Hoi,
With 93.68% of the messages for FlaggedRevs localised, I do argue that the
implementation of FlaggedRevs should be done when feasible for the Hebrew
Wikisource. The Hebrew community at Betawiki deserve to see the fruits of
their labout reflected in an implementation.
Thanks,
GerardM
20
Hoi,
Interesting but off topic. At issue is that many parts exist that are known
to make MediaWiki more usable. We need to make MediaWiki more usable and all
it takes is to apply the lessons learned by applying the results of the
usability studies performed by UNICEF.
We only have to learn about t
Christiano Moreschi hett schreven:
> No it doesn't. The greatest tool for the education of those poor sods in the
> 3rd world is the English Wikipedia, plus Spanish, French, etc. But mostly en.
Well, from a totalitarian point of view, that would be the best. A
totalitarian system gives precenden
Milos Rancic wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 7:27 AM, Nikola Smolenski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On Monday 01 December 2008 02:25:10 geni wrote:
>>> 2008/12/1 Milos Rancic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
So, if you are able to make an internet pidgin-English project, it
could work for younger. H
On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 7:27 AM, Nikola Smolenski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Monday 01 December 2008 02:25:10 geni wrote:
>> 2008/12/1 Milos Rancic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> > So, if you are able to make an internet pidgin-English project, it
>> > could work for younger. However, en.wp is not wor
On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 10:29 PM, Nikola Smolenski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Monday 01 December 2008 04:09:11 Robert Rohde wrote:
>> On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 6:16 PM, Neil Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>> > Is the data replicated anywhere outside the Tampa data centre (such as
>> > in Am
On Monday 01 December 2008 04:09:11 Robert Rohde wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 6:16 PM, Neil Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> > Is the data replicated anywhere outside the Tampa data centre (such as
> > in Amsterdam or Seoul)? If not, just one fire, flood or hurricane could
> > destroy the e
On Monday 01 December 2008 02:25:10 geni wrote:
> 2008/12/1 Milos Rancic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > So, if you are able to make an internet pidgin-English project, it
> > could work for younger. However, en.wp is not working. To be honest, I
> > was thinking that the most useful Wikimedian project in
The point is that the quality of the vast majority of scientific-related
articles even in English Wikipedia is laughable anyway. This is a much
more general problem that the language division.
Cheers
Yaroslav
> You also need to considered the argument beyond wikipedia. The ratio
> of scientific p
On Sunday 30 November 2008 23:24:58 Christiano Moreschi wrote:
> No it doesn't. The greatest tool for the education of those poor sods in
> the 3rd world is the English Wikipedia, plus Spanish, French, etc. But
> mostly en. Here's why.
Did you know...
...that not everyone knows English?
On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 4:24 AM, phoebe ayers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> New mailing list summaries:
>
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/LSS/foundation-l-archives/2008_November_16-30
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/LSS/wikiEN-l-archives/2008_11_16-30
>
Nice!.
>
> (I won't do this every time one
On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 8:04 PM, teun spaans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It is good to hear that en: is replicated. I assume this also applies to
> commons?
The database yes. For images there is as-needed caching in Amsterdam
and Korea, but my understanding is that the only complete copies of
th
On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 2:25 AM, geni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Serbian isn't a launguage. It's a dialect of the Central South Slavic
> diasystem and one of the projects I had in mind when I brought up
> smaller languages becoming POV forks.
Saying that something is not a language is a strong cl
It is good to hear that en: is replicated. I assume this also applies to
commons?
Still, it might be a good idea to think about a redesign of the dump
process.
On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 4:09 AM, Robert Rohde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 6:16 PM, Neil Harris <[EMAIL PROTECT
Hi, we've entered December. Has my worry has come true, namely that interim
discussion of localization would send the request to never-never land? It would
be great if he.wikisource could be implemented :-)
In general, for those who are interested in the topic, information on the
implementation
On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 6:16 PM, Neil Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Is the data replicated anywhere outside the Tampa data centre (such as
> in Amsterdam or Seoul)? If not, just one fire, flood or hurricane could
> destroy the entire en: Wikipedia.
