Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia Editing is project number 832465

2010-10-23 Thread Milos Rancic
On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 23:02, Amir E. Aharoni wrote: > Acceptable or not (IMHO it is), the interesting and good thing about > this ad is that the advertiser understands that if the article is not > properly referenced, it will be rejected. > > This is similar to the story of the Wikipedia editing

Re: [Foundation-l] Paid editing, was Re: Ban and moderate

2010-10-23 Thread Fred Bauder
> --- On Sat, 23/10/10, SlimVirgin wrote: >> Someone working for the company that makes Lipitor would try to stop >> mainstream media sources being used in the article, because it's the >> media that has been pointing out problems with these drugs. And that's >> exactly what happens on these artic

Re: [Foundation-l] Paid editing, was Re: Ban and moderate

2010-10-23 Thread Andreas Kolbe
--- On Sat, 23/10/10, SlimVirgin wrote: > Someone working for the company that makes Lipitor would try to stop > mainstream media sources being used in the article, because it's the > media that has been pointing out problems with these drugs. And that's > exactly what happens on these articles, b

Re: [Foundation-l] Paid editing, was Re: Ban and moderate

2010-10-23 Thread Robert S. Horning
On 10/23/2010 03:42 PM, wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote: > > If at any moment it can be stood on its head then the information > contained in the articles can never be authoritative. Suppose I have a > calculator that every once in a while, and quite randomly, adds up two > numbers wrongly, such

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia Editing is project number 832465

2010-10-23 Thread Robert S. Horning
On 10/23/2010 03:02 PM, Nikola Smolenski wrote: > Дана Saturday 23 October 2010 22:44:52 Fred Bauder написа: > > >> Is this an acceptable project? How should someone who gets this contract >> handle it? >> > can form > I'm not sure if I said this before, anyway: I don't see anything wrong

Re: [Foundation-l] Paid editing, was Re: Ban and moderate

2010-10-23 Thread David Goodman
A stupid PR agency would do just that. A good one , writing for any medium, would try to make sure that positive sources are also included, that the presentation was balanced., and that is was factual, not tabloid hysteria and exaggeration. A really good one that understands Wikipedia would for a

Re: [Foundation-l] Paid editing, was Re: Ban and moderate

2010-10-23 Thread Fred Bauder
> On 23/10/2010 22:00, Wjhonson wrote: >> >> But it does have authoritative perspective. That is exactly my point >> and the point at which you railed at, from a position that was >> extreme. Your contention is that we should not report *any* thing in >> our work on a drug except what the manufac

Re: [Foundation-l] Paid editing, was Re: Ban and moderate

2010-10-23 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 10/23/2010 2:43:02 PM Pacific Daylight Time, wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk writes: > If at any moment it can be stood on its head then the information > contained in the articles can never be authoritative. Suppose I have a > calculator that every once in a while, and quite ra

Re: [Foundation-l] Paid editing, was Re: Ban and moderate

2010-10-23 Thread Marc Riddell
> On 23/10/2010 22:00, Wjhonson wrote: >> >> But it does have authoritative perspective. That is exactly my point >> and the point at which you railed at, from a position that was >> extreme. Your contention is that we should not report *any* thing in >> our work on a drug except what the manu

Re: [Foundation-l] Paid editing, was Re: Ban and moderate

2010-10-23 Thread wiki-list
On 23/10/2010 22:00, Wjhonson wrote: > > But it does have authoritative perspective. That is exactly my point > and the point at which you railed at, from a position that was > extreme. Your contention is that we should not report *any* thing in > our work on a drug except what the manufacturer p

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia Editing is project number 832465

2010-10-23 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
2010/10/23 Fred Bauder > > Here's a new job offered on Freelancer.com: > > "All sources must be referenced correctly according to Wikipedia > guidelines so that it would not be rejected. An experienced Wikipedia > writer is a plus!" > > Is this an acceptable project? How should someone who gets th

Re: [Foundation-l] Paid editing, was Re: Ban and moderate

2010-10-23 Thread Wjhonson
But it does have authoritative perspective. That is exactly my point and the point at which you railed at, from a position that was extreme. Your contention is that we should not report *any* thing in our work on a drug except what the manufacturer puts on the label. And that you don't thin

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia Editing is project number 832465

