Re: Design View AIR App (Was: Re: Apache Flex GUI Designer tools)

Ok thanks ALex. So its not as simple as it seemed at first place about proprietary code. It make sens now. I agree that starting from scratch is the way to go further then. Le 05/10/2012 18:24, Alex Harui a écrit : On 10/5/12 6:47 AM, "sébastien Paturel" wrote: Is it definitive that Adobe

Re: Design View AIR App (Was: Re: Apache Flex GUI Designer tools)

On 10/5/12 6:47 AM, "sébastien Paturel" wrote: > Is it definitive that Adobe will not donate the DV code to Apache? Never say Never. But at this point, trying to change minds at Adobe is not a priority for me, because I think the code isn't the right design. I would rather start over. > I t

Re: Design View AIR App (Was: Re: Apache Flex GUI Designer tools)

Is it definitive that Adobe will not donate the DV code to Apache? I thought there were no legal issues to do it, as it was a full air app? (not like Catalyst) Maybe we could start to try to obtain it before starting something else from scratch. At least it worse to get a deep look at how it was

Re: Design View AIR App (Was: Re: Apache Flex GUI Designer tools)

I've embedded a swf file in an Eclipse plugin and enabled back and forth communication using just 'fscommand'. It was a while ago and was quite easy to do this - using Flash MX 2004. I have no doubts about being able to do this using today's Flash Player runtime. ExternalInterface should work f

Re: Design View AIR App (Was: Re: Apache Flex GUI Designer tools)

In closing, if I knew ActionScript had a future and I was rich and had a bunch of geek friends that I played music with, I would start an opensource IDE using the Eclipse platform and the new Falcon compiler and start all over taking a minimalistic approach. No kitchen sink, just absolutely

Re: Design View AIR App (Was: Re: Apache Flex GUI Designer tools)

This is like playing with a video game, it looks fun but really has no bearing on the discussion other than having a realization that we could use a socket for communication. > > And for that matter, the client code (Eclipse Java) is buried in FDT, I > don't even think they give access to that, ju

Re: Design View AIR App (Was: Re: Apache Flex GUI Designer tools)

Quoting Roland Zwaga : - Eclipse Parses AS plugin source code - FlashPlayer loads parsed XML AST Tree - FlashPlayer interprets the AST using a DOM - FlashPlayer then inspects the DOM for mapped implementations of the Eclipse Plugin API - FlashPlayer then sends commands back to Eclipse's Java AP

Re: Design View AIR App (Was: Re: Apache Flex GUI Designer tools)

> > - Eclipse Parses AS plugin source code > - FlashPlayer loads parsed XML AST Tree > - FlashPlayer interprets the AST using a DOM > - FlashPlayer then inspects the DOM for mapped implementations of the > Eclipse Plugin API > - FlashPlayer then sends commands back to Eclipse's Java API > - Eclipse

Re: Design View AIR App (Was: Re: Apache Flex GUI Designer tools)

Quoting Roland Zwaga : Well Roland, I looked at the code again. I need to take it down a notch, there are about 3 different things I am looking at. 1. Direct communication from an IDE to Browser over a socket. 2. How we could use existing code, IE SWFBridge. 3. If writing a plugin using thi

Re: Design View AIR App (Was: Re: Apache Flex GUI Designer tools)

> > >> Well Roland, I looked at the code again. I need to take it down a notch, > there are about 3 different things I am looking at. > > 1. Direct communication from an IDE to Browser over a socket. > 2. How we could use existing code, IE SWFBridge. > 3. If writing a plugin using this framework is

Re: Design View AIR App (Was: Re: Apache Flex GUI Designer tools)

Quoting Roland Zwaga : Ok, I looked at this code, it looks like they use a socket bridge from Eclipse to the browser to send actions/commands/messages. The developer has created an AST API in ActionScript that looks like it decorates metadata XML. I'm not sure if it's metadata or actually AST

Re: Design View AIR App (Was: Re: Apache Flex GUI Designer tools)

Hey guys, > >> are you aware of the SWFBridge in the FDT IDE? >> >> http://fdt.powerflasher.com/**swf-bridge/ >> >> They basically allow you to write plugins for FDT in Actionscript, maybe >> we >> can get >> some inspiration from these guys ;) >> >> cheers