There are database mirrors of every wiki, i
Adding icons is a good idea. Maybe an icon for official announcements from
the Foundation as well?
2008/12/1 phoebe ayers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> New mailing list summaries:
>
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/LSS/foundation-l-archives/2008_November_16-30
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/LSS/wikiEN-
New mailing list summaries:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/LSS/foundation-l-archives/2008_November_16-30
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/LSS/wikiEN-l-archives/2008_11_16-30
(I won't do this every time one is posted, but just in case people
missed the last note about the list summary service reboot.
2008/12/1 Neil Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Is the data replicated anywhere outside the Tampa data centre (such as
> in Amsterdam or Seoul)? If not, just one fire, flood or hurricane could
> destroy the entire en: Wikipedia.
En probably isn't that bad. We have lost commons images already.
--
ge
Thomas Dalton wrote:
>>> Not to years but yes the English Wikipedia dumps very rarely work.
>>> De.wikipedia is starting to suffer the same issues and image database
>>> dumps don't happen.
>>>
>> No, I think it really has been two years (September 2006 to be
>> precise). I'm pretty sure th
2008/12/1 Milos Rancic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> So, if you are able to make an internet pidgin-English project, it
> could work for younger. However, en.wp is not working. To be honest, I
> was thinking that the most useful Wikimedian project in Serbia is
> English Wikipedia, but I was wrong. Serbian
On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 11:48 PM, geni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What is Tswana for mass spectrometry (looking at the translations for
> that term across European languages is mildly amusing) ? There are
> large areas where if you don't speak english you can't operate in that
> area. There is no
Sorry, but to me this just sounds like FUD. Do you have any information to
back up your claims about small wikis deteriorating? Don't forget, these are
WIKIS we are talking about. In WIKIS everyone can change the content, and
even though people may add bad content, they may also add good content (a
Only if the information is not a pack of lies. Which on a smaller wiki it
probably will be. And, as I pointed out 4 posts ago, it's more valuable for Mr
Botswana in English anyway.
CM
Odi profanum vulgus et arceo.
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 00:07:24 +0100
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Martin Pascal, 27/11/2008 10:02:
> Dear all,
>
> We are working for a new version of Kiwix, the offline reader wich used for
> http://wikipediaondvd.com/ .
There is also an italian open source project for this:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/wanda-tools/.
And the next italian Wikipedia DVD (by E
On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 2:39 PM, Thomas Dalton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> No, dumps are total, not incremental.
>
> The dumps are, yes, but what about the creation of the dumps? My
> understanding was that they are created by taking an old dump and
> adding to it.
No. Each dump process starts
Have you forgotten that these are WIKIS we are talking about? It's not just a
matter of translation: the technology isn't there to do it automatically and we
don't have the manpower do it manually. Even if the technology were there, it's
a WIKI. Unlike your friend's translations, our content ca
Hoi,
EMC2 is a company who sells storage solutions to big companies. I was at a
presentation of their documentation manager. He informed his audience that
the people who buy their products invariably state that they prefer the
English documentation. They always get the translations as well. The ben
2008/11/30 effe iets anders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Because bear in mind, especially in those languages, a complemented work of
> human knowledge really adds something. In the large languages, we already
> had encyclopediae and dictionaries of good quality. Wikipedia is better
> sure, and has improv
I don't see why it matters. As long as there's /some/ content, there's
content that can be poor quality. If anything, a wiki with virtually no
community is more susceptible to quality problems. If someone
intentionally inserts misinformation or libel into an article on the
English Wikipedia, it wil
Hoi,
Given that UNICEF has done proper usability studies. Given that they have
measured the success of the changes they made. We can be aware of the
lessons that were learned in this way. We can adopt the changes and learn
how it affects *our *smaller projects. When we cooperate with UNICEF, when
w
> No, dumps are total, not incremental.