2010-10-23 Thread Nikola Smolenski
Дана Saturday 23 October 2010 22:44:52 Fred Bauder написа: > Here's a new job offered on Freelancer.com: > > "Description > Wikipedia writer needed for historic building/hotel in a major city. The > wikipedia page already exist but it is not too detailed to reflect its > rich history. [snip] > Is

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia Editing is project number 832465

2010-10-23 Thread James Alexander
On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 4:44 PM, Fred Bauder wrote: > Here's a new job offered on Freelancer.com: > > "Description > Wikipedia writer needed for historic building/hotel in a major city. The > wikipedia page already exist but it is not too detailed to reflect its > rich history. > > There are lots

[Foundation-l] Wikipedia Editing is project number 832465

2010-10-23 Thread Fred Bauder
Here's a new job offered on Freelancer.com: "Description Wikipedia writer needed for historic building/hotel in a major city. The wikipedia page already exist but it is not too detailed to reflect its rich history. There are lots of widely published articles about it so it shouldn't be a difficul

Re: [Foundation-l] Paid editing, was Re: Ban and moderate

2010-10-23 Thread wiki-list
On 23/10/2010 15:15, wjhon...@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 10/23/2010 3:40:30 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk writes: > > >> OK this is going to be controversial but have you ever considered taht >> maybe you shouldn't have anything on Atorvastatin other than what com

Re: [Foundation-l] Paid editing, was Re: Ban and moderate

2010-10-23 Thread wiki-list
On 23/10/2010 15:15, wjhon...@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 10/23/2010 3:40:30 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk writes: > > >> OK this is going to be controversial but have you ever considered taht >> maybe you shouldn't have anything on Atorvastatin other than what com

Re: [Foundation-l] Paid editing, was Re: Ban and moderate

2010-10-23 Thread wiki-list
On 23/10/2010 13:46, Fred Bauder wrote: >> On 23/10/2010 08:02, SlimVirgin wrote: >>> >>> Look at our article -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atorvastatin There >>> is criticism, no mention of how much money the drug is making for the >>> company, no mention of how widespread and unquestioned the >

Re: [Foundation-l] Paid editing, was Re: Ban and moderate

2010-10-23 Thread Houston Navarro
Anybody else here find it ironic that we're trying to have a discussion about the relative merits and impacts of paid editing, and whether it is detectable or stoppable, but the list moderators have banned from participation the founder of the world's first wiki-focused paid editing service? So,

Re: [Foundation-l] Proposed Wikimedia Project in Kenya

2010-10-23 Thread Ting Chen
At 23.10.2010 16:00, wrote Abbas Mahmoud: > > Hi folks, > > As some of you may know, there exists a small bunch of Wikipedians in Kenya. > In the last couple of months, we have been discussing ways in which we might > increase Wikip\media awareness within Kenya. We then decided to experiment by

Re: [Foundation-l] Proposal for new projects

2010-10-23 Thread Robert S. Horning
On 10/23/2010 05:13 AM, Samuel Klein wrote: > Hello, > > WikiHow is a good place for how-tos, and has an amazing community. > They unfortunately use a license (NC-SA) that isn't compatible with > Wikimedia projects. If you want to do something like WikiHow under a > CC-SA license, you might pursue

Re: [Foundation-l] Paid editing, was Re: Ban and moderate

2010-10-23 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 10/23/2010 3:40:30 AM Pacific Daylight Time, wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk writes: > OK this is going to be controversial but have you ever considered taht > maybe you shouldn't have anything on Atorvastatin other than what comes > as the medical advice in the packaging? One c

[Foundation-l] Proposed Wikimedia Project in Kenya

2010-10-23 Thread Abbas Mahmoud
Hi folks, As some of you may know, there exists a small bunch of Wikipedians in Kenya. In the last couple of months, we have been discussing ways in which we might increase Wikip\media awareness within Kenya. We then decided to experiment by starting by using offline Wikipedia i

Re: [Foundation-l] Ban and moderate

2010-10-23 Thread Peter Damian
- Original Message - From: "George Herbert" To: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List" Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 9:56 PM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Ban and moderate > Both were banned from English language Wikipedia and (I believe) other > projects, for content and behavioral reason

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia quoted in Indian Supreme court case

