Re: [DISCUSS] taking Apache Flex to the next level

2013-01-04 Thread jude
Examples would be great. One thing we can do now is market what Flex *is* (we have that description in a few places) and that *we are making it better*. That is that we fixing bugs, adding new components, removing dependencies, setting up Mustella tests, cutting new releases, working on the new Fa

Re: [DISCUSS] taking Apache Flex to the next level

2013-01-04 Thread scottrowe
Actually, just explaining/showing the same code base running in Desktop Native Captive Runtime (emphasizing no flash player install necessary), Desktop Browser, iPad, iPhone, Android Tablet, Android phone would be a GREAT way to show the power. It's shocking how many dev's don't know that it's p

Re: [DISCUSS] taking Apache Flex to the next level

2013-01-04 Thread Michael Schmalle
Quoting Alex Harui : On 1/4/13 9:37 AM, "Michael Schmalle" wrote: Anything we say about the future right now is likely to be met with suspicion anyway. I think this is a critical year for Flex. We have to build a track record of releases that show that we are making progress. And here

Re: [DISCUSS] taking Apache Flex to the next level

2013-01-04 Thread Alex Harui
On 1/4/13 9:37 AM, "Michael Schmalle" wrote: >> Anything we say about the future right now is likely to be met with >> suspicion anyway. I think this is a critical year for Flex. We have to >> build a track record of releases that show that we are making progress. > > And here in sits the o

Re: [DISCUSS] taking Apache Flex to the next level

2013-01-04 Thread Michael Schmalle
Quoting Alex Harui : On 1/4/13 8:38 AM, "Erik de Bruin" wrote: Alex, I see where you're coming from, and I don't necessarily disagree on principle, but your statement does not compute: Success is meeting or exceeding expectations, but this project can't have expectations because of the w

Re: [DISCUSS] taking Apache Flex to the next level

2013-01-04 Thread Alex Harui
On 1/4/13 8:38 AM, "Erik de Bruin" wrote: > Alex, I see where you're coming from, and I don't necessarily disagree > on principle, but your statement does not compute: > > Success is meeting or exceeding expectations, but this project can't > have expectations because of the way it's set up..

RE: [DISCUSS] taking Apache Flex to the next level

2013-01-04 Thread Frédéric THOMAS
ig company projects). -Fred -Original Message- From: Erik de Bruin [mailto:e...@ixsoftware.nl] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2013 5:03 PM To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] taking Apache Flex to the next level I'm not talking Roadmap here, Alex, but even Open Source pr

Re: [DISCUSS] taking Apache Flex to the next level

2013-01-04 Thread Erik de Bruin
Alex, I see where you're coming from, and I don't necessarily disagree on principle, but your statement does not compute: Success is meeting or exceeding expectations, but this project can't have expectations because of the way it's set up... Does this mean you don't see any way for this project t

RE: [DISCUSS] taking Apache Flex to the next level

2013-01-04 Thread Guthmann, Scott
> Someone brought up that in order to be able to do effective marketing, we > should first define the project's future... I am a non-coding project contributor & marketing professional. I do not think that the future must be defined to do an effective job marketing. I will give you an example o

Re: [DISCUSS] taking Apache Flex to the next level

2013-01-04 Thread Alex Harui
On 1/4/13 8:02 AM, "Erik de Bruin" wrote: > I'm not talking Roadmap here, Alex, but even Open Source projects done > the Apache way can have a direction and maybe even actual goals. > > One definition might be: "maintaining the project status quo by > preventing any discussion about common go

Re: [DISCUSS] taking Apache Flex to the next level

2013-01-04 Thread Erik de Bruin
I'm not talking Roadmap here, Alex, but even Open Source projects done the Apache way can have a direction and maybe even actual goals. One definition might be: "maintaining the project status quo by preventing any discussion about common goals" Another might be: "bringing the power of the Flex f

Re: [DISCUSS] taking Apache Flex to the next level

2013-01-04 Thread Alex Harui
On 1/4/13 7:10 AM, "Erik de Bruin" wrote: > Hi all, > > A discussion on the PMC list brought up an interesting point, which I > think this list can contribute to: > > Can we give a clear definition of this project's future? IMO, no. But even if we can't, that doesn't mean we can't use bette