Re: Kick starter

2012-11-17 Thread Jeffry Houser
On 11/15/2012 4:23 AM, Maxime Cowez wrote: What I do not like about the way you're setting this up, is that initial development will happen behind closed doors (at least that's how I understand it). So here's a question: would you consider open-sourcing your development effort right from the star

Re: Kick starter

2012-11-15 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 5:09 PM, Alex Harui wrote: > ...I think people should be able to write some > amount code without having to expose it to the list. But if Jeffry wants to > save the work in progress on his whiteboard as a backup, that would be one > way to share... IMO, evolving code here

Re: Kick starter

2012-11-15 Thread Alex Harui
On 11/15/12 1:23 AM, "Maxime Cowez" wrote: > @Jeffry Please don't get me wrong: I very much appreciate the fact that > your approach is a pragmatic way to get things done quickly. I absolutely > agree there should be less chatter and more coding. The issue is I don't > have time to finish my o

Re: [MENTORS] CCLAs and Software Grants for LLC's? (was Re: Kick starter)

2012-11-15 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi, On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 8:17 PM, Alex Harui wrote: > ...My mental model of the rules say that if a corporation owns a copyright, we > need a CCLA covering the contributor and donations should have a software > grant. But what about LLCs? Especially one-person LLCs?... Whoever commits code

Re: Kick starter

2012-11-15 Thread Maxime Cowez
@Jeffry Please don't get me wrong: I very much appreciate the fact that your approach is a pragmatic way to get things done quickly. I absolutely agree there should be less chatter and more coding. The issue is I don't have time to finish my own implementation and make it completely compliant with

Re: [MENTORS] CCLAs and Software Grants for LLC's? (was Re: Kick starter)

2012-11-14 Thread Jeffry Houser
On 11/14/2012 2:17 PM, Alex Harui wrote: Hi Mentors, My mental model of the rules say that if a corporation owns a copyright, we need a CCLA covering the contributor and DotComIt already has a CCLA filed with Apache. It was filed the same time I filed my Individual CLA. So the only remainin

[MENTORS] CCLAs and Software Grants for LLC's? (was Re: Kick starter)

2012-11-14 Thread Alex Harui
Hi Mentors, My mental model of the rules say that if a corporation owns a copyright, we need a CCLA covering the contributor and donations should have a software grant. But what about LLCs? Especially one-person LLCs? Thanks, -Alex On 11/14/12 11:00 AM, "Jeffry Houser" wrote: > On 11/14/2012

Re: Kick starter

2012-11-14 Thread Alex Harui
On 11/14/12 11:00 AM, "Jeffry Houser" wrote: > On 11/14/2012 1:02 PM, Alex Harui wrote: >> @Jeffry, If someone hooked up the autocomplete logic to a proprietary >> natural language processing library, that would probably be a problem, but I >> doubt that will be the case. > > AutoComplete f

Re: Kick starter

2012-11-14 Thread Jeffry Houser
On 11/14/2012 1:02 PM, Alex Harui wrote: @Jeffry, If someone hooked up the autocomplete logic to a proprietary natural language processing library, that would probably be a problem, but I doubt that will be the case. AutoComplete functionality is currently exposed via a filterFunction propert

Re: Kick starter

2012-11-14 Thread Nicholas Kwiatkowski
Most of the work I have been putting into Apache, I've been paid for. That's why both I and my employer signed the CCLA. This was not work-for-hire, rather it was the expectation that the work was donated to Apache. This is no different than what Jeffery is doing. As far as setting up a standar

Re: Kick starter

2012-11-14 Thread Rick Winscot
If you're concerned about this initiative... please re-read this line in the story. "I am using this Kickstarter as a different approach to fund some of my own Apache Flex development time. This will allow developers with limited free time to give a small amount of money to help Apache Flex."

Re: Kick starter

2012-11-14 Thread Alex Harui
On 11/14/12 9:30 AM, "Omar Gonzalez" wrote: > I've kept quiet about this initiative until now, but, what seems odd to me > is the idea of someone trying to profit off of developing a component, in > private (I'm assuming commits won't be directly into Apache's repo) and > then passing it off a

Re: Kick starter

2012-11-14 Thread Jonathan Campos
On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 11:52 AM, Maxime Cowez wrote: > > true, but then I never intended my implementation to be the de facto > standard and claimed that it would be donated to Apache Flex. > I actually agree with you Maxime. You can see from an autocomplete list [1] that I created a while back

Re: Kick starter

2012-11-14 Thread Maxime Cowez
On 11/14/2012 12:06 PM, Maxime Cowez wrote: > I think it would be great if there were an AutoComplete component built > into Flex, but I do have some reservations with this approach. The biggest > issue from my point of view is that one company/person would decide what > the basic implementation w

Re: Kick starter

2012-11-14 Thread Omar Gonzalez
I've kept quiet about this initiative until now, but, what seems odd to me is the idea of someone trying to profit off of developing a component, in private (I'm assuming commits won't be directly into Apache's repo) and then passing it off as a contribution to OSS. It just seems odd and sheisty. A

Re: Kick starter

2012-11-14 Thread Jeffry Houser
On 11/14/2012 12:06 PM, Maxime Cowez wrote: I think it would be great if there were an AutoComplete component built into Flex, but I do have some reservations with this approach. The biggest issue from my point of view is that one company/person would decide what the basic implementation will b

Re: Kick starter

2012-11-14 Thread Jonathan Campos
On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 10:38 AM, Jeffry Houser wrote: > For backers; I'll be hosting routine sessions for the purpose of showing > progress and soliciting feedback. Just remember that if it doesn't happen on list then it didn't happen. -- Jonathan Campos

Re: Kick starter

2012-11-14 Thread Maxime Cowez
I think it would be great if there were an AutoComplete component built into Flex, but I do have some reservations with this approach. The biggest issue from my point of view is that one company/person would decide what the basic implementation will be, possibly making it harder for us to add the t

Re: Kick starter

2012-11-14 Thread Jeffry Houser
On 11/14/2012 11:43 AM, Alex Harui wrote: Any commit can be vetoed for technical or legal reasons, but otherwise I imagine it would be accepted. I guess that makes sense; I had not considered that. I'd be surprised if either of those reasons would come into play. I assume you did get ok's f

Re: Kick starter

2012-11-14 Thread Alex Harui
On 11/14/12 8:38 AM, "Jeffry Houser" wrote: > > Thanks Mark for the plug. I was just about to post my own announcement. > > On 11/14/2012 10:41 AM, Jonathan Campos wrote: >> It just seemed like some of the wording was off. >> There seemed to be an assumption in the text that whatever was

Re: Kick starter

2012-11-14 Thread Jeffry Houser
Thanks Mark for the plug. I was just about to post my own announcement. On 11/14/2012 10:41 AM, Jonathan Campos wrote: It just seemed like some of the wording was off. There seemed to be an assumption in the text that whatever was developed would be definitely accepted into the Apache Flex pr

Re: Kick starter

2012-11-14 Thread Carol Frampton
On 11/14/12 10 :19AM, "Mark Fuqua" wrote: >I'm guessing several people will YELL AT ME for posting this.including >Jeffry Houser (please forgive the OT post), but there is a Apache Flex I'm not going to YELL but I think you already know this isn't the appropriate place to post what is essentia

Re: Kick starter

2012-11-14 Thread Jonathan Campos
On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 9:19 AM, Mark Fuqua wrote: > It would be nice if this first attempt were successful. I did see the post yesterday and have kept my mouth shut because I did see an issue with it. Not with the idea, if you want to raise money to fund development that is great. It just seem