Re: [Foundation-l] Minors and sexual explicit stuff

On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 10:05 PM, Ray Saintonge wrote: > As is often stated WMF is an ISP, and not a publisher. Stating it often doesn't make it true. The WMF is quite clearly a publisher. It even has admitted as much when it exercised the GFDL clause purporting to allow "any World Wide Web ser

Re: [Foundation-l] Minors and sexual explicit stuff

Ray, you seem to me to be essentially discussing the 'users' perspective on wikipedia - whilst it's my view that the foundation, and the projects could (and should) do more to allow things like descriptive image filtering for users (I think it would drive participation in places like schools, and

Re: [Foundation-l] Minors and sexual explicit stuff

Andrew Garrett wrote: > On 16/11/2009, at 1:04 AM, private musings wrote: > >> On Wikipedia Review, 'tarantino' pointed out that on WMF projects, >> self-identified minors (in this case User:Juliancolton) are involved >> in >> routine maintenance stuff around sexually explicit images reasonabl

Re: [Foundation-l] Office hours next Thursday, November 19

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[Foundation-l] Office hours next Thursday, November 19

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Re: [Foundation-l] Minors and sexual explicit stuff

One point that the apologists seem to be missing is that the Wikimedia Foundation assumes and expects that sometimes minors have administrator rights on the Wikimedia projects. This then gives them the responsibility of deciding what is suitable content or not for the project. Likewise, the Found

Re: [Foundation-l] strategy office hours today

On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 9:16 AM, Bod Notbod wrote: >> It's that time again. Strategic Planning office hours are today, >> November 18, from 20:00-21:00 UTC, which is: 12-1pm PST, 3pm-4pm EST. > > Um, today's the 17th. Sorry about the typo, everyone. Office hours was indeed today. Thanks to all wh

Re: [Foundation-l] Minors and sexual explicit stuff

If anybody wants censored encyclopedia there is a very easy way how to obtain it: 1) Take a copy of Wikipedia's database. 2) Use it at your own Mediawiki server. 3) Censor whatever you want. 4) Never ever bother others with your hobbies. This solution of your problem is completely legal and free

Re: [Foundation-l] strategy office hours today

On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 5:40 PM, Isabell Long wrote: >> > Hi everyone, >> > >> > It's that time again. Strategic Planning office hours are today, >> > November 18, from 20:00-21:00 UTC, which is: 12-1pm PST, 3pm-4pm EST. >> >> Um, today's the 17th. > > Maybe they're going on US time? By my calcu

Re: [Foundation-l] Minors and sexual explicit stuff

On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 1:28 PM, geni wrote: > You never flicked through the photography or modern art section. I highly doubt we have a "modern art section". In any case, as Jimbo always likes to point out, Wikipedia is only the encyclopedia. The rest of the library is Wikia.

Re: [Foundation-l] Minors and sexual explicit stuff

2009/11/17 Anthony : > On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 10:04 AM, David Moran > wrote: >> It is correspondingly true that there are many people who would more >> comfortably use, or let their children use, regular brick and mortar >> libraries if they could be sure that certain material had been removed f

Re: [Foundation-l] strategy office hours today

On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 05:16:23PM +, Bod Notbod wrote: > On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 5:07 PM, Eugene Eric Kim wrote: > > > Hi everyone, > > > > It's that time again. Strategic Planning office hours are today, > > November 18, from 20:00-21:00 UTC, which is: 12-1pm PST, 3pm-4pm EST. > > Um, toda

Re: [Foundation-l] Minors and sexual explicit stuff

"It is absolutely not the job of the Wikimedia Foundation, nor the Wikimedia community, to supervise a child's internet access and/or usage" Frankly, I dont think that is what I read in PMs post which started this discussion. In many countries it is the responsibility of parents for their childs b

Re: [Foundation-l] strategy office hours today

On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 5:07 PM, Eugene Eric Kim wrote: > Hi everyone, > > It's that time again. Strategic Planning office hours are today, > November 18, from 20:00-21:00 UTC, which is: 12-1pm PST, 3pm-4pm EST. Um, today's the 17th. ___ foundation-l

[Foundation-l] strategy office hours today

Hi everyone, It's that time again. Strategic Planning office hours are today, November 18, from 20:00-21:00 UTC, which is: 12-1pm PST, 3pm-4pm EST. We meet in #wikimedia-strategy on the freenode network. You can access the chat by going to https://webchat.freenode.net/ and filling in a username

Re: [Foundation-l] Everything okay?

