Re: Pushing Flex components thorough the GPU

You might want to rename this thread to reflect the change in discussion (from Pushing Flex components thorough the GPU to Accessibility (desktop and mobile) in Flex apps. - Raju

Re: Pushing Flex components thorough the GPU

> On 1/26/12 1:54 PM, "Alex Harui" wrote: > > > > > > >> -Original Message- > > > >> From: David Francis Buhler [mailto:davidbuh...@gmail.com] > > > >> Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 10:48 AM > > > >> To: fle

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nal Message- > > >> From: David Francis Buhler [mailto:davidbuh...@gmail.com] > > >> Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 10:48 AM > > >> To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org > > >> Subject: RE: Pushing Flex components thorough the GPU > > >> > &

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t; > >> -Original Message- > >> From: David Francis Buhler [mailto:davidbuh...@gmail.com] > >> Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 10:48 AM > >> To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org > >> Subject: RE: Pushing Flex components thorough the GPU > >> >

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On 1/26/12 1:54 PM, "Alex Harui" wrote: >> -Original Message- >> From: David Francis Buhler [mailto:davidbuh...@gmail.com] >> Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 10:48 AM >> To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org >> Subject: RE: Pushing Flex componen

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On 26.1.2012. 20:37, Alex Harui wrote: Building a capability into a single framework where you can grab bitmaps from the display list, hide the display list, use the GPU to render a really slick animation, and bring the modified display list right back on top of the final results might be a bet

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vid Francis Buhler [mailto:davidbuh...@gmail.com] > >> Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 11:11 AM > >> To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org > >> Subject: Re: Pushing Flex components thorough the GPU > >> > >> The only information I can find, regar

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I have now seen it. On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 2:25 PM, Alex Harui wrote: > >> -Original Message- >> From: David Francis Buhler [mailto:davidbuh...@gmail.com] >> Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 11:11 AM >> To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org >> Subject: Re:

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> -Original Message- > From: Frank Altomare [mailto:lost...@gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 11:24 AM > To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org > Subject: Re: Pushing Flex components thorough the GPU > > It seems that this thread has turned into a discussion

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+1 count me in On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 12:58 AM, Om wrote: > If anyone is interested in helping me take on this project please let me > > > know! As of right now I'm not sure how much time I can really dedicate to > > this so all help would be greatly appreciated! > > > > > Sign me up. I am not

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If anyone is interested in helping me take on this project please let me > know! As of right now I'm not sure how much time I can really dedicate to > this so all help would be greatly appreciated! > > Sign me up. I am not a committer though :-) Om

RE: Pushing Flex components thorough the GPU

> -Original Message- > From: David Francis Buhler [mailto:davidbuh...@gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 11:11 AM > To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org > Subject: Re: Pushing Flex components thorough the GPU > > The only information I can find, regarding p

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com] > >> Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 10:48 AM > >> To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org > >> Subject: RE: Pushing Flex components thorough the GPU > >> > >> Windows, Jaws, jaws scripts, and IE. :) > >> On Jan 26, 2012 1:29 PM, "Alex Harui"

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tor.apache.org >> Subject: RE: Pushing Flex components thorough the GPU >> >> Windows, Jaws, jaws scripts, and IE. :) >> On Jan 26, 2012 1:29 PM, "Alex Harui" wrote: >> > I'm not the expert, but one of our Adobe PPMC members is (Michael, are you >

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om: David Francis Buhler [mailto:davidbuh...@gmail.com] >> Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 10:48 AM >> To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org >> Subject: RE: Pushing Flex components thorough the GPU >> >> Windows, Jaws, jaws scripts, and IE. :) >> On Jan 26, 2012 1:29

RE: Pushing Flex components thorough the GPU

> -Original Message- > From: David Francis Buhler [mailto:davidbuh...@gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 10:48 AM > To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org > Subject: RE: Pushing Flex components thorough the GPU > > Windows, Jaws, jaws scripts, and IE. :) >

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che.org > > Subject: Re: Pushing Flex components thorough the GPU > > > > Do the Mobile Components support accessibility properties? > > > > The DateSpinner, for example, supports accessibility properties. > > Whether or not the Accessibility properties of AIR on Mo

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> -Original Message- > From: David Francis Buhler [mailto:davidbuh...@gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 9:27 AM > To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org > Subject: Re: Pushing Flex components thorough the GPU > > Do the Mobile Components support accessibility

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On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 9:39 AM, David Francis Buhler wrote: > Almost all accessibility implementations are failures. If a blind > person cannot understand a single word pronounced, this can be a > show-stopper. > > However, most US companies need to support users with disabilities. A > disabilit

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Almost all accessibility implementations are failures. If a blind person cannot understand a single word pronounced, this can be a show-stopper. However, most US companies need to support users with disabilities. A disability can be cognitive, visual, a hearing problem, etc. The lack of an accessi

