Дана Thursday 01 April 2010 20:30:10 Aude написа:
> There are differences in how data (incl.map data) is treated under
> US law and how UK/European law treat data and data collections/databases
>
> Wikipedia is operates under US copyright law, w/ servers and the
> foundation US based (not sure
On 04/01/2010 09:09 PM, MZMcBride wrote:
> Thank you for the weekly reports, both on this list and on the labs wiki.
> They're very helpful in a number of ways.
>
You're very welcome.
>> Feedback from users has dropped off, which we are taking as a sign that
>> people are relatively happy wi
Thank you for the weekly reports, both on this list and on the labs wiki.
They're very helpful in a number of ways.
William Pietri wrote:
> Feedback from users has dropped off, which we are taking as a sign that
> people are relatively happy with things.
Err, can you explain this logic to me?
>
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Anthony wrote:
> MZMcBride wrote:
>
>> You're suggesting using a specific, proprietary
>> client (that has all sorts of privacy issues) in order to combat what is,
>> at its core, laziness.
>>
> Every great software application has, at its core, laziness.
Indeed! Or perhaps that might be
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 5:27 PM, Anthony wrote:
>
> Finally, I'd like to quote something that you said and make a comment: "My
> experience has been that those who object to this haven't given adequate
> attention to the GFDL and Creative Commons licenses we operate under --
> neither license is
Thanks for the input, Mike. For those who, like me, were wondering what the
heck you were talking about, I believe the title of the thread this belongs
in is "Swedish Wikipedians removes Wikimedia logos".
However, I have another question, which wasn't answered by that thread.
Your colleague said
Dear folks,
I was attending a meeting of the Northern California Copyright Society
today, and I mentioned to a colleague the discussions we have had on this
list and elsewhere regarding whether the Wikimedia logos, which are
trademarked, should be freely licensed as copyrighted works. My colleagu
Mike Godwin wrote:
> ... in my experience the kinds of people who
> agonize over copyright permissions are uniformly capable of parsing longer
> sentences.
>
>
I wouldn't bet on that.
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On 1 April 2010 19:30, Aude wrote:
> Although deriving geocoordinates from google maps for wikipedia (under
> us law) is okay, I would prefer not doing so and use osm, NASA
> worldwind and other public domain or open licensed sources. (gps okay
> too, though that gets into other questions). But th
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 9:35 PM, wrote:
> "Maps" are not "Points". You're setting up an argument quite different
> from that with which you started. They aren't "great maps", they're awful
> maps
> :) Explain your bias! Do you work for Google Maps and are just here
> trolling us? What's a so
Mike,
We're now some 40 messages into this thread. I went back and checked,
and not a single poster supports your arguments.
I appreciate that you've been polite and have made a good-faith effort
to argue your case in a civil manner, but I think it's clear that this
you're not winning this one—a
In a message dated 4/1/2010 5:28:50 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com writes:
> Guys,
> Lets get back to one point : terms of service.
>
> We are talking about copyright here the whole time, but the contract
> agreement in the terms of service are much more binding, they
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 8:30 PM, Aude wrote:
> Wikipedia is operates under US copyright law, w/ servers
> On the otherhand, openstreetmap is based in the uk with servers in
> London, and operates under uk/european law.
Thank you so much, that is the most rational explaination I have heard today!
There are differences in how data (incl.map data) is treated under
US law and how UK/European law treat data and data collections/databases
Wikipedia is operates under US copyright law, w/ servers and the
foundation US based (not sure how the Amsterdam servers fit under
laws). In the US,
On 1 April 2010 14:58, Alison M. Wheeler wrote:
> 2. Taking an image from a satellite or aeroplane image requires no
> copyrightable skill: Camera points down, takes images at fixed focus at
> regular time intervals. Images are published.
Minor detail - although this is a valid point philosop
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 3:58 PM, Alison M. Wheeler
wrote:
>
> This whole thread is striking me as akin to a child going "but why" every
> five seconds ad infinitem.
I am sorry that you feel that way, at least some people have
acknowledged some of my points.
