Re: [Foundation-l] Third-party GFDL text irrevocably incompatible with Wikipedia as of August 1

2009-05-28 Thread Fred Bauder
> You know ... I can't think of a single instance in which I've ever seen > Wikipedia content reused in which the GFDL was followed. In EVERY > instance, > the attribution has either been messed up or omitted altogether. > > I'm not saying this is a good thing, of course. > > Newyorkbrad As one o

Re: [Foundation-l] Third-party GFDL text irrevocably incompatible with Wikipedia as of August 1

2009-05-28 Thread Newyorkbrad (Wikipedia)
You know ... I can't think of a single instance in which I've ever seen Wikipedia content reused in which the GFDL was followed. In EVERY instance, the attribution has either been messed up or omitted altogether. I'm not saying this is a good thing, of course. Newyorkbrad On Thu, May 28, 2009 a

Re: [Foundation-l] Third-party GFDL text irrevocably incompatible with Wikipedia as of August 1

2009-05-28 Thread Anthony
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 2:57 PM, geni wrote: > 2009/5/28 David Goodman : > >Free culture arose to permit > > reuse, and should continue that way. We should simply have told the > > FSF: At least when dealign with text, we regard all CC-BY licenses as > > compatible with each other and with GFDL

Re: [Foundation-l] Third-party GFDL text irrevocably incompatible with Wikipedia as of August 1

2009-05-28 Thread Stephen Bain
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 4:51 AM, David Goodman wrote: > We should simply have told the > FSF: At least when dealign with text, we regard all CC-BY licenses as > compatible with each other and with GFDL, and therefore there's > nothing that needs to be negotiated. Anyone who wants to use our > co

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Chrome to support Ogg Theora video natively

2009-05-28 Thread philippe
That is seriously good news and demonstrates Wikimedia's leadership in the field yet again. On May 28, 2009, at 3:56 PM, Kat Walsh wrote: > Another step towards an open web -- Google's Chrome browser is going > to support Theora video natively with the HTML5 video tag: > http://blog.internetn

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Chrome to support Ogg Theora video natively

2009-05-28 Thread Brion Vibber
El 5/28/09 1:56 PM, Kat Walsh escribió: > Another step towards an open web -- Google's Chrome browser is going > to support Theora video natively with the HTML5 video tag: > http://blog.internetnews.com/skerner/2009/05/google-chrome-3-adds-html5.html > http://codereview.chromium.org/115625/diff/1/2

[Foundation-l] Google Chrome to support Ogg Theora video natively

2009-05-28 Thread Kat Walsh
Another step towards an open web -- Google's Chrome browser is going to support Theora video natively with the HTML5 video tag: http://blog.internetnews.com/skerner/2009/05/google-chrome-3-adds-html5.html http://codereview.chromium.org/115625/diff/1/2 (Mozilla has already committed to this--and fu

Re: [Foundation-l] Third-party GFDL text irrevocably incompatible with Wikipedia as of August 1

2009-05-28 Thread Samuel Klein
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 2:51 PM, David Goodman wrote: > regardless of lthe licensing zealots. Free culture arose to permit > reuse, and should continue that way. We should  simply have told the So it did. Wikipedia follows much stricter rules of reuse, which is fair, as it is expected to withsta

Re: [Foundation-l] Third-party GFDL text irrevocably incompatible with Wikipedia as of August 1

2009-05-28 Thread Fred Bauder
> 2009/5/28 David Goodman : >> The solution, as with international affairs, is tolerance. In this >> case, the practical aceptance of all free licenses as equivalent, >> regardless of lthe licensing zealots. Free culture arose to permit >> reuse, and should continue that way. We should  simply hav

Re: [Foundation-l] Third-party GFDL text irrevocably incompatible with Wikipedia as of August 1

2009-05-28 Thread geni
2009/5/28 David Goodman : > The solution, as with international affairs, is tolerance. In this > case, the practical aceptance of all free licenses as equivalent, > regardless of lthe licensing zealots. Comparing Affero to just about any other free license shows that to be completely false. >Free

Re: [Foundation-l] Third-party GFDL text irrevocably incompatible with Wikipedia as of August 1

2009-05-28 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/5/28 David Goodman : > The solution, as with international affairs, is tolerance. In this > case, the practical aceptance of all free licenses as equivalent, > regardless of lthe licensing zealots. Free culture arose to permit > reuse, and should continue that way. We should  simply have told

Re: [Foundation-l] Third-party GFDL text irrevocably incompatible with Wikipedia as of August 1

2009-05-28 Thread David Goodman
The solution, as with international affairs, is tolerance. In this case, the practical aceptance of all free licenses as equivalent, regardless of lthe licensing zealots. Free culture arose to permit reuse, and should continue that way. We should simply have told the FSF: At least when dealign wi

Re: [Foundation-l] Third-party GFDL text irrevocably incompatible with Wikipedia as of August 1

2009-05-28 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/5/28 Ray Saintonge : > Samuel Klein wrote: >>> As much as anything else it is the short time frame that will look >>> pushy.  Wikipedia went through a lot of debate *before* the switch, and >>> >> The timeframe is a problem, absolutely. >> > > If we were so fortunate as to have that as the onl

Re: [Foundation-l] Third-party GFDL text irrevocably incompatible with Wikipedia as of August 1

2009-05-28 Thread Ray Saintonge
Samuel Klein wrote: >> As much as anything else it is the short time frame that will look >> pushy. Wikipedia went through a lot of debate *before* the switch, and >> > The timeframe is a problem, absolutely. > If we were so fortunate as to have that as the only problem, there would be n

Re: [Foundation-l] Third-party GFDL text irrevocably incompatible with Wikipedia as of August 1

2009-05-28 Thread Anthony
> > the internal debates of others should not matter less. As I understand > > what is being said they will still be able to import from WMF projects; > > For a limited time - until some bit of cc-sa material is incorporated > into a given article. They'll still be able to incorporate any of the

Re: [Foundation-l] Third-party GFDL text irrevocably incompatible with Wikipedia as of August 1

2009-05-28 Thread Samuel Klein
> As much as anything else it is the short time frame that will look > pushy.  Wikipedia went through a lot of debate *before* the switch, and The timeframe is a problem, absolutely. > the internal debates of others should not matter less.  As I understand > what is being said they will still be

Re: [Foundation-l] Third-party GFDL text irrevocably incompatible with Wikipedia as of August 1

2009-05-28 Thread Ray Saintonge
Samuel Klein wrote: > Ray Saintonge wrote: > >> Newyorkbrad (Wikipedia) wrote: >> >>> The point I was making is that I expect people will continue importing >>> and exporting as per past practice with no attention given to the >>> issue and few people caring. From a legal point of view that

Re: [Foundation-l] Third-party GFDL text irrevocably incompatible with Wikipedia as of August 1

2009-05-28 Thread effe iets anders
2009/5/28 Ray Saintonge : > effe iets anders wrote: >> >> Which makes me wonder how a judge would rule on this btw. Because if >> the GFDL and CCBYSA are enough similar before the deadline to >> interchange, why wouldn't they be afterwards? Except for that line in >> the GFDL version, I don't see l