts could still be patched from available log files. http://infodisiac.com/blog/2010/11/page-views-anomaly-in-october-resolved/ Erik Zachte ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe:

Re: [Foundation-l] No, even a couple of Google ads on each page would be a fatally bad idea

2010-11-05 Thread Anthony
On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 8:18 PM, Ziko van Dijk wrote: > Hello, > > Adverts do not make content wrong, but create mistrust. > Have a look what Lawrence Lessig tells about: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHma3ZQRVoA After the first few minutes it turns into a long drawn out infomercial supportin

Re: [Foundation-l] Left on the Table, vs. Google's serving portion

2010-11-05 Thread Seth Finkelstein
> Fred Bauder > How many billions in potential advertising revenue do we leave on > the table each year? Nobody knows, because the unknown factor in such calculations is whether Google would continue to bless Wikipedia so heavily if it started running ads. You cannot assume that the curre

Re: [Foundation-l] No, even a couple of Google ads on each page would be a fatally bad idea

2010-11-05 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Hello, Adverts do not make content wrong, but create mistrust. Have a look what Lawrence Lessig tells about: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHma3ZQRVoA Kind regards Ziko 2010/11/5 Cool Hand Luke : > This was manifestly not a "fatal" idea.  In fact, it appears they concluded > that *operating

Re: [Foundation-l] Left on the Table

2010-11-05 Thread Fred Bauder
> "Billions" is not the appropate word here. > > Extrapolating from my own personal Adsense experience, I would suggest > that > with a single ad per article, the project would only earn perhaps 1 to 5 > million a year. > > That's being generous. > > W The question has nothing to do with signing a

Re: [Foundation-l] Left on the Table

2010-11-05 Thread Marcus Buck
An'n 05.11.2010 23:44, hett Fred Bauder schreven: > How many billions in potential advertising revenue do we leave on the > table each year? > > Fred According to alexa.com Facebook has a 3-month global pageview share of 4.74010%. Wikipedia has 0.52984%. That's about 1/9th. According to Wikipedi

Re: [Foundation-l] Left on the Table

2010-11-05 Thread WJhonson
"Billions" is not the appropate word here. Extrapolating from my own personal Adsense experience, I would suggest that with a single ad per article, the project would only earn perhaps 1 to 5 million a year. That's being generous. W ___ foundation-l

Re: [Foundation-l] Left on the Table

2010-11-05 Thread David Gerard
On 5 November 2010 22:44, Fred Bauder wrote: > How many billions in potential advertising revenue do we leave on the > table each year? Less than one soul. - d. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lis

Re: [Foundation-l] Left on the Table

2010-11-05 Thread Brian J Mingus
I'll bite - it's about time for our yearly advert flame war anyway. The answer is 0 dollars. That is because as soon as we put the advertising up we lose credibility and Wikipedia is no more. - Brian On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 4:44 PM, Fred Bauder wrote: > How many billions in potential advertising

[Foundation-l] Left on the Table

2010-11-05 Thread Fred Bauder
How many billions in potential advertising revenue do we leave on the table each year? Fred ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

[Foundation-l] The Editor as Artist

2010-11-05 Thread Fred Bauder
Finally, one fan: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/07/magazine/07FOB-medium-t.html Fred ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

Re: [Foundation-l] No, even a couple of Google ads on each page would be a fatally bad idea

2010-11-05 Thread Cool Hand Luke
This was manifestly not a "fatal" idea. In fact, it appears they concluded that *operating on donations *would be fatal. Moral of the story: Wikipedia is different. Considering how much spam we receive, and how long some of it persists, I sometimes wonder if we haven't miscalculated the costs an

Re: [Foundation-l] Funding Sources of Medical Research, was Misplaced Reliance, was Re: Paid editing...

2010-11-05 Thread Fred Bauder
> I think you have hit the nail on the head. Now we just need to drive it > in > the rest of the way. >> >> These ethics standards serve the ideal of communicating reliable >> knowledge to readers. This is one of the ideals that the Foundation was >> built upon. They are also expressly designed to

[Foundation-l] No, even a couple of Google ads on each page would be a fatally bad idea

2010-11-05 Thread David Gerard
... and compromise content, as TV Tropes found out: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Administrivia/TheSituation?from=Main.TheGoogleIncident - d. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.o

Re: [Foundation-l] Fundraiser 2010: A memo to the community

2010-11-05 Thread Florence Devouard
On 11/5/10 3:21 PM, Florence Devouard wrote: > On 11/5/10 1:37 AM, Philippe Beaudette wrote: >> A memo to Wikimedia community, friends, staff, and other stakeholders. Arg. I just read your internal email. I should never read external emails before internal news lists. My question is consequently

Re: [Foundation-l] Fundraiser 2010: A memo to the community

2010-11-05 Thread Florence Devouard
On 11/5/10 1:37 AM, Philippe Beaudette wrote: > A memo to Wikimedia community, friends, staff, and other stakeholders. > > On Monday, November 15, we will launch the 2010 annual fundraising drive for > the Wikimedia Foundation. As you know, our funding model relies on the > support of our friends

Re: [Foundation-l] Funding Sources of Medical Research, was Misplaced Reliance, was Re: Paid editing...

2010-11-05 Thread Arlen Beiler
I think you have hit the nail on the head. Now we just need to drive it in the rest of the way. On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 10:40 AM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > --- On Tue, 2/11/10, John Vandenberg wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 3:36 AM, > > > > wrote: > > >.. > > > There have been plenty of studies

[Foundation-l] Movement roles

2010-11-05 Thread Austin Hair
Hi all, The Movement Roles project continues, and many people with many unique perspectives are already actively participating. For those of you not closely following our work on the wiki[0], I want to bring two things to your attention: 1. We will have a meeting on IRC[1] today, 5 November, at