The dumps are, yes, but what about the creation of the dumps? My
understanding was that they are created by taking an old dump and
adding to it.
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>> Not to years but yes the English Wikipedia dumps very rarely work.
>> De.wikipedia is starting to suffer the same issues and image database
>> dumps don't happen.
>
> No, I think it really has been two years (September 2006 to be
> precise). I'm pretty sure there have been no complete dumps thi
Right, you act as if smaller wikis were tremendous vessels of potential just
waiting to be filled with pearls of wisdom, when experience suggests they are
landfill sites. If Google develop something that could automatically translate
every article on en into perfect Mongolian/Latvian/Zulu, your
Hoi,
You added some pearl of wisdom at the end. It is obviously wasted for the
people like me who do not understand Latin. In a similar way, if these other
people do not read and understand English Spanish French etc, they are not
informed with our pearls of wisdom..
Thanks,
GerardM
2008/11
We should indeed care. One thing is that we should do whatever we can to
help new projects grow to a selfsustainable size in terms of content and
contributors. The second is that we must accept that a lot of new projects
will fail, but that this is no reason not to go ahead with even more new
proje
Huh? Could you please provide some evidence for this striking claim that the
French and German Wikipedias are failing? Let me be clear: I don't think
anybody reads the English wikibooks either!
CM
Odi profanum vulgus et arceo.
> Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 22:15:46 +0100
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTE
Hoi,
I wish for 80% of our projects to have the same problems as our bigger
projects. It would be cool that we could compare the quality issues of the
Xhosa Wikipedia or any of the bottom 80%. It takes content in order to talk
about quality. The content is not there and consequently quality is not
No it doesn't. The greatest tool for the education of those poor sods in the
3rd world is the English Wikipedia, plus Spanish, French, etc. But mostly en.
Here's why.
1. It's the biggest. It's the best. You learn the most.
2. You get to practice reading English at the same time. English is T
On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 11:11 PM, Christiano Moreschi <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Do we care that 80%
> > of our projects are failing?
> > Thanks,
> > GerardM
>
> No. Why should we? Nobody actually reads shit like the albanian wikibooks
> (doesn't matter if that doesn't exist, you get m
Actually, the quality is a serious problem of all projects including
en.wp. I thought it is obvious for everybody, but if not, I can provide
more detail.
Cheers
Yaroslav
> Please, speak for yourself :) I *do* care, and if there is an easy and
> definite solution, I'd love to embrace it. I think w
Please, speak for yourself :) I *do* care, and if there is an easy and
definite solution, I'd love to embrace it. I think we should care about our
little siblings, about the smaller languages as we call them, and support
them if possible. I can only hope you were being extremely ironic :)
Because
Gerard Meijssen, 30/11/2008 21:43:
> {{cn|80%}}
> of our projects are failing?
Nemo
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On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 12:56 PM, geni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 2008/11/30 Michael Peel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> Hold on...what? There is no recent dump of the English Wikipedia, and
>> there hasn't been for the last 2 years?
>>
>> Please tell me I'm misunderstanding things here.
>>
>> Mike
>
>
On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 12:58 PM, Thomas Dalton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I saw this the other day as well and found it odd. While enwiki dumps
>> do take the longest, this does seem like an _incredibly_ long time for
>> "All pages with complete page edit history (.bz2)" to finish (May 2009).
>
Hoi,
Small projects using MediaWiki for any of the languages that you indicate
are relevant are failing for exactly the same reason.
Thanks,
GerardM
2008/11/30 Christiano Moreschi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> Do we care that 80%
> > of our projects are failing?
> > Thanks,
> > GerardM
>
Do we care that 80%
> of our projects are failing?
