Re: Ant vs. Maven vs. Gradle

2012-02-28 Thread Carol Frampton
sounds like a plan to me Carol On 2/28/12 1 :57PM, "Alex Harui" wrote: > > > >On 2/28/12 7:32 AM, "Greg Reddin" wrote: > >> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 9:28 AM, Omar Gonzalez >> wrote: >>> If some people want to set up Maven builds, do it. No one is going to >>>stop >>> you. >>> >>> If some peop

Re: Ant vs. Maven vs. Gradle

2012-02-28 Thread Greg Reddin
On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 1:48 PM, Om wrote: > "it elevates ant to a level of a "master build" and anyone doing something > else has to figure out how to make it work." > > I think that is the point.  We cannot afford to have more than one 'master' > build mechanism at a time. I totally agree with

Re: Ant vs. Maven vs. Gradle

2012-02-28 Thread Greg Reddin
On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 1:47 PM, Alex Harui wrote: > On 2/28/12 11:37 AM, "Greg Reddin" wrote: > >> That's basically another abstract idea because there is no Maven or >> Gradle build. On the surface I can't really support it because it >> elevates ant to a level of a "master build" and anyone do

Re: Ant vs. Maven vs. Gradle

2012-02-28 Thread Om
"it elevates ant to a level of a "master build" and anyone doing something else has to figure out how to make it work." I think that is the point. We cannot afford to have more than one 'master' build mechanism at a time. People are free to try other ways to build the Flex SDK - no one is trying

Re: Ant vs. Maven vs. Gradle

2012-02-28 Thread Alex Harui
On 2/28/12 11:37 AM, "Greg Reddin" wrote: > On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 12:57 PM, Alex Harui wrote: >> If I need to change the build, I should only have to change the Ant build >> script.  If that breaks the Maven or Gradle build scripts, too bad and folks >> who know those build systems will hav

Re: Ant vs. Maven vs. Gradle

2012-02-28 Thread Greg Reddin
On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 12:57 PM, Alex Harui wrote: > If I need to change the build, I should only have to change the Ant build > script.  If that breaks the Maven or Gradle build scripts, too bad and folks > who know those build systems will have to react. > > Official releases would only include

Re: Ant vs. Maven vs. Gradle

2012-02-28 Thread Alex Harui
On 2/28/12 7:32 AM, "Greg Reddin" wrote: > On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 9:28 AM, Omar Gonzalez > wrote: >> If some people want to set up Maven builds, do it. No one is going to stop >> you. >> >> If some people want to set up a Gradle builds, do it. No one is going to >> stop you. > > +1. Let's

Re: Ant vs. Maven vs. Gradle

2012-02-28 Thread David Francis Buhler
I agree. I think setting up and managing a build process is a monumental undertaking that someone would need to be passionate about the build tool and own the task through to completion (if such a thing exists?). I wouldn't dictate one build-tool versus another, provided someone was willing to mak

Re: Ant vs. Maven vs. Gradle

2012-02-28 Thread Greg Reddin
On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 9:28 AM, Omar Gonzalez wrote: > If some people want to set up Maven builds, do it. No one is going to stop > you. > > If some people want to set up a Gradle builds, do it. No one is going to > stop you. +1. Let's talk real proposals, not abstract ideas. Greg

Re: Ant vs. Maven vs. Gradle

2012-02-28 Thread Omar Gonzalez
This is really a pointless discussion. If some people want to set up Maven builds, do it. No one is going to stop you. If some people want to set up a Gradle builds, do it. No one is going to stop you. Once they're all set up and we actually have something to talk about we can then discuss which

Re: Ant vs. Maven vs. Gradle

2012-02-28 Thread Left Right
Bryant, you believe, and that is why you fail. ;)

Re: Ant vs. Maven vs. Gradle

2012-02-28 Thread Martin Heidegger
On 28/02/2012 19:53, Bryan Hunt wrote: GradleFX is for building Flex projects, not for compiling (mainly Java) source code and outputting a Flex SDK. You are correct, but Gradle [1] is for compiling source code and outputting a flex sdk yours Martin. [1] http://www.gradle.org/

Re: Ant vs. Maven vs. Gradle

2012-02-28 Thread Bryan Hunt
On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 13:42:47 +0200, Left Right wrote: Non-text part: multipart/alternative > > For compiling complex, multi-dependent Java projects, in a reproducable > > fashion, there really only one option, Maven. > > HP Software fired this summer a whole 10 developers team in San Diego for, >

Re: Ant vs. Maven vs. Gradle

2012-02-28 Thread Martin Heidegger
On 28/02/2012 19:53, Bryan Hunt wrote: GradleFX is for building Flex projects, not for compiling (mainly Java) source code and outputting a Flex SDK. You are correct, but Gradle [1] is for compiling source code and outputting a flex sdk yours Martin. [1] http://www.gradle.org/

Re: Ant vs. Maven vs. Gradle

2012-02-28 Thread Left Right
> For compiling complex, multi-dependent Java projects, in a reproducable > fashion, there really only one option, Maven. HP Software fired this summer a whole 10 developers team in San Diego for, you guess what? - consequently failing to build a Maven project of about 300 files in total (less the

Re: Ant vs. Maven vs. Gradle

2012-02-28 Thread Bryan Hunt
On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 01:31:52 -0800, Om wrote: Non-text part: multipart/alternative > It looks like the last time we discussed this issue, we never came up with > a definitive answer. I hope to settle this question here. > > First of all, there are two different issues: > > 1. What do we devs u

Re: Ant vs. Maven vs. Gradle

2012-02-28 Thread Left Right
Setting a Maven repository is something you cannot ask from a user with no Maven experience, but installing Ant or Python is a matter of one line they need to type into console to make it happen. If we expect that people other then those on the mailing list build SDK and submit patches, I think, we