Re: [Foundation-l] dumps

2009-02-23 Thread Erik Moeller
2009/2/22 River Tarnell : > currently the dump process is a bit broken. what is the Foundation's position > on this? Making the full history dump process scale to en.wp, and dumps more reliable in general, is a high priority project. It was assigned to Ariel, but due to escalating tech support pr

Re: [Foundation-l] dumps

2009-02-23 Thread Samuel Klein
Copying the Commons list. I am interested in hosting (and running some scripts on) copies of the commons media dump on offline regional servers for offline-reading purposes. This is difficult without an image dump. The last time I looked, I was able to find an image dump from 2007? Now I have a

Re: [Foundation-l] dumps

2009-02-23 Thread Samuel Klein
On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 2:44 PM, David Gerard wrote: > It's too easy for a nominally "open" project to effectively be > proprietised by just not providing the data/code/etc. Sure. That's not the issue here, but more people indicating how much they care about good dumps (I do! also full commons

Re: [Foundation-l] Simple English Encyclopedia

2009-02-23 Thread Brian Salter-Duke
On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 10:01:11AM -0800, Ray Saintonge wrote: > Brian Salter-Duke wrote: >> However my central point that a discussion of something as important as >> closing one of our most important projects in a way that few know about >> it remains. The !vote is 42:102. We get more at en:WP on

Re: [Foundation-l] dumps

2009-02-23 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/2/23 Chad : > On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 2:44 PM, David Gerard wrote: >> The value of providing good dumps is forkability, in case WMF is hit >> by a meteor, hit by a legal meteor, goes collectively insane, etc. >> Imagine trying to fork Wikipedia without being able to take the >> project spaces

Re: [Foundation-l] dumps

2009-02-23 Thread Chad
On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 2:44 PM, David Gerard wrote: > 2009/2/23 Newyorkbrad (Wikipedia) : > > > However, one question that I have is whether the dump includes, or should > > conclude, all namespaces, or only articles. In the past, there have > > allegedly been instances in which database dumps

Re: [Foundation-l] dumps

2009-02-23 Thread Newyorkbrad (Wikipedia)
Actually, I was thinking primarily of userspace. Newyorkbrad On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 2:44 PM, David Gerard wrote: > 2009/2/23 Newyorkbrad (Wikipedia) : > > > However, one question that I have is whether the dump includes, or should > > conclude, all namespaces, or only articles. In the past, t

Re: [Foundation-l] dumps

2009-02-23 Thread David Gerard
2009/2/23 Newyorkbrad (Wikipedia) : > However, one question that I have is whether the dump includes, or should > conclude, all namespaces, or only articles. In the past, there have > allegedly been instances in which database dumps have been utilized for > purposes such as harvesting oversighted

Re: [Foundation-l] dumps

2009-02-23 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/2/23 Newyorkbrad (Wikipedia) : > I'm not familiar with the details of the data dump process, so I can't > comment on whether it's broken or not. It's broken, I don't think there is any dispute there. > However, one question that I have is whether the dump includes, or should > conclude, all

Re: [Foundation-l] dumps

2009-02-23 Thread Newyorkbrad (Wikipedia)
I'm not familiar with the details of the data dump process, so I can't comment on whether it's broken or not. However, one question that I have is whether the dump includes, or should conclude, all namespaces, or only articles. In the past, there have allegedly been instances in which database du

Re: [Foundation-l] Simple English Encyclopedia

2009-02-23 Thread Geoffrey Plourde
I have refrained from commenting on this post in the interest of lessening the impact on people's inboxes. However, I feel that after a cursory inspection of my own, I should probably make a few points. One is that in the year or so I have been subscribed to this list, I cannot think of any majo

Re: [Foundation-l] Simple English Encyclopedia

2009-02-23 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/2/23 Al Tally : > On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 6:06 PM, Nathan wrote: > >> The question of how such a discussion would be closed is what concerns me >> the most - I can't see allowing a meta bureaucrat to close such a poll >> (which is what we would do in en.wp), and since the Foundation would hav

Re: [Foundation-l] Simple English Encyclopedia

2009-02-23 Thread Al Tally
On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 6:06 PM, Nathan wrote: > The question of how such a discussion would be closed is what concerns me > the most - I can't see allowing a meta bureaucrat to close such a poll > (which is what we would do in en.wp), and since the Foundation would have > to > make the changes a