> Thanks,
> GerardM
No. Why should we? Nobody actually reads shit like the albanian wikibooks
(doesn't matter if that doesn't exist, you get my point). Such projects exist
purely the monomaniacal benefit of the editor(s), not any readers
Hoi,
The presentation is online. I blogged about this extension in the past..
http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.com/search/label/Usability
Thanks,
GerardM
2008/11/30 Thomas Dalton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > At Wikimania 2008 a presentation
> > was given by developers from UNICEF who had done p
> At Wikimania 2008 a presentation
> was given by developers from UNICEF who had done proper usability studies.
> They found that 100% of their newbie testsubjects were not able to create a
> new article.
I wasn't there, so didn't see the presentation. Did they detail the
problems these test subje
> I saw this the other day as well and found it odd. While enwiki dumps
> do take the longest, this does seem like an _incredibly_ long time for
> "All pages with complete page edit history (.bz2)" to finish (May 2009).
Do you know how many pages enwiki has and how much edit history they
each have
2008/11/30 Michael Peel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Hold on...what? There is no recent dump of the English Wikipedia, and
> there hasn't been for the last 2 years?
>
> Please tell me I'm misunderstanding things here.
>
> Mike
Not to years but yes the English Wikipedia dumps very rarely work.
De.wikiped
On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 3:35 PM, Michael Peel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On 30 Nov 2008, at 20:11, Robert Rohde wrote:
>
> > On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 8:20 AM, Erik Zachte
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> English -> English dump
> >>
> >>> Because myself and others have been frustrated by the
Hoi,
Regularly I hear people say that Wikipedia is failing. When you then listen,
there are all kinds of good reasons why Wikipedia is failing. Quality is
low, issues with living persons, pov pushers a long litany of woes are all
grounds to predict the imminent demise of Wikipedia. While all these
On 30 Nov 2008, at 20:11, Robert Rohde wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 8:20 AM, Erik Zachte
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> English -> English dump
>>
>>> Because myself and others have been frustrated by the lack of good
>>> stats on the number of active editors on the English Wikipedia, I
On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 8:20 AM, Erik Zachte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> English -> English dump
>
>> Because myself and others have been frustrated by the lack of good
>> stats on the number of active editors on the English Wikipedia, I have
>> compiled some stats on the editing frequency on enwi
On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 1:24 PM, Nathan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If that were the major reason, wouldn't you expect to see a return to former
> levels in the last four months?
>
> Nathan
Not necessarily. We have to think about psychological dynamics here.
It may well be the case that many st
If that were the major reason, wouldn't you expect to see a return to former
levels in the last four months?
Nathan
On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 1:17 PM, Pharos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 1:12 PM, Nathan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Wow, someone had more than 10,000 edits i
On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 1:12 PM, Nathan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Wow, someone had more than 10,000 edits in February of 2002.
>
> Does it look to anyone else like the first five months of 2007 and 2008 were
> very busy, followed by a drop for the rest of the year? If that is whats
> happened, a
Wow, someone had more than 10,000 edits in February of 2002.
Does it look to anyone else like the first five months of 2007 and 2008 were
very busy, followed by a drop for the rest of the year? If that is whats
happened, any theories as to why?
Nathan
On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 5:32 AM, Robert Rohd
English -> English dump
> Because myself and others have been frustrated by the lack of good
> stats on the number of active editors on the English Wikipedia, I have
> compiled some stats on the editing frequency on enwiki:
No worries: in only 176 days from now the English dump will be ready and
Ø Because myself and others have been frustrated by the lack of good
Ø stats on the number of active editors on the English Wikipedia, I have
Ø compiled some stats on the editing frequency on enwiki:
No worries: in only 176 days from now the English will be ready and I can
run wikistats sc
Because myself and others have been frustrated by the lack of good
stats on the number of active editors on the English Wikipedia, I have
compiled some stats on the editing frequency on enwiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Editing_frequency
I am going to forgo any extensive analysis for
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