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Wikipedia-l is still a good place to discuss Wikipedia related issues
regardless of language. I've seen some interesting discussions take
place there over the last couple of months.
It's still quite useful.
Cary
Mark Williamson wrote:
> I still hold
Robert Rohde wrote:
> True, though under the current system a middle man in position of a
> user authentication token could do exactly the same things to
> Wikimedia as someone with the plaintext password. Which is a short
> way of saying our system has never been built with much security in
> min
Michael Snow escribió:
> I suppose I should bring it with me whether I spend it or not. Anyway, I'm
> looking forward to Wikimania, and seeing any of you that are able to
> make it.
>
> --Michael Snow
You should bring it and not spend it. I foresee you will be asked about
them there :-)
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On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 2:52 PM, Robert Rohde wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Thomas Dalton
> wrote:
> > 2009/2/19 Nathan :
> >> So the question really should be, what of this would be to our
> disadvantage?
> >
> > It's very difficult to set up technically, for a start. Live mirrorin
On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Thomas Dalton wrote:
> 2009/2/19 Robert Rohde :
>> I think you are significantly overestimating the difficulty. We
>> already have an API [1] and similar tools that allow one to accomplish
>> many similar tasks. For example, calling ?action=render will give you
2009/2/19 Robert Rohde :
> I think you are significantly overestimating the difficulty. We
> already have an API [1] and similar tools that allow one to accomplish
> many similar tasks. For example, calling ?action=render will give you
> a llive HTML version of any current page that could be wrap
On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Thomas Dalton wrote:
> 2009/2/19 Nathan :
>> So the question really should be, what of this would be to our disadvantage?
>
> It's very difficult to set up technically, for a start. Live mirroring
> of existing content isn't too hard, but sorting out editing would
On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Mark Williamson wrote:
> I still hold the crown on Wikipedia-l. Whatever happened to that list,
> anyways?
Pretty much no decisions are made at the "Wikipedia" level. They're either
made at the foundation level or the individual project one.
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I still hold the crown on Wikipedia-l. Whatever happened to that list, anyways?
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2009/2/19 Nathan :
> On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 1:55 PM, Thomas Dalton wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>> That's the result of having to write a master's thesis!
>>
>> Actually, I think that list is very positive - we
On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 1:39 PM, Nathan wrote:
> Thomas Dalton 753 GerardM 738 David Gerard 450 Ray Saintonge 405
> Anthony 403 Milos Rancic 381 geni 359 Anthere 323 Dan Rosenthal 316
> Chad 311 Nathan 283 Mark Williamson 276 Andrew Whitworth 273 Geoffrey
> Plourde 253 Erik Moeller 22
> Thomas Dalton 753 GerardM 738 David Gerard 450 Ray Saintonge 405
> Anthony 403 Milos Rancic 381 geni 359 Anthere 323 Dan Rosenthal 316
> Chad 311 Nathan 283 Mark Williamson 276 Andrew Whitworth 273 Geoffrey
> Plourde 253 Erik Moeller 229 Jussi-Ville Heiskanen 224 effe iets anders
Isn't that what outsourcing is...
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2009/2/19 Gerard Meijssen :
> Hoi,
> It is not outsourcing at all. Quite the contrary, it would be people from
> elsewhere, people who are likely to be trusted from elsewhere editing our
> content from somewhere else as well. In essence it would
I hope you realize that doesn't make any sense. If the WMF didn't
exist, how could it host anything at all?
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2009/2/19 Gerard Meijssen :
> Hoi,
> The French Wikipedia may pre-date the WMF but the hosting of the French
> Wikipedia has always been done by the WMF. So your argument i
Hoi,
I am glad that you did not count the number of times that I blogged on one
of my blogs. Have a read and tell me where you think I make most sense ...
http://ulltmategerardm.blogspot.com
http://omegawiki.blogspot.com
http://extensiontesting.blogspot.com/
Thanks,
GerardM
2009/2/19 Nathan
2009/2/19 Nathan :
> On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 1:55 PM, Thomas Dalton wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>> That's the result of having to write a master's thesis!
>>
>> Actually, I think that list is very positive - we have 25 people all
>> posting at least an average of 5 posts a day. That's a large, active
>> comm
On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 8:24 AM, Anthony wrote:
> The GFDL has problems which need to be fixed. If the "relicensing" under
> CC-BY-SA occurs, that's much less likely to happen.
I spent 3 years trying to get the GFDL fixed. Would you like me to
forward you all of the "We'll get back to you later"
On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 1:55 PM, Thomas Dalton wrote:
>
>
>
> That's the result of having to write a master's thesis!
>
> Actually, I think that list is very positive - we have 25 people all
> posting at least an average of 5 posts a day. That's a large, active
> community. 753 emails is a frighte
2009/2/19 Nathan :
> So the question really should be, what of this would be to our disadvantage?
It's very difficult to set up technically, for a start. Live mirroring
of existing content isn't too hard, but sorting out editing would be a
nightmare. We presumably wouldn't want everyone editing un
2009/2/19 Nathan :
> Sometime in the past year I stopped posting the top posters list because it
> was seen as not useful and perhaps encouraging the type of behavior it was,
> in fact, meant to discourage. Even so, I thought I might post this special
> edition of top posters. The numbers come from
On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 1:30 PM, David Levy wrote:
>
>
> But what's the point of duplicating the entire structure (including
> talk pages) instead of simply referring these experts to Wikipedia?
> Even if everything could be made seamless, what would be the
> advantage?
