Re: [Foundation-l] How to dismantle a language committee

2009-01-13 Thread Crazy Lover
My proposal: 1.- Have a set of simple rules approved by community. 2.- A langcom integrate enterly by lingüists. C.m.l. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/fo

Re: [Foundation-l] Why is the software out of reach of thecommunity?

2009-01-13 Thread Phil Nash
David Gerard wrote: >> 2009/1/13 Tim Starling : >> >>> The template equivalent to refactoring is the introduction of >>> meta-templates, such as {{infobox}}. Nothing wrong with that; C++ has abstract classes which aren't intended to be instantiated directly, but form useful models for hiding comm

Re: [Foundation-l] Why is the software out of reach of the community?

2009-01-13 Thread David Gerard
2009/1/13 Tim Starling : > The template equivalent to refactoring is the introduction of > meta-templates, such as {{infobox}}. The other useful thing that can be done with templates is to standardise the field names in them as much as possible per wiki. The reason? To enhance machine readabili

Re: [Foundation-l] Why is the software out of reach of the community?

2009-01-13 Thread Tim Starling
geni wrote: > 2009/1/13 Tim Starling : >> I believe that the solution to this problem lies in borrowing concepts >> from software engineering, such as variables, functions, minimally >> parenthesized programming languages, libraries, objects, etc. I know that >> many template programmers cannot pro

Re: [Foundation-l] Why is the software out of reach of the community?

2009-01-13 Thread Alex
Aryeh Gregor wrote: > On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 12:28 PM, geni wrote: >> How well do those concepts stand up when you have a lot of people >> copying and pasting code they don't really understand (writing an >> infobox from scratch is hard modifying an existing one less so)? > > Pretty well, I susp

Re: [Foundation-l] Why is the software out of reach of the community?

2009-01-13 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 1:29 PM, Gazimoff wrote: > After downloading, installing and maintaining a low-traffic Mediawiki > setup, I think the experience can be improved dramatically. It's clear > that a heavy amount of work has been done on improving processing > speed and providing additional fun

Re: [Foundation-l] Why is the software out of reach of the community?

2009-01-13 Thread Gazimoff
Tim, As a qualified software engineer, I'm inclined to agree with you on a number of points. I apologize for my brevity, but I am somewhat restricted by the use of a mobile device. After downloading, installing and maintaining a low-traffic Mediawiki setup, I think the experience can be imp

Re: [Foundation-l] Why is the software out of reach of the community?

2009-01-13 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 12:28 PM, geni wrote: > How well do those concepts stand up when you have a lot of people > copying and pasting code they don't really understand (writing an > infobox from scratch is hard modifying an existing one less so)? Pretty well, I suspect. Of course, real languag

Re: [Foundation-l] Why is the software out of reach of the community?

2009-01-13 Thread geni
2009/1/13 Tim Starling : > I believe that the solution to this problem lies in borrowing concepts > from software engineering, such as variables, functions, minimally > parenthesized programming languages, libraries, objects, etc. I know that > many template programmers cannot program in a traditio

Re: [Foundation-l] Why is the software out of reach of the community?

2009-01-13 Thread Tim Starling
Brian wrote: > Thank for your answers. > > ParserFunctions are my specific example of how the current development > process is very, very broken, and out of touch with the community. > According to Jimbo's user page (his bolded): "*Any changes to the software > must be gradual and reversible.* We