2010-10-23 Thread Fred Bauder
> Dear all, > > The following media reports of wikipedia being quoted a recent Indian > Supreme court case may be of interest to some of you. > > Supreme court Judge Justice Markandey Katju referred to some of the > common > tenets of the *Common Law > Marriage*

Re: [Foundation-l] Paid editing, was Re: Ban and moderate

2010-10-23 Thread Fred Bauder
> On 23/10/2010 08:02, SlimVirgin wrote: >> >> Look at our article -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atorvastatin There >> is criticism, no mention of how much money the drug is making for the >> company, no mention of how widespread and unquestioned the >> prescription of these drugs is. And I know

Re: [Foundation-l] Attack pages at Encyc. Dramatica

2010-10-23 Thread Fred Bauder
> On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 17:00, M. Williamson wrote: >> Whatever happened to freedom of speech? Encyclopedia Dramatica is a >> parody site. Plenty of people have tried to shut them down before, >> it's unlikely to ever happen (and in my opinion, should never happen). >> If they have an offensive

Re: [Foundation-l] Proposal for new projects

2010-10-23 Thread David Gerard
On 23 October 2010 12:13, Samuel Klein wrote: > WikiHow is a good place for how-tos, and has an amazing community. > They unfortunately use a license (NC-SA) that isn't compatible with > Wikimedia projects.  If you want to do something like WikiHow under a > CC-SA license, you might pursue a new

Re: [Foundation-l] Proposal for new projects

2010-10-23 Thread Samuel Klein
Hello, WikiHow is a good place for how-tos, and has an amazing community. They unfortunately use a license (NC-SA) that isn't compatible with Wikimedia projects. If you want to do something like WikiHow under a CC-SA license, you might pursue a new Project for them -- while incubating the project

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia quoted in Indian Supreme court case

2010-10-23 Thread Anirudh Bhati
On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 2:39 PM, Arun Ram wrote: > Dear all, > > The following media reports of wikipedia being quoted a recent  Indian > Supreme court case may be of interest to some of you. > Hi, The judgment can be accessed here.[1] Please refer to para 33. There have been over 50 instances

Re: [Foundation-l] Paid editing, was Re: Ban and moderate

2010-10-23 Thread wiki-list
On 23/10/2010 08:02, SlimVirgin wrote: > > Look at our article -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atorvastatin There > is criticism, no mention of how much money the drug is making for the > company, no mention of how widespread and unquestioned the > prescription of these drugs is. And I know from ex

Re: [Foundation-l] Attack pages at Encyc. Dramatica

2010-10-23 Thread Milos Rancic
On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 17:00, M. Williamson wrote: > Whatever happened to freedom of speech? Encyclopedia Dramatica is a > parody site. Plenty of people have tried to shut them down before, > it's unlikely to ever happen (and in my opinion, should never happen). > If they have an offensive articl

[Foundation-l] Wikipedia quoted in Indian Supreme court case

2010-10-23 Thread Arun Ram
Dear all, The following media reports of wikipedia being quoted a recent Indian Supreme court case may be of interest to some of you. Supreme court Judge Justice Markandey Katju referred to some of the common tenets of the *Common Law Marriage* -

Re: [Foundation-l] Paid editing, was Re: Ban and moderate

2010-10-23 Thread Milos Rancic
On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 08:02, Fred Bauder wrote: > So, to take a random example that I have not looked at, what would a > public relations firm hired by the maker of Lipitor be trying to > accomplish? And what is the result if they are skillful in terms of > having collaborative editing skills? I

Re: [Foundation-l] Attack pages at Encyc. Dramatica

2010-10-23 Thread Keegan Peterzell
I think I should clarify, I meant that nobody cares unless you make them care. Otherwise, nobody cares. On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 1:58 AM, Keegan Peterzell wrote: > In other words[1]. > > 1.http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Nobody_cares > > > On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 11:23 AM, Steven Walling > wr

Re: [Foundation-l] Paid editing, was Re: Ban and moderate

2010-10-23 Thread SlimVirgin
On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 00:02, Fred Bauder wrote: > So, to take a random example that I have not looked at, what would a > public relations firm hired by the maker of Lipitor be trying to > accomplish? Someone working for the company that makes Lipitor would try to stop mainstream media sources b