Re: Design View AIR App (Was: Re: Apache Flex GUI Designer tools)

Quoting Roland Zwaga : > I would put time investigating this if I knew where to start looking. > Or if Adobe could give some pointers, what ever they figured it out so > we should be able to as well. > I didn't think it was AIR in FB DV. There is a special "authoring" player that Flash Pro uses

Re: Apache Flex GUI Designer tools

Yes, 6 years is a lot of time... I couldn't remember the name neither. What I knew was that John Grden was behind it which was helpful. Cheers! On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 11:17 AM, Michael Schmalle wrote: > Quoting Joan Llenas Masó : > > There's an old project called FLEXible that John Grden star

Re: Apache Flex GUI Designer tools

Quoting Joan Llenas Masó : There's an old project called FLEXible that John Grden started some years ago. - http://rockonflash.wordpress.com/2006/11/02/flexible-released/ - http://osflash.org/flexible - http://flexible.riaforge.org/ Maybe that could would be a good starting point. It's Flex2 th

Re: Apache Flex GUI Designer tools

solution to this. Now lets add the fact we have to > >incorporate the FlashPlayer in DV, you want dnd, haha that takes the > >difficulty of coding 5 levels higher. > > > >As a developer, I'm sure a lot are not speaking up on this subject > >because our hands are tie

Re: Design View AIR App (Was: Re: Apache Flex GUI Designer tools)

>> The current design view in Flash Builder is implemented as an AIR app. > >> Look inside: \Adobe\Adobe Flash Builder > >> 4.6\eclipse\plugins\com.adobe.flexbuilder.designview_4.6.0.328916 > >> > >> I have no idea how it is integrated into Eclipse as a view though. My > best > >> bet is that the

Re: Design View AIR App (Was: Re: Apache Flex GUI Designer tools)

On 10/2/12 2:51 PM, "Michael Schmalle" wrote: >> The current design view in Flash Builder is implemented as an AIR app. >> Look inside: \Adobe\Adobe Flash Builder >> 4.6\eclipse\plugins\com.adobe.flexbuilder.designview_4.6.0.328916 >> >> I have no idea how it is integrated into Eclipse as a

Re: Design View AIR App (Was: Re: Apache Flex GUI Designer tools)

Quoting sumit arora : Hi, I have worked on designing tools using flex and have fairly good understanding of architecture reqd. Please tell me if can help. Regards, Sumit Arora What type of tools are you talking about? Integration into IDEs? Or Flex Applications? Mike -- Michael Schmall

Re: Design View AIR App (Was: Re: Apache Flex GUI Designer tools)

Hi, I have worked on designing tools using flex and have fairly good understanding of architecture reqd. Please tell me if can help. Regards, Sumit Arora On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 3:56 PM, Om wrote: > I am very interested in building the design view as an AIR app. Lets talk > design/architecture

Re: Design View AIR App (Was: Re: Apache Flex GUI Designer tools)

Quoting Om : 2. Design area: This would be a container where we will draw the objects I actually wrote a RuledCanvas component 3 years ago that exactly mimicked fireworks interface with the sliding rulers, drag and drop components onto the "floating canvas". I spent about 2 years on it.

Re: Design View AIR App (Was: Re: Apache Flex GUI Designer tools)

On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 1:44 PM, Michael Schmalle wrote: > Quoting Om : > > I am very interested in building the design view as an AIR app. Lets talk >> design/architecture now. >> >> Here is a brain-dead architecture design of the AIR app, that lets the >> user >> interactively drag and drop com

Re: Design View AIR App (Was: Re: Apache Flex GUI Designer tools)

On 10/2/12 1:59 PM, "Om" wrote: >>> 3. Interactive layer: Any object or group of objects in the design area >>> can be selected, resized, rotated, constrained. >> Some alternatives are that each component provides its own interaction and >> tries to utilize a library of interaction widgets

Re: Design View AIR App (Was: Re: Apache Flex GUI Designer tools)

