Re: Can Adobe kill Apache Flex

2012-02-21 Thread Arnoud Bos
Ok sorry, i stand correct and was obviously out of line. Thank you for clearing that up. Next time i'll investigate better before posting nonsense on the list. > I think I've explained this on the list already. The Flash Player has > multiple version numbers, making for a lot of confusion. Th

Re: Can Adobe kill Apache Flex

2012-02-21 Thread Left Right
Re' no change since FP10 in the format - well, that's not precise, the fast memory access opcodes have changed and since recently are unusable. They weren't documented, so that's kind of OK, but that doesn't make it easier for anyone who used them. There were other undocumented tags, something Flex

Re: Can Adobe kill Apache Flex

2012-02-21 Thread Alex Harui
On 2/21/12 2:34 PM, "Arnoud Bos" wrote: > > Somehow i always find this funny, people saying you can build your own flash > player because the swf format is open and we have tamarin. > Where are the official specs of v11-v13 swf format then? Maybe i'm looking in > the wrong places. But AFAIK t

RE: Can Adobe kill Apache Flex

2012-02-21 Thread Michael A. Labriola
>Somehow i always find this funny, people saying you can build your own flash >player because the swf format is open and we have tamarin. >Where are the official specs of v11-v13 swf format then? Maybe i'm looking in >the wrong places. But AFAIK they're not publicized by Adobe. >(at least no one

Re: Can Adobe kill Apache Flex

2012-02-21 Thread Arnoud Bos
On Feb 21, 2012, at 9:49 PM, Michael A. Labriola wrote: >> thanks for the input, let me put it another way. Adobe can change the >> runtime anytime they want. They have not made the runtime code accessible to >> the Apache >Flex project. Its within the realm of possibility that they can >> cha

Re: Can Adobe kill Apache Flex

2012-02-21 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, > ... they can change something in the runtime that breaks for example current > Flex > 4.6 apps. But we have access to the Flex SDK code and can change that to match any changes. It would have to be a fairly major change for us to not be able to fix it. There is a small risk that it would

Re: Can Adobe kill Apache Flex

2012-02-21 Thread Arturo Alvarado
>> Arturo Alvarado > > Yes, and so can Intel decide to make a new processor line that breaks all > >versions of Windows and MacOS. > Yes, but you can delay that affecting you by not buying a new computer. I > still run Windows XP on an old laptop, for example. > But Adobe can automatically u

Re: Can Adobe kill Apache Flex

2012-02-21 Thread Ariel Jakobovits
PM Subject: Re: Can Adobe kill Apache Flex From: "Charles Monteiro" > thanks for the input, let me put it another way. Adobe can change the > runtime anytime they want. They have not made the runtime code accessible > to the Apache Flex project. Its within the realm of poss

Re: Can Adobe kill Apache Flex

2012-02-21 Thread Charles Monteiro
got it, and Tamarin interesting prospect, I think I have the sense of what I need, thanks On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Michael A. Labriola < labri...@digitalprimates.net> wrote: > >thanks for the input, let me put it another way. Adobe can change the > runtime anytime they want. They have not

RE: Can Adobe kill Apache Flex

2012-02-21 Thread Gordon Smith
27;s plausible. - Gordon Smith, Adobe -Original Message- From: charles.monte...@gmail.com [mailto:charles.monte...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Charles Monteiro Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 12:26 PM To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Can Adobe kill Apache Flex thanks for the i

RE: Can Adobe kill Apache Flex

2012-02-21 Thread Michael A. Labriola
>thanks for the input, let me put it another way. Adobe can change the runtime >anytime they want. They have not made the runtime code accessible to the >Apache >Flex project. Its within the realm of possibility that they can change >something in the runtime that breaks for example current Flex

Re: Can Adobe kill Apache Flex

2012-02-21 Thread Charles Monteiro
I am not looking for 100% assurances :) , I've been around too long to fantasize like that. I just know that when I talk to my clients and now propose Flex that I am armed with enough arguments to convince them that its a good move given all the bad press Adobe's move seems to have generated. than

Re: Can Adobe kill Apache Flex

2012-02-21 Thread Arturo Alvarado
From: "Charles Monteiro" > thanks for the input, let me put it another way. Adobe can change the > runtime anytime they want. They have not made the runtime code accessible > to the Apache Flex project. Its within the realm of possibility that they > can change something in the runtime that break

Re: Can Adobe kill Apache Flex

2012-02-21 Thread Charles Monteiro
thanks for the input, let me put it another way. Adobe can change the runtime anytime they want. They have not made the runtime code accessible to the Apache Flex project. Its within the realm of possibility that they can change something in the runtime that breaks for example current Flex 4.6 apps

RE: Can Adobe kill Apache Flex

2012-02-21 Thread Michael A. Labriola
**Sorry all, formatting was messed up on that reply, hoping this one is better.** Hi Charles, Answers integrated below: >So this is what I mean by the subject line. My understanding is that the Flash >and Air runtimes have not been open sourced which poses a vulnerability , so I >think , that

Re: Can Adobe kill Apache Flex

2012-02-21 Thread almansour belleh blanco
There are plan to compile flex to other runtimes than Flash, compiling the code to javascript being one of them. So with the new compiler, flex will survive much longer, and even without that, adobe doesn't have the intention to kill flex for years to come. Some developers of the flex SDK are going

RE: Can Adobe kill Apache Flex

2012-02-21 Thread Michael A. Labriola
Hi Charles, Answers integrated below: So this is what I mean by the subject line. My understanding is that the Flash and Air runtimes have not been open sourced which poses a vulnerability , so I think , that whatever advancements made to the runtimes by Adobe will be incompatible with the Apa