>
It's simple, really. Fi
Sometime in the past year I stopped posting the top posters list because it
was seen as not useful and perhaps encouraging the type of behavior it was,
in fact, meant to discourage. Even so, I thought I might post this special
edition of top posters. The numbers come from Erik Zachte's list page, a
Nathan wrote:
> This sounds like a very interesting idea to me. None of the potential
> problems are obvious dealbreakers to me. It isn't outsourcing, the talkpage
> can be shared as easily as anything else, we would really like to take
> advantage of concentrated groups of expert users, and the m
Gerard Meijssen wrote:
> If articles can be shared, surely talk pages can be shared too ?
Yes, but this eliminates the avoidance of interaction that David
Goodman cited as a benefit.
And if that's the case, what *is* the benefit? Why dedicate effort
and resources toward duplicating the normal e
This sounds like a very interesting idea to me. None of the potential
problems are obvious dealbreakers to me. It isn't outsourcing, the talkpage
can be shared as easily as anything else, we would really like to take
advantage of concentrated groups of expert users, and the more editors we
get (whe
Creation of new articles by IPs was never disabled on de-WP. However,
the number of articles coming is has been steady for years now with
about 1.500, of which around 1.000 are speedy deleted, so an overall
net growth of slightly less than 500 per day.
Otherwise, we are were indeed able to come do
Hoi,
If articles can be shared, surely talk pages can be shared too ?
Thanks,
GerardM
2009/2/19 David Levy
> David Goodman wrote:
>
> > The benefit is in getting users who would not be comfortable on
> > Wikipedia because of the perceived and real behavior problems on that
> > site--even i
2009/2/19 David Levy :
> David Goodman wrote:
>
>> The benefit is in getting users who would not be comfortable on
>> Wikipedia because of the perceived and real behavior problems on that
>> site--even if this is no worse ultimately than in the academic world,
>> the mode of interaction is certainl
On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 11:09 PM, Michael Snow wrote:
> Sage Ross wrote:
> > From my experience talking with people (mostly academics) who have
> > Wikipedia articles, they are often unhappy with their articles but
> > also either don't want to interfere in a community they aren't part
> > of, or
David Goodman wrote:
> The benefit is in getting users who would not be comfortable on
> Wikipedia because of the perceived and real behavior problems on that
> site--even if this is no worse ultimately than in the academic world,
> the mode of interaction is certainly very different.
In other wo
The benefit is in getting users who would not be comfortable on
Wikipedia because of the perceived and real behavior problems on that
site--even if this is no worse ultimately than in the academic world,
the mode of interaction is certainly very different. Why do we assume
the present editing envir
I have never understood why any substantial contributor to Wikipedia
here would feel that attributing the specific text the contributed to
an article to them individually if an article is reprinted is to
their benefit--given that the text will have been almost entirely
replaced, modified, and fra
On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 9:24 AM, Anthony wrote:
> I'd much rather see a switch to the GSFDL, with some sort of clause added
> to that license allowing combining of history lines into a single line
> listing all significant authors, in the case of an MMORPG (or whatever it is
> the FSF has chosen
On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 11:38 PM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen <
cimonav...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Robert Rohde wrote:
> > If someone comes to us and says: "I want to print a copy of [[France]]
> > in my book. What is a reasonable way to comply with the license?",
> > then we really ought to be able to ans
2009/2/19 Robert Rohde :
> In my opinion, it is incumbent upon us to give examples of how we
> believe third parties can legally and practically reuse WMF content by
> exercising rights under CC-BY-SA. If we can't, in our collective
> wisdom, agree on how third parties ought to be able to accompli
2009/2/19 Gerard Meijssen :
> Hoi,
> Thomas OTHER people can see this benefit.. It is not that hard.. even I can.
Then would you care to explain it to me?
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Wikimedia Nederland has:
* Participated in the greenbook about copyright reform in the European Union
* Written a letter to the government which resulted in the release of
portrait photographs of all members of the current cabinet under GFDL
* Talked to members of the parliament about copyright ref
I totally agree that we should know in advance on how attribution
should take place when people are going to reuse our content. A good
example on how to handle this might be how the Blender Foundation did
that with its 'Elephant's Dream' and 'Big Buck Bunny' projects (even
though the license there
On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 8:51 AM, Chad wrote:
>
> That aside: the two situations are entirely different. This proposal
> is effectively outsourcing a section of Wikipedia to some experts
> in the field. That's entirely unlike the Foundation deciding to add
> an additional language for Wikipedia to
On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 21:28, Bence Damokos wrote:
> Hi,Thank you for your replies. Are there any notable examples you could
> mention, or point me to?You might be interested in the German initiative of
> working with a state-funded Institute to write articles in Wikipedia about
> Sustainable R
2009/2/19 Jimmy Wales :
> I think a deeper point is that there are a lot of very problematic BLP's
> on Wikipedia, and this is an ongoing problem that we all have to be very
> serious about.
In my anecdotal experience (as a UK phone contact), BLPs are our
biggest public relations problem. I'm re
2009/2/19 Michael Snow :
> I'm likely going to put the general issue of biographies on the board's
> next agenda, for what that's worth. Though as I say, there's no simple
> blanket solution, and I don't know if we can promise anything beyond
> more discussion and more awareness of the issues.
W
Hoi,
It is not outsourcing at all. Quite the contrary, it would be people from
elsewhere, people who are likely to be trusted from elsewhere editing our
content from somewhere else as well. In essence it would be an ultimate mash
up.
Thanks,
GerardM
2009/2/19 Chad
> Was it ever on French s
The local government of Seoul, Korea, is preparing to donate some of
her contents.
For the donation they approached to the bureaucrats of ko.wp, because
we don't have a local chapter in Korea.
Finally they decided to publish them in a major web portal in Korea in
condition of free license. The port
On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 12:47 PM, basedrop wrote:
> I don't have a particular need to have the art history portion of the wiki
> editable for my users at my domain. I have the specialized users at my
> site, I'd like to take advantage of that aggregation of specialized users
> to the benefit of
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