Re: [Foundation-l] Donation Button Enhancement : Part 2

2009-07-20 Thread Robert Rohde
On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 11:28 PM, Gregory Maxwell wrote: > On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 2:15 AM, effe iets > anders wrote: >> What about changing it every hour? Then you have sufficient randomness over >> time, and no flashy buttons. > > You still have the problem that peoples response to future buttons

Re: [Foundation-l] Donation Button Enhancement : Part 2

2009-07-20 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 2:15 AM, effe iets anders wrote: > What about changing it every hour? Then you have sufficient randomness over > time, and no flashy buttons. You still have the problem that peoples response to future buttons will depend on the past buttons they've seen. __

Re: [Foundation-l] strategic planning IRC office hours

2009-07-20 Thread Samuel Klein
A related question - I see there was a request to set up a new domain, " strategy.wikimedia.org" What would this new site be for? New single-purpose wikis can flounder after distracting people with setting up basic infrastructure (userpages, handy community gathering points) and tend to segment t

Re: [Foundation-l] Donation Button Enhancement : Part 2

2009-07-20 Thread effe iets anders
What about changing it every hour? Then you have sufficient randomness over time, and no flashy buttons. -- eia 2009/7/21 Erik Moeller > 2009/7/20 Liam Wyatt : > > Rotating them would seem like a more viable solution than randomised - We > > don't want the situation where every new page in WP s

Re: [Foundation-l] Donation Button Enhancement : Part 2

2009-07-20 Thread Liam Wyatt
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Gregory Maxwell wrote: > On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 9:19 PM, Erik Moeller wrote: > > Indeed, that's the reasoning behind the proposed approach. We don't > > want it to typically be changing constantly for an individual user. > > Yes, a sequential run does introduce v

Re: [Foundation-l] Donation Button Enhancement : Part 2

2009-07-20 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 9:19 PM, Erik Moeller wrote: > Indeed, that's the reasoning behind the proposed approach. We don't > want it to typically be changing constantly for an individual user. > Yes, a sequential run does introduce various problematic biases. > > An IP-address based hack could work

Re: [Foundation-l] strategic planning IRC office hours

2009-07-20 Thread Samuel Klein
Hi Eugene, very nice, thank you (and welcome!) * Could you please help update the meta page on the process with your thoughts and ideas? [[m:Strategic planning 2009]] What's your current rough timeline for the coming 12 months? * I see you are using a non-editable Chandler calendar to track ta

Re: [Foundation-l] strategic planning IRC office hours

2009-07-20 Thread Milos Rancic
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 3:47 AM, Eugene Eric Kim wrote: > and talk about the process, Philippe and I will be holding IRC office > hours tomorrow on freenode's #wikimedia channel from 8-10pm UTC. (You > can convert this to your local timezone using: http://bit.ly/1aCw9p ). May you confirm that "tom

[Foundation-l] strategic planning IRC office hours

2009-07-20 Thread Eugene Eric Kim
Hi everybody, We're still in the process of getting up to speed, but I'm anxious to start interacting with more of you and garnering some feedback as we prepare to initiate this process. As a way to get to know each other and talk about the process, Philippe and I will be holding IRC office hours

Re: [Foundation-l] Donation Button Enhancement : Part 2

2009-07-20 Thread Erik Moeller
2009/7/20 Liam Wyatt : > Rotating them would seem like a more viable solution than randomised - We > don't want the situation where every new page in WP someone reads there is a > new/different coloured donation button where last week there was none at all > - to go from nothing to that would be al

Re: [Foundation-l] Donation Button Enhancement : Part 2

2009-07-20 Thread Liam Wyatt
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 11:02 AM, Andrew Gray wrote: > 2009/7/21 Robert Rohde : > > > Testing should be done in parallel, not in sequence. History has > > demonstrated that donors have a tendency to respond disproportionately > > to "the new thing". Which means that whatever button you test firs

Re: [Foundation-l] Donation Button Enhancement : Part 2

2009-07-20 Thread Andrew Gray
2009/7/21 Robert Rohde : > Testing should be done in parallel, not in sequence.  History has > demonstrated that donors have a tendency to respond disproportionately > to "the new thing".  Which means that whatever button you test first > will have an advantage over whichever one you test last.  P

Re: [Foundation-l] Donation Button Enhancement : Part 2

2009-07-20 Thread Brian
On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 6:04 PM, Robert Rohde wrote: > On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 4:50 PM, Rand Montoya > wrote: > > Wikimedians-- > > > > As many of you know, last month we began work on exploring the > > visibility of the donate button on all Wikimedia projects. After a long > > comment period, we