2009/11/17 Ryan Lomonaco That said, I would hope that no one is "scared" of posting here, and if you > are, I hope you'll contact either myself or Austin and tell us why. I hope so too, but I would understand why they wouldn't say so. People might be nervous, scared or simply confused - in whic

Re: [Foundation-l] Minors and sexual explicit stuff

Clearly, Wikipedia causes teenage pregnancy. Why is anyone disputing that point? SAFE SEX = NO WIKIPEDIA On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 10:49 AM, Anthony wrote: > On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 10:04 AM, David Moran > wrote: > > It is correspondingly true that there are many people who would more > > comfor

Re: [Foundation-l] Minors and sexual explicit stuff

On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 10:04 AM, David Moran wrote: > It is correspondingly true that there are many people who would more > comfortably use, or let their children use, regular brick and mortar > libraries if they could be sure that certain material had been removed from > the building.  But typi

Re: [Foundation-l] Minors and sexual explicit stuff

INTERNET SEX PANIC. That GQ article doesn't even have anything to do with Wikipedia, so I'm not sure what your point here is, other than that teenagers are both interested in and curious about sex, and will use the tools at their disposal to explore this curiosity, whether they be social media or

Re: [Foundation-l] Everything okay?

On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 9:21 AM, Ryan Lomonaco wrote: > That said, I would hope that no one is "scared" of posting here, and if you > are, I hope you'll contact either myself or Austin and tell us why. The difference between "fear" and "respect" is what? Whether or not you agree with the person

Re: [Foundation-l] Minors and sexual explicit stuff

Here is a good example of what can happen when we set free those children who "have gained the trust of their parents to use the internet within whatever limits those parents (or, indeed, the minor) believe is appropriate": http://www.gq.com/news-politics/big-issues/200907/wisconsin-high-school-se

Re: [Foundation-l] Everything okay?

On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 10:37 PM, Mark Williamson wrote: > Half a day? Is that really so bad? I would be worried if there were no posts > for a week. Obviously there isn't as much traffic as before but I would > personally wait longer before sending out e-mails asking why there are no > messages.

Re: [Foundation-l] Everything okay?

On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 10:40 PM, Dennis During wrote: > I'm guessing that the habit has been broken. It will probably come back. > I think you're right, particularly given that foundation-l was closed for nearly a week. Participants have been posting to other lists, or keeping discussion on Me

Re: [Foundation-l] Minors and sexual explicit stuff

The New York City public library system--and I would imagine most municipal library systems in general--is filled with underage interns (or pages, or whatever they're called now) who play a not insignificant role in curating collections that contain material every bit as explicit as those examples

Re: [Foundation-l] Minors and sexual explicit stuff

Hoi, Thank you effe for your analysis. I do agree that this can be considered something that some people feel strongly about and, also as something that would entice certain groups of people to use Wikipedia more freely. Growing our community or readers and editors is a priority. The problem is th

Re: [Foundation-l] Minors and sexual explicit stuff

Even though I do agree to some extent with you, Andrew, I would like to make a remark. You correctly state that the cultural sensibilities differ over the world on this topic. However, this does not excuse for calling the sensibilities "irrational" and "lacking in substance" (inconsistent is fair

Re: [Foundation-l] Minors and sexual explicit stuff

> On 16/11/2009, at 1:04 AM, private musings wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> On Wikipedia Review, 'tarantino' pointed out that on WMF projects, >> self-identified minors (in this case User:Juliancolton) are involved >> in >> routine maintenance stuff around sexually explicit images reasonably >> descr

Re: [Foundation-l] Minors and sexual explicit stuff

On 16/11/2009, at 1:04 AM, private musings wrote: > Hi all, > > On Wikipedia Review, 'tarantino' pointed out that on WMF projects, > self-identified minors (in this case User:Juliancolton) are involved > in > routine maintenance stuff around sexually explicit images reasonably > describable as