Re: [Foundation-l] Proposed revised attribution language

2009-03-14 Thread Ray Saintonge
Jussi-Ville Heiskanen wrote: > Language will not bind contributors who understand they > are protected by the copyleft provisions of both GFDL and > CC-BY-SA. That just will not happen. > > In the real world much of the terms of use will be just so > much arm-waving, let us be realistic. > This

Re: [Foundation-l] Licensing update committee open for membership applications

2009-03-14 Thread Thomas Larsen
I would actually be in favour of all committee members being required to publicly reveal their real names. The licensing update (if and when it occurs) would be major, historical event. People in charge of supporting/facilitating/implementing the decision regarding any license change should be acco

Re: [Foundation-l] Proposed revised attribution language

2009-03-14 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/3/15 Jussi-Ville Heiskanen : > I think the practice of using summary lines for attribution > has from the start been viewed as a temporary solution, > only to be used until we figure out a better way to handle > content such as translations from other language projects. > > I think if we do go

Re: [Foundation-l] Proposed revised attribution language

2009-03-14 Thread Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
Thomas Dalton wrote: > 2009/3/15 Jussi-Ville Heiskanen : > >> Hehe, I am way ahead of you, brother. >> >> I've already sort of put the idea out there, discreetly, >> that it would be cool if there was a url redirection service >> on wikimedia servers, that would shorten the urls into >> somethin

Re: [Foundation-l] Proposed revised attribution language

2009-03-14 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/3/15 Jussi-Ville Heiskanen : > Hehe, I am way ahead of you, brother. > > I've already sort of put the idea out there, discreetly, > that it would be cool if there was a url redirection service > on wikimedia servers, that would shorten the urls into > something like http://wmattr/342y6 or the

Re: [Foundation-l] Proposed revised attribution language

2009-03-14 Thread Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
David Gerard wrote: > 2009/3/14 Jussi-Ville Heiskanen : > > >> The only thing *on* wikimedia websites that does >> satisfy that currently is the history of articles; a direct >> link into the history is sadly the only option available. I >> think it is way cool that people are thinking of innova

Re: [Foundation-l] Proposed revised attribution language

2009-03-14 Thread Ray Saintonge
geni wrote: > 2009/3/14 David Gerard : > >> Here's an idea: nice URLs for the history. So we don't end up with >> stupid things peppered with ? and & and = printed on mugs, travel >> guides, etc. >> > If the people producing the mugs want that they are free to produce a > version of the his

Re: [Foundation-l] Proposed revised attribution language

2009-03-14 Thread David Gerard
2009/3/14 David Gerard : > 2009/3/14 geni : >> 2009/3/14 David Gerard : >>> Here's an idea: nice URLs for the history. So we don't end up with >>> stupid things peppered with ? and & and = printed on mugs, travel >>> guides, etc. >> If the people producing the mugs want that they are free to prod

[Foundation-l] Wikimedia Hungary picture competiton

2009-03-14 Thread Bence Damokos
Dear All, Pray, allow me to announce the first ever international picture competition of Wikimedia Hungary. [1] The competition officially launching tomorrow, commemorating a Hungarian national holiday[2], is aimed at gathering visual representations - photographs, videos, maps, drawings, SVG gra

Re: [Foundation-l] Proposed revised attribution language

2009-03-14 Thread David Gerard
2009/3/14 geni : > 2009/3/14 David Gerard : >> Here's an idea: nice URLs for the history. So we don't end up with >> stupid things peppered with ? and & and = printed on mugs, travel >> guides, etc. > If the people producing the mugs want that they are free to produce a > version of the history o

Re: [Foundation-l] Proposed revised attribution language

2009-03-14 Thread geni
2009/3/14 David Gerard : > 2009/3/14 Jussi-Ville Heiskanen : > >> The only thing *on* wikimedia websites that does >> satisfy that currently is the history of articles; a direct >> link into the history is sadly the only option available. I >> think it is way cool that people are thinking of innova

Re: [Foundation-l] Proposed revised attribution language

2009-03-14 Thread David Gerard
2009/3/14 Jussi-Ville Heiskanen : > The only thing *on* wikimedia websites that does > satisfy that currently is the history of articles; a direct > link into the history is sadly the only option available. I > think it is way cool that people are thinking of innovative > ways of formatting that i

Re: [Foundation-l] Proposed revised attribution language

2009-03-14 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/3/14 Jussi-Ville Heiskanen > I think you fail at logic. > > You could not have two mirrors linking to each others with > neither listing the authors, if the first one to mirror was > compliant with the CC-BY-SA. Posit the first mirror complied with > and required compliance of that license. It

Re: [Foundation-l] Proposed revised attribution language

2009-03-14 Thread Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
Erik Moeller wrote: > Here's a first crack at revised attribution language. When the > language is completely finalized, I'll send a separate note explaining > some of our reasoning for this general approach in more detail. In the > meantime, I'd appreciate it if you could point out any bugs in thi

Re: [Foundation-l] status of the licensing update

2009-03-14 Thread Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
Robert Rohde wrote: > On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 8:38 PM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen > wrote: > >> Personally I can't fully agree. Where no new problems are >> introduced, and old obstacles are removed, the move can >> be a good thing in itself, irregardless of the ambiguities >> that were there before

Re: [Foundation-l] Proposed revised attribution language

2009-03-14 Thread Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
Erik Moeller wrote: > 2009/3/11 Jussi-Ville Heiskanen : > >> 3. If the intent is to maintain a stipulation that conforming >> to the license can be done by satisfying a significantly >> lower threshold than supplying the authors, but since we >> are doing that "more onerous route", every other s