Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005?

2010-09-19 Thread Michael Snow
On 9/19/2010 8:21 PM, Robert S. Horning wrote: > On 09/19/2010 06:52 PM, wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote: >> On 20/09/2010 00:26, Robert S. Horning wrote: >>> I'm not entirely sure how accurate this is, so I'm just making a raw >>> conjecture here that is completely unsupported by facts other t

Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005?

2010-09-19 Thread Robert S. Horning
On 09/19/2010 06:52 PM, wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote: > On 20/09/2010 00:26, Robert S. Horning wrote: > >> >> I'm not entirely sure how accurate this is, so I'm just making a raw >> conjecture here that is completely unsupported by facts other than >> perhaps by general observations: >> >>

Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005?

2010-09-19 Thread wiki-list
On 20/09/2010 00:26, Robert S. Horning wrote: > On 09/19/2010 06:48 AM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: >>> the issue is not >>> restricted to the English Wikipedia. >>> >>> Let's assume there's a problem. What's your plan of action? >>> How does >>> it differ from the usual way of dealing with

Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005?

2010-09-19 Thread Robert S. Horning
On 09/19/2010 06:48 AM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: >> the issue is not >> >>> restricted >>> to the English Wikipedia. >>> >> >> Let's assume there's a problem. What's your plan of action? >> How does >> it differ from the usual way of dealing with these issues >> (getting >> interested peo

Re: [Foundation-l] Umberto Eco on small languages/dialects Wikipedias (Aristotle article)

2010-09-19 Thread geni
On 19 September 2010 21:12, Gerard Meijssen wrote: > Hoi, > The most common different orthographies are those for the American and > British spelling.. When it comes to differences between British and American > English, the standard version of either can be well understood in either > country. Au

Re: [Foundation-l] Umberto Eco on small languages/dialects Wikipedias (Aristotle article)

2010-09-19 Thread Mark Williamson
Standard Australian English is very easy to understand for me as a North American speaker of English, especially when written because that eliminates the potential problem of different accents. Standard Jamaican English is easy to understand, perhaps you are thinking of Jamaican Creole, which is of

Re: [Foundation-l] Umberto Eco on small languages/dialects Wikipedias (Aristotle article)

2010-09-19 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, The most common different orthographies are those for the American and British spelling.. When it comes to differences between British and American English, the standard version of either can be well understood in either country. Australian English or Jamaican English are less easily understoo

Re: [Foundation-l] Umberto Eco on small languages/dialects Wikipedias (Aristotle article)

2010-09-19 Thread David Gerard
On 19 September 2010 20:08, Mark Williamson wrote: > I am not from Italy, but speaking generally about languages and > language varieties around the world, I will say that it is true that > for the most part, any concept that can be expressed in one language > can be expressed in another. In some

Re: [Foundation-l] Umberto Eco on small languages/dialects Wikipedias (Aristotle article)

2010-09-19 Thread Mark Williamson
In the science of linguistics, standard languages are considered to be dialects which, simply through historical and political factors, rather than any intrinsic expressive capabilities, are given added prestige and wider realms of use than other dialects. I am not from Italy, but speaking general

Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005?

2010-09-19 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 9/19/2010 10:47:23 AM Pacific Daylight Time, peter.dam...@btinternet.com writes: > You have made your view very clear. I've tried to be polite, and to > avoid > any talking-down, and I am sorry if it has appeared that way. You use the > > collective 'we', meaning you spe

Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005?

2010-09-19 Thread Peter Damian
- Original Message - From: To: Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2010 5:48 PM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005? > Yes I now see the problem :) > Ivory tower eggheads who think they have the right now, to talk down to > other contributors instead of educating them.

Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005?

2010-09-19 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 9/19/2010 9:38:37 AM Pacific Daylight Time, peter.dam...@btinternet.com writes: > "I would strongly urge you to leave the editing of articles > concerning philosophy and/or philosophers to genuine experts. You simply > lack the understanding and expertise required to assess

Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005?

2010-09-19 Thread Peter Damian
- Original Message - From: "Andreas Kolbe" To: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List" Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2010 1:48 PM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005? > (1) demanding subject matter, requiring some familiarity with the topic > area to be able to cont

[Foundation-l] Fwd: London Wikimeet July photos for review

2010-09-19 Thread David Gerard
Before I put some or all on Commons, please review for any you hate: http://reddragdiva.co.uk/temp/gallery.html If you don't like a photo of you, please email me, not the lists ;-) - d. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org U

Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005?

2010-09-19 Thread Andreas Kolbe
> > I agree with that. The first step is to acknowkedge > that there is a problem. > > But most people I have read about this topic even deny > that. > > So we can't go further until this is accepted. > > BTW this is also the case on the French Wikipedia, so > the issue is not > > restricted > > to

Re: [Foundation-l] Umberto Eco on small languages/dialects Wikipedias (Aristotle article)

2010-09-19 Thread David Gerard
On 19 September 2010 12:42, Ilario Valdelli wrote: > It is normal because any standard language has different registers, the > dialect has limited registers and in general only for daily and familiar > use. This, by the way, is why we don't have multiple English Wikipedias - in the higher regis

Re: [Foundation-l] Umberto Eco on small languages/dialects Wikipedias (Aristotle article)

2010-09-19 Thread Ilario Valdelli
On 19.09.2010 13:01, Marcus Buck wrote: >An'n 19.09.2010 11:32, hett Mark Williamson schreven: >> We have heard this type of criticism before, that lower-prestige >> varieties or languages that are not "official" or "national" languages >> are somehow intrinsically incapable or unsuited to en

Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005?

2010-09-19 Thread David Gerard
On 19 September 2010 09:52, Yann Forget wrote: > I agree with that. The first step is to acknowkedge that there is a problem. > But most people I have read about this topic even deny that. > So we can't go further until this is accepted. > BTW this is also the case on the French Wikipedia, so the

Re: [Foundation-l] Umberto Eco on small languages/dialects Wikipedias (Aristotle article)

2010-09-19 Thread Marcus Buck
An'n 19.09.2010 11:32, hett Mark Williamson schreven: > We have heard this type of criticism before, that lower-prestige > varieties or languages that are not "official" or "national" languages > are somehow intrinsically incapable or unsuited to encyclopedic > writing. Article quality on a Wiki

Re: [Foundation-l] Umberto Eco on small languages/dialects Wikipedias (Aristotle article)

2010-09-19 Thread theo10011
There is however a direct correlation between poverty and internet access. Regardless of the linguistic diversity, its an issue of usage, the highest read, reviewed and edited articles would have the highest merits in terms of quality and length. It is an issue of reflexivity, lots of contributors

Re: [Foundation-l] Umberto Eco on small languages/dialects Wikipedias (Aristotle article)

2010-09-19 Thread Mark Williamson
We have heard this type of criticism before, that lower-prestige varieties or languages that are not "official" or "national" languages are somehow intrinsically incapable or unsuited to encyclopedic writing. Article quality on a Wiki is not high or low due to some intrinsic characteristic or trait

Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005?

2010-09-19 Thread Yann Forget
Hello, 2010/9/18 Peter Damian : > - Original Message - > From: "Nathan" > To: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List" > Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2010 4:53 PM > Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005? > >> What would you suggest the Wikimedia Foundation do to addres

[Foundation-l] Umberto Eco on small languages/dialects Wikipedias (Aristotle article)

2010-09-19 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
I suppose you may be interested: http://espresso.repubblica.it/dettaglio/el-me-aristotil/2134379/18 But, don't expect it to be an actual usable judgement about those projects, because it's more like a pretext to comment some recent Italian events. A Google translation to English contains "only"