Re: [Foundation-l] Simple English Encyclopedia

2009-02-23 Thread Al Tally
On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 6:01 PM, Ray Saintonge wrote: > A further argument against having this principally discussed on Meta is > that those who are best served by Simple do not have the language skills > to participate fully in a discussion where there is unlimited use of > language. > > Ec > M

Re: [Foundation-l] Simple English Encyclopedia

2009-02-23 Thread Nathan
On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 1:01 PM, Ray Saintonge wrote: > > > A further argument against having this principally discussed on Meta is > that those who are best served by Simple do not have the language skills > to participate fully in a discussion where there is unlimited use of > language. > > Ec

Re: [Foundation-l] Simple English Encyclopedia

2009-02-23 Thread Ray Saintonge
Brian Salter-Duke wrote: > However my central point that a discussion of something as important as > closing one of our most important projects in a way that few know about > it remains. The !vote is 42:102. We get more at en:WP on a RFA. A further argument against having this principally discusse

Re: [Foundation-l] Simple English Encyclopedia

2009-02-23 Thread Mark Williamson
That may be your opinion, but that doesn't mean it can't be done, hasn't been done before, or won't be done again. Mark skype: node.ue 2009/2/23 Al Tally : > On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 4:48 PM, Mark Williamson wrote: > >> This is wrong; the Siberian Wikipedia had an active userbase but was >> cl

Re: [Foundation-l] Simple English Encyclopedia

2009-02-23 Thread Al Tally
On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 4:48 PM, Mark Williamson wrote: > This is wrong; the Siberian Wikipedia had an active userbase but was > closed because it was deemed to be in a "fake" language. > As long as a project has an active community, there really is no good reason to close a project. -- Alex (

Re: [Foundation-l] Simple English Encyclopedia

2009-02-23 Thread Mark Williamson
This is wrong; the Siberian Wikipedia had an active userbase but was closed because it was deemed to be in a "fake" language. Mark skype: node.ue 2009/2/23 Al Tally : > Proposals to close Simple English projects are like the perennial proposals > of Wikipedia: not going to happen. As long as

Re: [Foundation-l] Simple English Encyclopedia

2009-02-23 Thread Al Tally
Proposals to close Simple English projects are like the perennial proposals of Wikipedia: not going to happen. As long as a project has an active community, there really is no good reason to close a project. OK, Simple English might not meet current standards for language, but it has an active comm

Re: [Foundation-l] Simple English Encyclopedia

2009-02-23 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/2/23 Brian Salter-Duke : > However my central point that a discussion of something as important as > closing one of our most important projects in a way that few know about > it remains. The !vote is 42:102. We get more at en:WP on a RFA. The proposal is almost certainly going to fail, so the

Re: [Foundation-l] Simple English Encyclopedia

2009-02-23 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/2/23 Anthony : > On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 7:16 PM, Thomas Dalton wrote: > >> The discussion has to >> take place somewhere, meta seems the best option (the only obvious >> alternative is to have closure discussions on the project in question, >> but that would most likely result in few people f

Re: [Foundation-l] Simple English Encyclopedia

2009-02-23 Thread Al Tally
On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 9:45 AM, Brian Salter-Duke wrote: > They know about it because of [[Template:Bulletin/News]] on Simple. As > far as I can see the place(s) that this is transcuded are the only > places. The question however is how does a Simple WP editor who never > normally goes to meta kn

Re: [Foundation-l] Simple English Encyclopedia

2009-02-23 Thread Brian Salter-Duke
On Mon, 23 Feb 2009 09:18:03 +, Al Tally wrote: > On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 4:05 AM, H wrote: > >> Brian, >> It is usually the responsibility of the proposer to notify the >> community. I am very surprised that no one did. >> > > Er, the community was notified. Not by the proposer, but by som

Re: [Foundation-l] Simple English Encyclopedia

2009-02-23 Thread Al Tally
On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 4:05 AM, H wrote: > Brian, > It is usually the responsibility of the proposer to notify the > community. I am very surprised that no one did. > Er, the community was notified. Not by the proposer, but by someone else. They do know about it though. No issue here. -- Ale