On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 1:13 PM, Alex Harui wrote: > > > > On 10/2/12 12:56 PM, "Om" wrote: > > > I am very interested in building the design view as an AIR app. Lets > talk > > design/architecture now. > > > > Here is a brain-dead architecture design of the AIR app, that lets the > user > > int

Re: Design View AIR App (Was: Re: Apache Flex GUI Designer tools)

Quoting Om : I am very interested in building the design view as an AIR app. Lets talk design/architecture now. Here is a brain-dead architecture design of the AIR app, that lets the user interactively drag and drop components, apply layouts, change labels/titles etc. Conceptually, this is si

Re: Apache Flex GUI Designer tools

wing makes the design workflow much faster because I can >>> see how the project is going to look. I rarely rely on design view to >>>make >>> actual changes to my projects because it is slow and unreliable. >>> >>> Would it be possible to develop some so

Re: Design View AIR App (Was: Re: Apache Flex GUI Designer tools)

On 10/2/12 12:56 PM, "Om" wrote: > I am very interested in building the design view as an AIR app. Lets talk > design/architecture now. > > Here is a brain-dead architecture design of the AIR app, that lets the user > interactively drag and drop components, apply layouts, change labels/title

Design View AIR App (Was: Re: Apache Flex GUI Designer tools)

I am very interested in building the design view as an AIR app. Lets talk design/architecture now. Here is a brain-dead architecture design of the AIR app, that lets the user interactively drag and drop components, apply layouts, change labels/titles etc. Conceptually, this is simple enough. Th

Re: Apache Flex GUI Designer tools

Quoting Alex Harui : You are welcome to open a JIRA ticket for Apache Flex and try to see if you can define requirements in priority order. Remember that this is a volunteer organization so you can't just say "replicate DV". What are the most important aspects of DV? Is one of them IDE integ

Re: Apache Flex GUI Designer tools

...@gmail.com [mailto:charles.monte...@gmail.com] On Behalf > Of Charles Monteiro > Sent: 02 October 2012 18:11 > To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org; apache-f...@bentbit.com > Subject: Re: Apache Flex GUI Designer tools > > If that's all you need I would again check out Intellij IDEA F

RE: Apache Flex GUI Designer tools

s.monte...@gmail.com [mailto:charles.monte...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Charles Monteiro Sent: 02 October 2012 18:11 To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org; apache-f...@bentbit.com Subject: Re: Apache Flex GUI Designer tools If that's all you need I would again check out Intellij IDEA Flash design vi

RE: Apache Flex GUI Designer tools

Nigel -Original Message- From: charles.monte...@gmail.com [mailto:charles.monte...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Charles Monteiro Sent: 02 October 2012 18:11 To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org; apache-f...@bentbit.com Subject: Re: Apache Flex GUI Designer tools If that's all you need I would

Re: Apache Flex GUI Designer tools

Original Message- > From: Stakesoft [mailto:m...@stakesoft.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 10:32 AM > To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org > Subject: RE: Apache Flex GUI Designer tools > > Technical issues aside I suspect there a good few of us that rely on > design view

RE: Apache Flex GUI Designer tools

r 02, 2012 10:32 AM To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: RE: Apache Flex GUI Designer tools Technical issues aside I suspect there a good few of us that rely on design views (and we are not all noobs). Many are supporting not having a DV as they don't use it and that's fine for

RE: Apache Flex GUI Designer tools

out unusable for me. Nigel -Original Message- From: Alex Harui [mailto:aha...@adobe.com] Sent: 02 October 2012 17:12 To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Apache Flex GUI Designer tools On 10/2/12 8:55 AM, "Sebastian Mohr" wrote: > > @Adobe ... what's wron

Re: Apache Flex GUI Designer tools

This whole conversation is really making want to check out what Google is doing in the UI designer plugin (source code). Note; This is another reason why this probably won't happen, more than one IDE, people have love/hate relationships with them all. So who do you make happy? I'm sure th

RE: Apache Flex GUI Designer tools

I dream of Flex running on a JVM, is possible? That would be really cool ... > From: aha...@adobe.com > To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org > Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2012 09:24:59 -0700 > Subject: Re: Apache Flex GUI Designer tools > > > > > On 10/2/12 9:21 AM, "Sebas