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Do the Mobile Components support accessibility properties? The DateSpinner, for example, supports accessibility properties. Whether or not the Accessibility properties of AIR on Mobile devices works across all Mobile OS devices is a question I don't know the answer to. On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 12:

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I agree also. I think this will see it's biggest benefits in Mobile where accessibility (may) not be as big of an issue. I'm not sure how accessible the current Flex Mobile components already are or how they interact with accessible handhelds. On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 12:14 PM, Jonathan Campos wrot

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On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Doug McCune wrote: > Also, I'm still not clear on where AIR for mobile stands in regards > to accessibility (ie with Apple's VoiceOver stuff or Android's TalkBack). > Are current AIR for mobile apps accessible to screen readers? > I agree Doug. I don't see this

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> > So for now using Stage3D is not viable option IMHO as an enterprise > application framework like flex cannot do without an accessibility > implementation. > So it's probably better to seek optimizations for flex using the > displaylist api. Unless some developers don't care about accessibilit

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On 24-01-2012, at 09:48, Alex Harui wrote: > > > > On 1/23/12 7:36 PM, "Frank Altomare" wrote: > >> Hi Everyone, >> >> Has anyone looked into the feasibility of pushing some of the Flex >> components through a GPU framework such as Starling? Once Stage3D comes out >> for mobile this would

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It appears as though a Mobile Form Factor takes into consideration screen-coordinates for controls. The remaining properties are common accessibility approaches on a Desktop/Browser application. "Hints" is similar to the Flex Frameworks's "accessibility.description". Apple's VoiceOver documentati

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I'm really interested in how this carries over to mobile, does anyone have some information on the state of accessibility on mobile devices? This seems like an interesting topic in it's own right. I really think GPU UI components would be best utilized on mobile. This feature would also really mak

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Apple has it's own implementation of accessibility. http://developer.apple.com/technologies/ios/accessibility.html But it doesn't do much with AIR apps. On 1/24/12 3:14 PM, Doug McCune wrote: While on the topic of accessibility, does anyone know how this transfers over to a mobile environment?

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> > While on the topic of accessibility, does anyone know how this transfers > over to a mobile environment? > Don't think this ever got addressed. For mobile is this stuff even an issue? I have no idea how this works. Are there screen readers that read the UI elements of an iOS app?

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t; > > alone? > > > > > > -Original Message- From: Roland Zwaga > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 3:07 PM > > > To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org > > > Subject: Re: Pushing Flex components thorough the GPU > > > > > > > >

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inding a good alternative to the TLF > > components (a big hit for Spark based renderers), in future maybe adding > > the Worker classes into Flex etc... might be enough to leave the stage3D > > alone? > > > > -Original Message- From: Roland Zwaga > > Sent:

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Hi Roland, The inability to scroll through a list would not always be a show-stopper for an accessible user. The Section 508 Requirements state (and I'm paraphrasing here): -users with disabilities need to be able to access the same information (contextually) as a sighted user. Disabilities inc

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> > On 1/24/12 8:02 AM, "Arnoud Bos" wrote: > >> So if Alex could ask Thibault if he can fix accessibility stuff for >> Stage3D (and then Starling) we're all set! ;-) > Believe me, folks are asking... Haha, It was meant in a funny way as you're the most prominent adobe employee here. But I k

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On 1/24/12 8:02 AM, "Arnoud Bos" wrote: > So if Alex could ask Thibault if he can fix accessibility stuff for > Stage3D (and then Starling) we're all set! ;-) Believe me, folks are asking... -- Alex Harui Flex SDK Team Adobe Systems, Inc. http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui

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On Jan 24, 2012, at 5:38 PM, Roland Zwaga wrote: > On 24 January 2012 17:29, David Buhler wrote: > >> I built a Flex website for the Federal government that was fully accessible >> (PCIP.gov). I did a demo for Adobe of the Accessibility capabilities. I'm >> glad to help with answering any acc

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waga > Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 5:16 PM > > To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org > Subject: Re: Pushing Flex components thorough the GPU > > >> Would be good to know exactly why Flex underperforms in areas such as item >> renderers right now, >> so much goes on when for exa

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Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 5:16 PM To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Pushing Flex components thorough the GPU Would be good to know exactly why Flex underperforms in areas such as item renderers right now, so much goes on when for example a grid is created and shown, that it is

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On 24 January 2012 17:29, David Buhler wrote: > I built a Flex website for the Federal government that was fully accessible > (PCIP.gov). I did a demo for Adobe of the Accessibility capabilities. I'm > glad to help with answering any accessibility questions. > Hey David, thanks for chiming in :

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e3D > > alone? > > > > -Original Message- From: Roland Zwaga > > Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 3:07 PM > > To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org > > Subject: Re: Pushing Flex components thorough the GPU > > > > > >> Thanks Roland, that m