I wish we would not have to have this c
This whole thread is striking me as akin to a child going "but why" every five
seconds ad infinitem.
Let's look at the issues here.
1. Google (and other companies, such as Microsoft and Yahoo) make available
satellite / aeroplane images on the net, free at the point of use, for all to
view.
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 2:59 PM, Kwan Ting Chan wrote:
> jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote:
>>
>> Guys,
>> Lets get back to one point : terms of service.
>>
>> We are talking about copyright here the whole time, but the contract
>> agreement in the terms of service are much more binding, they ov
jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote:
Guys,
Lets get back to one point : terms of service.
We are talking about copyright here the whole time, but the contract
agreement in the terms of service are much more binding, they override
your copyright.
If the terms of service do not allow mass databa
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 2:28 PM, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
wrote:
> Guys,
> Lets get back to one point : terms of service.
>
> We are talking about copyright here the whole time, but the contract
> agreement in the terms of service are much more binding, they override
> your copyright.
>
> If
Guys,
Lets get back to one point : terms of service.
We are talking about copyright here the whole time, but the contract
agreement in the terms of service are much more binding, they override
your copyright.
If the terms of service do not allow mass database extraction, WP is
violating that on a
Hoi,
The position of a bridge, a building, a statue is a fact. It cannot be
copyrighted and the only reason for attribution of a map used to obtain such
a coordinate is to allow other people to verify the process. Coordinates are
available on many Wikipedia articles, they come from a wide variety o
On this note, there is no real discussion of the copyright and
licensing issues on this page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Obtaining_geographic_coordinates#Google_tools
It says :
There are various ways to obtain geographic coordinates. Note that
regardless of the source of coordinates, i
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Gerard Meijssen
wrote:
> Hoi,
> We are talking at cross purposes. What I am talking about are applications
> of geo data like these
>
> -
>
> http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.com/2010/03/swedes-have-their-map-support.html
> -
>
> http://ultimategerardm.blo
Hoi,
We are talking at cross purposes. What I am talking about are applications
of geo data like these
-
http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.com/2010/03/swedes-have-their-map-support.html
-
http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.com/2010/03/danes-have-their-map-support.html
The data in both ins
By the way, this seems like a good time to mention
http://www.google.com/moderator/#15/e=1d33&t=1d33.40&q=1d33.10309 and
http://www.systemed.net/blog/?p=100
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On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 10:57 AM, Gerard Meijssen
wrote:
> A good counter example is the use of OpenStreetMap after the
> Haiti disaster.. it is based on the same kinds of data that is put into
> doubt in a different context.
That was done only after OSM received explicit permission to use that da
Hoi,
The COLLECTION of such facts is a work. A single fact is not a work. The
collection of single facts creates a new collection however, claiming
copyright because of it being expressed in a certain format is similar to
Microsoft claiming copyright to all MS/Word documents.
When an aggregation o
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 10:00 AM, wrote:
> In a message dated 4/1/2010 12:24:31 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com writes:
>
>
>> As I said, the selection of these coordinates is a work, and if you
>> dont have any image available you cannot do so.
>> What is the contract b
In a message dated 4/1/2010 12:24:31 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com writes:
> As I said, the selection of these coordinates is a work, and if you
> dont have any image available you cannot do so.
> What is the contract between you and google to use this data? Are you
>
jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 9:10 AM, Nikola Smolenski wrote:
>> Andre Engels wrote:
>>> The thought process (note: I do not agree with it) goes like this:
>>> * A map or a sattelite photograph is copyrighted material
>>> * Taking a location from a map or a photog
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 9:10 AM, Nikola Smolenski wrote:
> Andre Engels wrote:
>> The thought process (note: I do not agree with it) goes like this:
>> * A map or a sattelite photograph is copyrighted material
>> * Taking a location from a map or a photograph is getting a derivative
>> work from it
Andre Engels wrote:
> The thought process (note: I do not agree with it) goes like this:
> * A map or a sattelite photograph is copyrighted material
> * Taking a location from a map or a photograph is getting a derivative
> work from it
> * You are not allowed to make a derivative work from a copyr
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