Re: [Foundation-l] Growth vs. maintenance

2009-11-05 Thread wjhonson
But Renata how do you mandate a friendlier community? How about, on the sidebar, we have a link for "Report Abuse". Right now don't we sort of leave it up to each policeman to instruct the victim in how to report that they're being abused? I still see the project as being too much of "The Fox G

Re: [Foundation-l] Growth vs. maintenance

2009-11-05 Thread Renata St
I think is is most excellent write-up of my thoughts. Wikipedia is no longer "new and exciting"... Internet's attention span is short & people are looking for something more exciting to do. (that and all the community behavior / communication issues that drive newbies away). What to do about it?

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikinews has not failed

2009-11-05 Thread David Gerard
2009/11/5 David Gerard : > 2009/11/5 Andrew Gray : >> We did astonishingly, staggeringly, unbelievably, improbably well with >> Wikipedia. Failing to replicate that is to be expected; it's unlikely >> we could deliberately manage such a success without a shedload of good >> luck. "It's got a wiki

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikinews has not failed

2009-11-05 Thread David Gerard
2009/11/5 Andrew Gray : > We did astonishingly, staggeringly, unbelievably, improbably well with > Wikipedia. Failing to replicate that is to be expected; it's unlikely > we could deliberately manage such a success without a shedload of good > luck. "It's got a wiki in it" isn't a magic spell, aft

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikinews has not failed

2009-11-05 Thread William Pietri
Robert Rohde wrote: > What resources? With only ~1.5M hits per month, EN Wikinews' share of > the tech / internet services budget probably only comes to a couple > thousand dollars per year, in other words basically a rounding error > in the budget. I'd guess it's less than that. I just calculate

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikinews has not failed

2009-11-05 Thread Andrew Gray
2009/11/5 Peter Coombe : > Wikinews has it's problems, and is often overshadowed by it's bigger > brother Wikipedia. But it certainly hasn't failed. There's a > respectable amount of content being produced, including original > reporting that just would not fit on Wikipedia. Articles are picked up

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikinews has not failed

2009-11-05 Thread Jon Davis
According to the Wikinews stats page ( http://wmf4.me/3229 ), the English Wikinews received 7.9 million page views in October 2009. Compare that to 52 million page views for English Wiktionary ( http://wmf4.me/f8E57 ) or 12.8 million for English Wikisource ( http://wmf4.me/7a12c ) in the same time

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikinews has not failed

2009-11-05 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 11/5/2009 11:29:32 AM Pacific Standard Time, raro...@gmail.com writes: > In a $6 million budget, I'd honestly be disappointed if the Foundation > wasn't spending at least $100k on development projects that might some > day take off,>> But that's exactly my point. Wikinews ha

Re: [Foundation-l] New Fundraising Staff: Megan Hernandez

2009-11-05 Thread Bod Notbod
On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 6:41 PM, Robert Rohde wrote: >> Just out of curiosity, is a degree in Human Development all about how >> we progressed from bronze to iron age and so on and so on? > > My sister has a human development degree.  In her case, it was about > the physical, psychological, and so

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikinews has not failed

2009-11-05 Thread David Gerard
2009/11/5 : > By failing I mean that it never achieved any sort of siginificant presence. >  When Wikinews was started it was, imho, to shunt news off the main project > into its own space. In your opinion? i.e., not necessarily in anyone else's. > Better to re-focus attention on those projec

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikinews has not failed

2009-11-05 Thread Robert Rohde
On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 10:55 AM, wrote: > Better to re-focus attention on those projects which are successful, than > have ten non-successful projects dragging off any resources at all. What resources? With only ~1.5M hits per month, EN Wikinews' share of the tech / internet services budget p

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikinews has not failed

2009-11-05 Thread WJhonson
By failing I mean that it never achieved any sort of siginificant presence. When Wikinews was started it was, imho, to shunt news off the main project into its own space. News by it's nature is far more verbose then encyclopedic material. News inundates you constantly, while encyclopedic mat

Re: [Foundation-l] New Fundraising Staff: Megan Hernandez

2009-11-05 Thread Robert Rohde
On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 10:06 AM, Bod Notbod wrote: > Just out of curiosity, is a degree in Human Development all about how > we progressed from bronze to iron age and so on and so on? My sister has a human development degree. In her case, it was about the physical, psychological, and social ch