Re: [Foundation-l] Donation Button Enhancement : Part 2

2009-07-20 Thread Robert Rohde
On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 4:50 PM, Rand Montoya wrote: > Wikimedians-- > > As many of you know, last month we began work on exploring the > visibility of the donate button on all Wikimedia projects. After a long > comment period, we received many comments and many new ideas. Some of > these ideas we

[Foundation-l] Donation Button Enhancement : Part 2

2009-07-20 Thread Rand Montoya
Wikimedians-- As many of you know, last month we began work on exploring the visibility of the donate button on all Wikimedia projects. After a long comment period, we received many comments and many new ideas. Some of these ideas we have incorporated into a new set of test buttons. Thank you

Re: [Foundation-l] Board elections candidacy period time change

2009-07-20 Thread Dan Rosenthal
I find it somewhat ridiculous that someone would not know about the key dates. I've had them on my calendar for at least a month, if not more. -Dan On Jul 20, 2009, at 12:05 PM, Philippe Beaudette wrote: > It appears that perhaps centralnotice might be working again once > you've confirme

Re: [Foundation-l] Board elections candidacy period time change

2009-07-20 Thread Huib!
Hello, The globalsite notice is working again :D I removed the local sitenotice on incubator and Commons. Huib ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

Re: [Foundation-l] RE; Announcing Philippe Beaudette as the Strategy Project Facilitator

2009-07-20 Thread Tim Landscheidt
geni wrote: >> I fail to understand how the extension of the candidacy period can pose a >> possible conflict of interest on Philippe's part at all. Please explain. > The board are effectively going to be his future boss's boss. > In theory as a member the election committee he is meant to make

Re: [Foundation-l] RE; Announcing Philippe Beaudette as the Strategy Project Facilitator

2009-07-20 Thread geni
2009/7/20 Jon Harald Søby : > I fail to understand how the extension of the candidacy period can pose a > possible conflict of interest on Philippe's part at all. Please explain. The board are effectively going to be his future boss's boss. In theory as a member the election committee he is meant

Re: [Foundation-l] Board elections candidacy period time change

2009-07-20 Thread Philippe Beaudette
It appears that perhaps centralnotice might be working again once you've confirmed that on local wikis, would those of you who put up local notices kindly defer to the central notice? Many thanks! pb On Jul 20, 2009, at 10:08 AM, Philippe Beaudette wrote: > Thanks Robert - > > You're cor

Re: [Foundation-l] [Slashdot] Why the Photos On Wikipedia Are So Bad

2009-07-20 Thread Sage Ross
On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 7:05 AM, Peter Gervai wrote: >> Ultimately the issue for professional photographers who might want to >> donate their work is copyright. 'To me the problem is the Wikipedia >> rule of public use,' says Jerry Avenaim, a celebrity photographer. 'If >> they truly wanted to elev

Re: [Foundation-l] Board elections candidacy period time change

2009-07-20 Thread Philippe Beaudette
Thanks Robert - You're correct that extending it doesn't do much good if we don't get the word out. Thanks for doing this. Philippe On Jul 20, 2009, at 9:50 AM, Robert Rohde wrote: > Given that CentralNotice still isn't working, I've taken the hopefully > temporary and short-lived approach

Re: [Foundation-l] Board elections candidacy period time change

2009-07-20 Thread Huib!
Hello, I have imported the En.wiki sitenotice on Commons and Incubator. This isn't the best way offcourse but it will let more people know about it. Best regards, Huib -- Http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/user:Abigor ___ foundation-l mailing list

Re: [Foundation-l] Board elections candidacy period time change

2009-07-20 Thread Robert Rohde
Given that CentralNotice still isn't working, I've taken the hopefully temporary and short-lived approach of simulating the candidate notice using enwiki's local site notice. Extending the nomination period does little if people don't actually know about it. Philippe has been posting a notice abo

Re: [Foundation-l] RE; Announcing Philippe Beaudette as the Strategy Project Facilitator

2009-07-20 Thread Jon Harald Søby
2009/7/19 geni > 2009/7/19 Philippe Beaudette : > > Thanks, Jaroslav - > > > > I'm really glad (truly) that there are people like you who think > > through those issues of values. I want to reinforce that my offer to > > resign was the very first email that I sent after accepting the job. > > I

[Foundation-l] Actual lawyers discussing the NPG vs. WP situation

2009-07-20 Thread Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
http://lawclanger.blogspot.com/2009/07/its-not-often-that-copyright-cases-get.html Enjoy. Yours, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation

