Re: Painful story...

2012-06-17 Thread sathyamoorthi
Hi, I knew very well, this is not a place for HTML. That's why i clearly said "Please don't reply with any HTML codes". I just tried to say how Flex is good when compare with HTML in lay-outing. What i did wrong is instead of posting this in flex-users list, i posted it in flex-dev. I don'

Re: Painful story...

2012-06-16 Thread jude
You can't tell stories at work? I think some of us would say it is related. It's motivation. And with all the delays it can be easy to forget why we're all here. Besides that, it's interesting. I like these discussions because it shows the pros and cons of what's out there and what we can learn fr

Re: Painful story...

2012-06-16 Thread Randy Troppmann
+1 (non-binding) Doug On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 12:28 PM, Doug McCune wrote: >> >> I agree there is benefit to debating various options and alternatives.  I >> disagree that this list is the place for such discussions, as such >> discussions are unrelated to the development of the Flex SDK. >> > >

Re: Painful story...

2012-06-15 Thread Jeffry Houser
On 6/15/2012 2:28 PM, Doug McCune wrote: I agree there is benefit to debating various options and alternatives. I disagree that this list is the place for such discussions, as such discussions are unrelated to the development of the Flex SDK. I guess my concern is that the people contributing

Re: Painful story...

2012-06-15 Thread Doug McCune
> > I agree there is benefit to debating various options and alternatives. I > disagree that this list is the place for such discussions, as such > discussions are unrelated to the development of the Flex SDK. > I guess my concern is that the people contributing to the Flex SDK will essentially p

Re: Painful story...

2012-06-15 Thread Jeffry Houser
On 6/15/2012 12:12 PM, Doug McCune wrote: Your experiences / pains on building HTML apps has no place here. Nor does a debate on the merits of HTML/JavaScript Frameworks. I've said it before and I'll repeat it again. This is so very not true. As a community, as a project, as a technology, Flex

Re: Painful story...

2012-06-15 Thread Christophe Herreman
Hi Rick, I was merely mentioning Flex vs HTML as the undertone of the original message. The various technologies should indeed be discussed and considered together, preferably on a separate list if not directly related to the development of the Flex SDK itself. regards, Christophe 2012/6/15 Rick

Re: Painful story...

2012-06-15 Thread Rick Winscot
Christophe - what of Falcon and the onus it places on the future of the Flex SDK? This is not a story of HTML vs Flex... it's about their interdependency and maturity. I don't think that it would be wise to conceptually place these two technologies into separate buckets at this point. Just sayin

Re: Painful story...

2012-06-15 Thread Greg Lafrance
And we might learn things that help us develop Apache Flex to be even better. On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 9:30 AM, Rick Winscot wrote: > Doug's comments are well said... discussing the pain-points in a competing > technology is a healthy exercise. > > On Friday, June 15, 2012 at 12:12 PM, Doug McCune

Re: Painful story...

2012-06-15 Thread Ariel Jakobovits
If you really think about it, the post was tongue in cheek, meant to spur passion and action amongst exactly the group of people who are on this list, people who can save this and other poor fellows from a treacherous HTML existence. It was meant to be inspirational. Ariel Jakobovits arielj...

Re: Painful story...

2012-06-15 Thread Rick Winscot
Doug's comments are well said... discussing the pain-points in a competing technology is a healthy exercise. On Friday, June 15, 2012 at 12:12 PM, Doug McCune wrote: > > > > Your experiences / pains on building HTML apps has no place here. Nor > > does a debate on the merits of HTML/JavaScript

Re: Painful story...

2012-06-15 Thread Christophe Herreman
I agree that we should not silence people that want to discuss HTML vs Flex as we can only benefit from these discussions. However, this is the flex-dev list, intended for people who are actively working on the Flex SDK code. I would encourage everyone to check the flex-users list for discussions l

Re: Painful story...

2012-06-15 Thread Doug McCune
> > Your experiences / pains on building HTML apps has no place here. Nor > does a debate on the merits of HTML/JavaScript Frameworks. I've said it before and I'll repeat it again. This is so very not true. As a community, as a project, as a technology, Flex absolutely is fighting tooth and nail

Re: Painful story...

2012-06-15 Thread Peter Elst
+1 on Jeffry's remark, and sorry to add to the noise. - Peter On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 4:32 PM, Jeffry Houser wrote: > > I don't believe I was being unfriendly. This is mailing list explicitly > related to building the Apache Flex SDK. Your experiences / pains on > building HTML apps has no p

Re: Painful story...

2012-06-15 Thread Jeffry Houser
I don't believe I was being unfriendly. This is mailing list explicitly related to building the Apache Flex SDK. Your experiences / pains on building HTML apps has no place here. Nor does a debate on the merits of HTML/JavaScript Frameworks. I'm not saying discussions on HTML or related

Re: Painful story...

2012-06-15 Thread Richard Ranke
Try twitters bootstrap...pretty nice. http://twitter.github.com/bootstrap On Jun 15, 2012 10:01 AM, "Joan Llenas Masó" wrote: > You are right, HTML layout is painful ( not sure if HTML5 improved the box > model in any way ) > Onde I needed a consistent grid layout system, nestable up to a few le

Re: Painful story...

2012-06-15 Thread Joan Llenas Masó
I don't see this mail so Off Topic that I would send someone elsewhere... Don't be so unfriendly please.. (With all due respects) -- Joan Llenas Masó CTO Garnet Works SL T. 93 848 57 27 -- @joangarnet (es) @joanllenas (en) http://joan.garnet.io On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 4:02 PM, Jeffry Houser w

Re: Painful story...

2012-06-15 Thread almansour belleh blanco
To make the layout in HTML as easy as in Flex, you can use a responsive grid http://960.gs -- Mansour Blanco Software engineer Stackoverflow: http://stackoverflow.com/users/612920/mansuro Blog: zuro.blogspot.com github: https://github.com/Mansuro

Re: Painful story...

2012-06-15 Thread Jeffry Houser
With all due respects; we're glad you like Flex and some of it's simplicity; but as this conversation has nothing to do with development of Flex SDK; can you please take it elsewhere? On 6/15/2012 9:50 AM, James Ong wrote: Hundreds libraries? Just JQuery and any solid JS framework will do. I

Re: Painful story...

2012-06-15 Thread Joan Llenas Masó
You are right, HTML layout is painful ( not sure if HTML5 improved the box model in any way ) Onde I needed a consistent grid layout system, nestable up to a few levels deep and ended up using blueprintcss http://blueprintcss.org/ and generating a huge CSS for all kinds of combinations. It worked

Re: Painful story...

2012-06-15 Thread James Ong
Hundreds libraries? Just JQuery and any solid JS framework will do. I been using Flex, Scala (Play! or Lift framework) and PHP/Javascript/CSS for years. You will need to understand Flex is not one-size-fit-all technology and slowly you should get used to it. On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 9:40 PM, sathy