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; -Original Message- From: Roland Zwaga > Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 3:07 PM > To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org > Subject: Re: Pushing Flex components thorough the GPU > > >> Thanks Roland, that makes sense. >> If I remember correctly Stage3D content is ren

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> > Would be good to know exactly why Flex underperforms in areas such as item > renderers right now, > so much goes on when for example a grid is created and shown, that it is > hard to track down. > > i.e. having tandem of the Flex layout framework plus Starling would still > be slow, especially

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: Roland Zwaga Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 3:07 PM To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Pushing Flex components thorough the GPU Thanks Roland, that makes sense. If I remember correctly Stage3D content is rendered behind the normal DisplayList. This does allow you to mix Stage3D

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; >> -Original Message- From: Roland Zwaga >> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 4:23 PM >> To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org ; Andras Csizmadia >> Subject: Re: Pushing Flex components thorough the GPU >> >> >> >>> Another performance optimizat

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> image processing libs are benefitting from alchemy. > Anyway my hope is that it will be also open-sourced one time. > > > -Original Message- From: Roland Zwaga > Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 4:23 PM > To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org ; Andras Csizmadia > Subj

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x-dev@incubator.apache.org ; Andras Csizmadia Subject: Re: Pushing Flex components thorough the GPU Another performance optimization tip would be Alchemy integration (Memory operations). But i'm not sure the status of the product.. http://ncannasse.fr/blog/**adobe_make_some_alchemy<http://ncan

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> > Another performance optimization tip would be Alchemy integration (Memory > operations). > But i'm not sure the status of the product.. > http://ncannasse.fr/blog/**adobe_make_some_alchemy > "Starting with Flash Player 11.2 and AIR 3.2, content

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t: Pushing Flex components thorough the GPU Hi Everyone, Has anyone looked into the feasibility of pushing some of the Flex components through a GPU framework such as Starling? Once Stage3D comes out for mobile this would bring some huge improvements to controls like Lists. Imagine all the fun we

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Sounds great, I'm going to begin exploring the idea of a POC app. If anyone else is interested feel free to join in. On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 9:07 AM, Roland Zwaga wrote: > > > > Thanks Roland, that makes sense. > > If I remember correctly Stage3D content is rendered behind the normal > > DisplayL

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> > Thanks Roland, that makes sense. > If I remember correctly Stage3D content is rendered behind the normal > DisplayList. This does allow you to mix Stage3D content with standard > components. > I guess when taking this into account it seems like item renderers would > not be the way to go. > > W

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It's great idea but I think it would require creating framework that imitates display list functionality, something like Starling but for UI. W dniu 2012-01-24 14:33, Roland Zwaga pisze: Anyway, this does seem possible though I assume it would be an undertaking. Does anyone know if the structu

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Thanks Roland, that makes sense. If I remember correctly Stage3D content is rendered behind the normal DisplayList. This does allow you to mix Stage3D content with standard components. I guess when taking this into account it seems like item renderers would not be the way to go. What about narrowi

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> > Anyway, this does seem possible though I assume it would be an undertaking. > > Does anyone know if the structure of the DataGroup would prevent the use of > Stage3D item renderers? If not I think this may be the way to go, at least > initially. > >From what I understand Stage3D is rendert beh

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>Oh yeah > >Sounds like the good old days when Flash was years ahead of HTML > >Wait a minute This is a great point. Something like this could lead to a huge popularity boost for Flex, especially in the mobile space. Imagine a silky smooth scrolling list full of rotatable 3D collada files. Hi Alex

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On 1/23/12 7:36 PM, "Frank Altomare" wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > Has anyone looked into the feasibility of pushing some of the Flex > components through a GPU framework such as Starling? Once Stage3D comes out > for mobile this would bring some huge improvements to controls like Lists. > Imagin

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I love this idea. Imagine GPU powered enterprise apps... On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 12:17 PM, Keith Sutton wrote: > Oh yeah > > Sounds like the good old days when Flash was years ahead of HTML > > Wait a minute > > > On 1/23/2012 7:36 PM, Frank Altomare wrote: > >> Hi Everyone, >> >> Has anyone loo

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Oh yeah Sounds like the good old days when Flash was years ahead of HTML Wait a minute On 1/23/2012 7:36 PM, Frank Altomare wrote: Hi Everyone, Has anyone looked into the feasibility of pushing some of the Flex components through a GPU framework such as Starling? Once Stage3D comes out for mo

Pushing Flex components thorough the GPU

Hi Everyone, Has anyone looked into the feasibility of pushing some of the Flex components through a GPU framework such as Starling? Once Stage3D comes out for mobile this would bring some huge improvements to controls like Lists. Imagine all the fun we could have with GPU powred list item rendere