Re: [Foundation-l] Long-term archiving of Wikimedia content

2009-05-04 Thread Brian
If I'm limited to 17th century technology then I guess my other solution is out too. Compressor: Drop Wikipedia into a black hole Decompressor: Read Wikipedia out of the hawking radiation Ahh well. On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 11:24 PM, Tim Starling wrote: > Brian wrote: > > Wouldn't the most cost eff

Re: [Foundation-l] Long-term archiving of Wikimedia content

2009-05-04 Thread Tim Starling
Brian wrote: > Wouldn't the most cost effective solution to be to first fund research in > compression so fewer bits have to be etched out? > In that case these guys are already on the job: http://prize.hutter1.net/ The obvious reply to that is that the Rosetta project aims to make an archive read

Re: [Foundation-l] Long-term archiving of Wikimedia content

2009-05-04 Thread Pharos
On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 12:02 AM, Tim Starling wrote: > Samuel Klein wrote: >> They wouldn't take up proportionally more space in etching than they >> do on screen.  So an extra 10-20% overall.  They would probably make >> the process a bit more expensive, but still to this scale.  an >> illustrate

Re: [Foundation-l] Long-term archiving of Wikimedia content

2009-05-04 Thread Brian
Wouldn't the most cost effective solution to be to first fund research in compression so fewer bits have to be etched out? In that case these guys are already on the job: http://prize.hutter1.net/ On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 10:02 PM, Tim Starling wrote: > Samuel Klein wrote: > > They wouldn't take up

Re: [Foundation-l] Long-term archiving of Wikimedia content

2009-05-04 Thread Tim Starling
Samuel Klein wrote: > They wouldn't take up proportionally more space in etching than they > do on screen. So an extra 10-20% overall. They would probably make > the process a bit more expensive, but still to this scale. an > illustrated encyclo may well be worth twice as much. > > Let's see wh

Re: [Foundation-l] Long-term archiving of Wikimedia content

2009-05-04 Thread Brian
My technology/power of community inspired opinion is that we don't need to worry about that problem right now. We could recreate all the content in short order were all the datacenters simultaneously struck by asteroids, and more feasible long-term storage solutions will present themselves in the n

Re: [Foundation-l] Long-term archiving of Wikimedia content

2009-05-04 Thread Samuel Klein
They wouldn't take up proportionally more space in etching than they do on screen. So an extra 10-20% overall. They would probably make the process a bit more expensive, but still to this scale. an illustrated encyclo may well be worth twice as much. Let's see what the Rosetta folks have to say

Re: [Foundation-l] Long-term archiving of Wikimedia content

2009-05-04 Thread geni
2009/5/5 Samuel Klein : > I'm splitting off a separate thread about long-term archiving. The > original thread is important enough not to derail it. > > This is a big topic, and also one that has been addressed in many > different bodies of planning and literature. The Long Now foundation > has c

[Foundation-l] Long-term archiving of Wikimedia content

2009-05-04 Thread Samuel Klein
I'm splitting off a separate thread about long-term archiving. The original thread is important enough not to derail it. This is a big topic, and also one that has been addressed in many different bodies of planning and literature. The Long Now foundation has considered a 10,000-year library pro

Re: [Foundation-l] More on Wikimedia strategic planning

2009-05-04 Thread David Gerard
2009/5/5 Jussi-Ville Heiskanen : > Heh, that reminds me of a fresh Finnish patented method of > "printing" on concrete, and the freshly built archival building > in Hämeenlinna. Here is a bit of detail of the wall of the building. > see if it reminds you of anything familiar to us all? > http://4.

Re: [Foundation-l] More on Wikimedia strategic planning

2009-05-04 Thread Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
Nikola Smolenski wrote: > > For a really long term, a cooperation with some brickworks, where a brick > printer would be introductd in the brick producing process, so that Wikipedia > (and other important works) would be printed on every brick produced. We know > that Sumerian tablets have laste

Re: [Foundation-l] More on Wikimedia strategic planning

2009-05-04 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/5/4 Nikola Smolenski : > It seems to me that you are joking, but I was seriously thinking about > cooperating with the Long Now project on long term preservation of Wikipedia. No joke, I thing the long term preservation of knowledge is a very worthy cause. > Printing Wikipedia on acid-free p

Re: [Foundation-l] More on Wikimedia strategic planning

2009-05-04 Thread Nikola Smolenski
Дана Sunday 03 May 2009 14:28:00 Thomas Dalton написа: > 2009/5/3 Jussi-Ville Heiskanen : > > Besides the off-planet complete database-backup I envisioned, > > another intriguing conceit would be to start on the process > > of transcribing wikipedia onto vellum with non-corrosive and > > persistent

Re: [Foundation-l] More on Wikimedia strategic planning

2009-05-04 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/5/4 Thomas de Souza Buckup : > 4. Sustainability. The goal of this Working Group will be to make sure the > Wikimedia movement can reach its vision in a sustainable way. It could > answer important sub-group questions like: > *How to sustain Wikimedia services and data across any major situati

Re: [Foundation-l] Board statement on Wikimedia trademarks

2009-05-04 Thread Robert Rohde
On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 3:04 AM, Florence Devouard wrote: > Hold on Robert. > > Michael provided us with the "wish" of the board. After so many years they get my thanks simply by calling attention to this as an issue of concern. I realize there is still more to do, but this increases my confiden

Re: [Foundation-l] Board statement on Wikimedia trademarks

2009-05-04 Thread Andre Engels
On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 8:27 AM, Michael Snow wrote: > Because of this, we ask the Wikimedia staff to take appropriate steps to > register and protect the Wikimedia marks, develop a set of policies and > practices, and develop a strategy to allow uses by the chapters and > community for activitie

Re: [Foundation-l] Board statement on Wikimedia trademarks

2009-05-04 Thread Florence Devouard
Robert Rohde wrote: > On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 9:37 AM, Florence Devouard wrote: >> Michael Snow wrote: >>> This is the statement on trademarks mentioned earlier. It both states >>> the approach we want the Wikimedia Foundation to take and directs the >>> staff to carry it out. It basically sums up