Re: [Foundation-l] [Slashdot] Why the Photos On Wikipedia Are So Bad

2009-07-20 Thread Nikola Smolenski
Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote: > it to Commons, or make it insufficiently; 2) why they do not make it ot > the articles. I tried to make the point in the recent thread on the > purpose of Commons, but somehow it did not draw enough attention. > Realistically, if somebody uploaded a good picture (not ne

Re: [Foundation-l] new list summaries

2009-07-20 Thread Yaroslav M. Blanter
> Dear all, > > I swear I'll try to get back on a bi-weekly schedule. Note: If anyone > wants to try their hand at summarizing some of the other lists, there > are lots of low-traffic project lists that could gain a bigger > audience if summarized. > Thanks Phoebe for keeping this up. Cheers Yaros

Re: [Foundation-l] [Slashdot] Why the Photos On Wikipedia Are So Bad

2009-07-20 Thread Yaroslav M. Blanter
I think there ate two issues here, not one, even though all the replies concentrate on just one issue: 1) why (good quality) pictues do not make it to Commons, or make it insufficiently; 2) why they do not make it ot the articles. I tried to make the point in the recent thread on the purpose of Com

Re: [Foundation-l] [Slashdot] Why the Photos On Wikipedia Are So Bad

2009-07-20 Thread Peter Gervai
> Ultimately the issue for professional photographers who might want to > donate their work is copyright. 'To me the problem is the Wikipedia > rule of public use,' says Jerry Avenaim, a celebrity photographer. 'If > they truly wanted to elevate the image on the site, they should allow > photograph

Re: [Foundation-l] [Slashdot] Why the Photos On Wikipedia Are So Bad

2009-07-20 Thread Marco Chiesa
On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 12:38 PM, Stephen Bain wrote: >> Why the Photos On Wikipedia Are So Bad > ... >> 'To me the problem is the Wikipedia >> rule of public use,' says Jerry Avenaim, a celebrity photographer. 'If >> they truly wanted to elevate the image on the site, they should allow >> photogra

Re: [Foundation-l] [Slashdot] Why the Photos On Wikipedia Are So Bad

2009-07-20 Thread David Gerard
2009/7/20 Stephen Bain : >> 'To me the problem is the Wikipedia >> rule of public use,' says Jerry Avenaim, a celebrity photographer. 'If >> they truly wanted to elevate the image on the site, they should allow >> photographers to maintain the copyright.'" > We should definitely take advice from

Re: [Foundation-l] [Slashdot] Why the Photos On Wikipedia Are So Bad

2009-07-20 Thread Huib!
Hello, I think the writer should have looked on Commons longer and he would have find beautifull images. We work on Wikimedia with a lot of people doing the best the can, and the message read above is disrespectfull to our volunteers. Nobody start with perfect photo's, even the best photographer

Re: [Foundation-l] [Slashdot] Why the Photos On Wikipedia Are So Bad

2009-07-20 Thread Huib!
Hello, I think the writer should have looked on Commons longer and he would have find beautifull images. We work on Wikimedia with a lot of people doing the best the can, and the message read above is disrespectfull to our volunteers. Nobody start with perfect photo's, even the best photographer

Re: [Foundation-l] [Slashdot] Why the Photos On Wikipedia Are So Bad

2009-07-20 Thread Stephen Bain
> Why the Photos On Wikipedia Are So Bad ... > 'To me the problem is the Wikipedia > rule of public use,' says Jerry Avenaim, a celebrity photographer. 'If > they truly wanted to elevate the image on the site, they should allow > photographers to maintain the copyright.'" We should definitely take

Re: [Foundation-l] [Slashdot] Why the Photos On Wikipedia Are So Bad

2009-07-20 Thread Lennart Guldbrandsson
2009/7/20 K. Peachey > Why the Photos On Wikipedia Are So Bad > --- > Recent photographs on Wikipedia are almost > exclusively the work of amateurs who don't mind giving away their > work. 'Amateur may be too kind a word; their photos te

[Foundation-l] [Slashdot] Why the Photos On Wikipedia Are So Bad

2009-07-20 Thread K. Peachey
Why the Photos On Wikipedia Are So Bad --- "The NY Times has an article investigating why, unlike the articles on Wikipedia which in theory are improved, fact checked, footnoted, and generally enhanced over time, the photos that go with Wi

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for volunteers: 2009-2010 Audit Committee

2009-07-20 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Congratulations with this highly qualified list of people for the Audit Committee :) I hope they will have a good time and an uneventful time .. :) Thanks, GerardM 2009/7/20 Stuart West > Just a quick follow-up note to thank everyone who expressed interest in > serving on the Foundatio