Re: Apache Flex GUI Designer tools

On 10/2/12 9:21 AM, "Sebastian Mohr" wrote: > Forgot to mention those links about Adobe Brackets [1] [2]. > So, when seeing this, it seems to be very easy that Adobe > loves to collaborate with the HTML5 folks. What about an > open GUI designer tool for Apache Flex? > Yes, that is a project t

Re: Apache Flex GUI Designer tools

Quoting Charles Monteiro : Now if we get some revolution going with AS -> JS compiling that is not using the Flash API, then it's time to really start thinking about a design inspector. ;-)Now if we get some revolution going with AS -> JS compiling that is not using the Flash API, then it's tim

Re: Apache Flex GUI Designer tools

g GUI > designer tools for Apache Flex? Is that really something > that is not worth investing into? You already created those > tools. So, why not sharing some of your expertise with the > community, and, not locking your code in the archives of > Adobe history? > &

Re: Apache Flex GUI Designer tools

On 10/2/12 8:55 AM, "Sebastian Mohr" wrote: > > @Adobe ... what's wrong with continuing building GUI > designer tools for Apache Flex? Is that really something > that is not worth investing into? You already created those > tools. So, why not sharing some of your expertise with the > communi

Re: Apache Flex GUI Designer tools

signer tools for Apache Flex? Is that really something that is not worth investing into? You already created those tools. So, why not sharing some of your expertise with the community, and, not locking your code in the archives of Adobe history? I also doubt, that building such Apache Flex GUI

Re: Apache Flex GUI Designer tools

> > Now if we get some revolution going with AS -> JS compiling that is not > using the Flash API, then it's time to really start thinking about a design > inspector. ;-)Now if we get some revolution going with AS -> JS compiling > that is not using the Flash API, then it's time to really start thi

Re: Apache Flex GUI Designer tools

"Peter Ent" To: "flex-dev@incubator.apache.org" Subject: Apache Flex GUI Designer tools Date: Tue, Oct 2, 2012 9:47 am This is a good opportunity for [someone in] the Apache Flex community to develop such a tool. Using Apache Flex, an AIR app would be able to present UI com

Re: Apache Flex GUI Designer tools

I was going to say the exact same thing. I think why people have not said this is because a lot of developers are used to a design view being located "inside" their IDE as with Design View. This is definitely not that hard to do, back in the Flex 2 days I experimented in creating such too

Re: Apache Flex GUI Designer tools

This is a good opportunity for [someone in] the Apache Flex community to develop such a tool. Using Apache Flex, an AIR app would be able to present UI components rendered correctly, in real-time, and be able to read and write local files. If Adobe does not contribute UI tools, the community can ma

Re: Apache Flex GUI Designer tools

Quoting Sebastian Mohr : Nope ... I am seeing Flash Catalyst as being the representation for Adobe's work on the Spark-Component model, FXG and Flash Catalyst (formerly codenamed Thermo) with the Designer-Developer workflow started in 2007 [1]. For whatever reasons it took ages to finish it.

RE: Apache Flex GUI Designer tools

Anything visual to be able to design the UI is better than none, I'll sign anything to support the return of a DV Nigel -Original Message- From: Sebastian Mohr [mailto:masul...@gmail.com] Sent: 02 October 2012 11:46 To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Apache Fle

Re: Apache Flex GUI Designer tools

Nope ... I am seeing Flash Catalyst as being the representation for Adobe's work on the Spark-Component model, FXG and Flash Catalyst (formerly codenamed Thermo) with the Designer-Developer workflow started in 2007 [1]. For whatever reasons it took ages to finish it. If you would want to create

Re: Apache Flex GUI Designer tools

Don't have a petition for flash builder 4.x? Enviado via iPhone Em 02/10/2012, às 06:01, "Sebastian Mohr" escreveu: > Dear all, > > Now, that we have seen the brave, new world of HTML5 designer tools formally > announced by Adobe [1] [2], I wonder: What is the current state of designer > too

Apache Flex GUI Designer tools

Dear all, Now, that we have seen the brave, new world of HTML5 designer tools formally announced by Adobe [1] [2], I wonder: What is the current state of designer tools for Apache Flex? I remember that there had been discussions about donating or selling those past designer tools like Flash Ca