Erik Moeller writes:
> What do you suggest? Are there models from other mailing list
> communities that we should experiment with to create a healthier, more
> productive discussion culture? What, based on your own experience of
> this list, would you like to see change?
I'll try to gather what I
Why should all Wikimedians have the same culture and ideas and way of
thinking as you? Why should Wikimedians who have a culture be excluded from
setting up a chapter?
Besides that I think you're paraphrasing way too much. The grant request
only suggested that this kind of costs are just costs tha
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 9:06 PM, Samuel Klein wrote:
> This is effectively the only cross-project list at the moment. And it
> is the canonical place to raise certain important issues and
> announcements.
>
> It has become popular to disparage this list as a poor place to have
> serious discussio
On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 10:29 PM, Brian wrote:
>
> Some of us feel that the foundation has become out of our reach.
> That no matter how much we discuss and try to reach consensus it will just be
> too
> hard,
Is this related to the foundation per se? This is just a difficulty
of large scale con
I agree with Tim's initial points.
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 6:21 PM, Tim Starling wrote:
> David Gerard wrote:
>> wine-users - http://forum.winehq.org/
>
> If you allow posting via email, then you lose the ability to properly
> authenticate those posts. If you allow receiving of the full content
N
This is effectively the only cross-project list at the moment. And it
is the canonical place to raise certain important issues and
announcements.
It has become popular to disparage this list as a poor place to have
serious discussions about the foundation -- and to do the disparaging
in private,
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 9:20 PM, Jennifer Riggs wrote:
> The discussion about a budget line item being appropriate in one context
> and not in the next has been very interesting to me. And especially in
> this case as it involves the provision of food, which is one of the most
> deeply held cultur
2009/9/11 Jennifer Riggs :
> However the word and concept of "frugality" differs significantly across
> cultures. In my experience with many non-Western cultures, asking people
> to bring lunch from home or spend their own money for it would not only
> exclude participation, it would insult people.
The discussion about a budget line item being appropriate in one context
and not in the next has been very interesting to me. And especially in
this case as it involves the provision of food, which is one of the most
deeply held cultural norms in many communities.
Frugality is certainly a con
The problem becomes more serious when several people tell me that they
either unsubscribe from this list or do not dare any more to give input in
discussions because of these people (not defining anybory, but more in
general the group of people being harsh and posting a lot). That is
currently the
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 22:21, Thomas Dalton wrote:
> 2009/9/10 Gerard Meijssen :
>> Hoi,
>> I think it is not reasonable to judge others by how you do things. Please
>> remember that there are different cultures where things are done in
>> different ways. I am sure there are things in the history
2009/9/10 Gerard Meijssen :
> Hoi,
> I think it is not reasonable to judge others by how you do things. Please
> remember that there are different cultures where things are done in
> different ways. I am sure there are things in the history of the WMUK that
> you do not wish onto others.. Everyone
Hoi,
I think it is not reasonable to judge others by how you do things. Please
remember that there are different cultures where things are done in
different ways. I am sure there are things in the history of the WMUK that
you do not wish onto others.. Everyone has to deal with the local
environment
2009/9/10 Chad :
> I hadn't read that either. Ridiculous, I agree. I doubt people are donating
> to the WMF for them to send the money to the Portuguese chapter for
> their lunches.
>
> The only part of that budget that makes sense to me is the legal fees, and
> they're certainly not a back-breakin
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 3:53 PM, Thomas Dalton wrote:
> 2009/9/10 Thomas Dalton :
>> 2009/9/10 Pharos :
>>> There are 21 accepted proposals listed on this page:
>>>
>>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_chapters/WMF_grants/Reporting_Guidance
>>
>> Ah, well found! I didn't think to check tha
2009/9/10 Brion Vibber :
> IMO we need to do that for the projects we already have before we take
> on new obligations!
Oh yesss.
> We still have very poor software support for:
> * Commons -- We need a sane upload and post-upload workflow (eg review
> and deletion), and a clean system for han
2009/9/10 Thomas Dalton :
> 2009/9/10 Pharos :
>> There are 21 accepted proposals listed on this page:
>>
>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_chapters/WMF_grants/Reporting_Guidance
>
> Ah, well found! I didn't think to check that page - the title doesn't
> suggest it would contain such info
2009/9/10 Pharos :
> There are 21 accepted proposals listed on this page:
>
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_chapters/WMF_grants/Reporting_Guidance
Ah, well found! I didn't think to check that page - the title doesn't
suggest it would contain such info.
> Since 26 were accepted in total
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 1:41 PM, Thomas Dalton wrote:
> 2009/9/10 Sue Gardner :
>> Hi Thomas!
>>
>> Sorry to top-post, and to be late replying. I believe that all 26
>> proposals are up now on the meta page. Let me know if you can't find
>> it, and I can post the link tonight when I'm back on my l
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Brion Vibber wrote:
> IMO we need to do that for the projects we already have before we take
> on new obligations!
>
> We still have very poor software support for:...
Thanks Brion, it is good to know that the tech team is aware of these
issues and w
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 12:15 AM, Henning Schlottmann
wrote:
> Austin Hair wrote:
>> My ideal, personally, is something more like nntp--and while I'm
>> perfectly happy to turn over the list to some other technology, I
>> don't know that this is the magic solution, and I agree with Tim that
>> it
2009/9/10 Sue Gardner :
> Hi Thomas!
>
> Sorry to top-post, and to be late replying. I believe that all 26
> proposals are up now on the meta page. Let me know if you can't find
> it, and I can post the link tonight when I'm back on my laptop.
The proposals are up, but not the details of which wer
> Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 11:46:36 -0400
> From: Anthony
> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] moderate this list
>
> There needs to be place for dozens of back-and-forth-over-minor-details
> discussion. Long detailed emails have their place, but after they are
> posted there needs to be room for a qu
Hi Thomas!
Sorry to top-post, and to be late replying. I believe that all 26
proposals are up now on the meta page. Let me know if you can't find
it, and I can post the link tonight when I'm back on my laptop.
Thanks,
Sue
On 09/09/2009, Thomas Dalton wrote:
> Once again, thank you for this. One
On 9/9/09 9:41 AM, David Gerard wrote:
> As Erik points out, at a certain point we have to actually write new
> code to support new ideas. Else "projects we could do at Wikimedia"
> becomes "projects we can do with a wiki engine."
IMO we need to do that for the projects we already have before we t
Henning Schlottmann writes:
> I'm reading and posting to the list using nntp. foundation-l is
> distributed by gmane.org as the (pseudo) newsgroup
> news:gemane.org.wikimedia.foundation on the server news.gmane.org along
> with all the other Wikimedia mailing lists and it is by far the most
> com
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On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 9:23 PM, Samuel Klein wrote:
>
> Great idea. Where's the right place to suggest this on the Incubator?
> That's a project where I have regrettably not gotten to know any of
> the local policies yet.
Here is the main project discussion:
http://incubator.wikimedia.org/wik
On 9/8/09, Brian wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 6:28 PM, Erik Moeller wrote:
>
> > 2009/9/8 Michael Peel :
> > > What could be the cause of this recent dearth of new projects?
> >
> > Certainly the process for getting a new project underway is so complex
> > and exhausting that it's not som
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